Offseason 2025 Thread

[fatlever]

Tony Parker 2.0

add horford to my 5x5 grid

[Hornet Mania]

I think he brings more leadership than playing ability, but I'd rather have him than Plumlee.

[GiggitySmalls]

Id be all the way in on giving Dallas back their 1st and green or pat for gafford. I think we would definitely be a play in team if healthy if we got him. Ceiling would be a 6 seed.

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[Snidely FC]

Feature on two-ways DrewP and Reeves illuminates that Jeff P has a type, and 3 pt % is the gateway stat
https://www.nba.com/hornets/news/new-two-way-signees-peterson-reeves-traverse-similar-path-to-charlotte?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR7m0wCkyAeo9hEoXWr62UUNtb2fmBkbq7P2MCiu32jl11QvczTyyU0wxzcYiw_aem_MmPmaXiTGw_jxQisnVnoUQ

[Hornet Mania]

Feature on two-ways DrewP or Reeves illuminates that Jeff P has a type, and 3 pt % is the gateway stat
https://www.nba.com/hornets/news/new-two-way-signees-peterson-reeves-traverse-similar-path-to-charlotte?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR7m0wCkyAeo9hEoXWr62UUNtb2fmBkbq7P2MCiu32jl11QvczTyyU0wxzcYiw_aem_MmPmaXiTGw_jxQisnVnoUQ

Definitely agree with that. A lot of us suspected that was his issue with Mark, aside from injury concerns and defense. JP wanted a five-out big fella not a monster lob threat.

[MasterIchiro]

Id be all the way in on giving Dallas back their 1st and green or pat for gafford. I think we would definitely be a play in team if healthy if we got him. Ceiling would be a 6 seed.

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We have our boot on their neck with that pick. I don't want to release it for an average starting center. Top-2 protected picks should only go for marquee players. As much as I want to erase Josh Green from existence, I don't think Gafford is worth it. What other team is trading a first for Gafford? 18 million for a 20 MPG energy big. Paying him a large budget line to play the same role as Moussa. I would rather consolidate, free a roster spot, sign Achiuwa, and keep the 1st round pick.

[MasterIchiro]

"The New York Knicks have signaled that they won't bring Precious Achiuwa back after signing Guerschon Yabusele as a free-agent frontcourt talent this NBA offseason. Achiuwa, who has averaged 7.1 points and 6.3 rebounds per game over the last two seasons with the Knicks, can be a serviceable big man on many teams' benches," Clutch Points insider Brett Siegel wrote.

The author predicts Achiuwa (26) will sign with his original team and play behind Bam (and Ware). He recently purchased a condo in (surprise) South Beach. Miami has an open roster spot and room to sign him under the first apron.

Offer him a starting gig. But something tells me if we pursued him already, we didn't gain traction on him (and possibly others), forcing us to Plumlee.

How do you compete when a free agent would rather ride pine with a rival than start for you?

Charlotte should install a beach. Or just sell free agents on Myrtle. Who cares if it smells like piss?

Anyways, my favorite Carolina beach is Emerald Isle. Don't @ me bro.

[Walt Cronkite]

Atlantic seems quite popular with many people I know. Wrightsville has always been a personal favorite. Maybe we can sell some players on the intracostal waterway spots. Little River? Sell them on Calabash as the “Seafood Capital of the World”?

[MasterIchiro]

The tragedy of the small market budget is the low margin of error. Have to hit in the draft and trades because you end up with castaways like Plumlee. The goal of the small market team focuses on draft and development.

With teams hoarding centers and charging premiums for them in trades, Hornets find themselves limited by the position despite potential outside the position.

And it does feel like Jeff Peterson is the type of active GM who will turn over every rock.

Plumlee may be evidence the GM already conducted and concluded his exploratory search, and came up empty.

The anonymous coach cited Grant Williams as an asset for the center position, where the lineup goes small-ball. The thing is Grant doesn't hit the floor until January and when he finally does, he will be coming off an ACL so he will not be playing at 100% this entire season.

Bad omen.

Means they punted the position for a whole **** year, but not without trying.

[MasterIchiro]

Compare:

5 years 123 million allocated to Poeltl in Toronto.

Moussa, Plumlee, Kalkbrenner earn collectively ~7 million dollars.

That's a massive allocation gap between two lottery teams, both short and longterm.

