The best guard Daniel Gafford could return?

[MasterIchiro]

Yeah, Utah openly shopped Sexton for a long time… While I do think it was part of the draft night deal, it doesn’t make Sexton more valuable than he is, if he was - he probably would’ve been traded in last 12 months..

But realistically, Dallas has DLO as the bandaid until Kyrie is back. And that’s not good.. but it’s still there. The motivation for Sexton died down due to Dallas’ bad decisions. The need is lessened.

Still would do Gaff/Sexton, but think with DLO on the roster - the next guard target should be someone that will play better Witnie than Sexton would.

This is the right perspective.

The Mavs ended their search for backcourt help with DLo and I guess(?) didn't attempt to use Gafford to get Sexton as surely Ainge would've jumped at that value since Gafford > Nurkic.

Hornets still need a center, which indicates Sexton was a target because they gave up a center for him.

Multiple additions addressed the priority on playmaking: Sexton, Kon, McNeeley, Dinwiddie, Tre Mann, even Plumlee.

We are adding playmaking here, not subtracting