I wouldn't want to be saddled with Poeltl (especially when my feature player Barnes does not space, and my roster lacks shooters), but that gulf is too big, and we need to do more to close it.

[HornetJail]

Toronto values some of their own players way too highly, and have kept doubling down on Poeltl, who keeps getting owned by Nick Richards every time they meet, dating back to Poeltl's Spurs days.

I just don't think Poeltl is a good starting center. An okay one, sure. But not the answer to our frontcourt issues and certainly not at $25M a year (!!!)

[MasterIchiro]

Toronto values some of their own players way too highly, and have kept doubling down on Poeltl, who keeps getting owned by Nick Richards every time they meet, dating back to Poeltl's Spurs days.

I just don't think Poeltl is a good starting center. An okay one, sure. But not the answer to our frontcourt issues and certainly not at $25M a year (!!!)

I agree with this.

My point is 7 million for C1, C2, and C3 is insulting given a lottery team invested 123 million in C1 alone. Hornets should close the gap some if they want to be more competitive with even lottery teams.

Nets, another lottery team, have 69 million in Claxton + 12 in Sharpe. So this is not about Poeltl.

Hornets fell far behind funding the center position compared to other EC teams. The longer they leave the gap, the more fans should pressure them to close it some.

[fatlever]

just pay moose 20 mil per year. gap closed. problem solved.

[fatlever]

just pay moose 20 mil per year. gap closed. problem solved.

[MasterIchiro]

just pay moose 20 mil per year. gap closed. problem solved.

What's stopping the Raptors doubling Poeltl's salary to 50 million per year?

Bet you never thought of that, so you're not so clever.

[fatlever]

just pay moose 20 mil per year. gap closed. problem solved.

What's stopping the Raptors doubling Poeltl's salary to 50 million per year?

Bet you never thought of that, so you're not so clever.

then i'm extending plumlord for................... ONE BILLION DOLLARS

[yosemiteben]

Compare:

5 years 123 million allocated to Poeltl in Toronto.

Moussa, Plumlee, Kalkbrenner earn collectively ~7 million dollars.

That's a massive allocation gap between two lottery teams, both short and longterm.

I wouldn't want to be saddled with Poeltl (especially when my feature player Barnes does not space, and my roster lacks shooters), but that gulf is too big, and we need to do more to close it.

I don't think anything we do should be done with reference to a different team that is overspending. Like you already pointed out, you wouldn't want Poeltl on that contract, so the gulf is artificially inflated.

We all know we aren't spending much on C and we need to upgrade, so you're not going to find anyone that disagrees with that.

[MasterIchiro]

Compare:

5 years 123 million allocated to Poeltl in Toronto.

Moussa, Plumlee, Kalkbrenner earn collectively ~7 million dollars.

That's a massive allocation gap between two lottery teams, both short and longterm.

I wouldn't want to be saddled with Poeltl (especially when my feature player Barnes does not space, and my roster lacks shooters), but that gulf is too big, and we need to do more to close it.

I don't think anything we do should be done with reference to a different team that is overspending. Like you already pointed out, you wouldn't want Poeltl on that contract, so the gulf is artificially inflated.

We all know we aren't spending much on C and we need to upgrade, so you're not going to find anyone that disagrees with that.

Am I looking to find anyone who disagrees with an obviously gross spending gap or am I looking for fans to maybe be more outspoken about it?

[yosemiteben]

Compare:

5 years 123 million allocated to Poeltl in Toronto.

Moussa, Plumlee, Kalkbrenner earn collectively ~7 million dollars.

That's a massive allocation gap between two lottery teams, both short and longterm.

I wouldn't want to be saddled with Poeltl (especially when my feature player Barnes does not space, and my roster lacks shooters), but that gulf is too big, and we need to do more to close it.

I don't think anything we do should be done with reference to a different team that is overspending. Like you already pointed out, you wouldn't want Poeltl on that contract, so the gulf is artificially inflated.

We all know we aren't spending much on C and we need to upgrade, so you're not going to find anyone that disagrees with that.

Am I looking to find anyone who disagrees with an obviously gross spending gap or am I looking for fans to maybe be more outspoken about it?

I don't know, why are you asking me?

If the latter, literally everyone on this board knows we have a hole at center and I don't see any need to be more outspoken about it.

[fatlever]

if the hornets had signed... lets say, achiuwa, for 2/20, instead of plumlee. would that change your opinion?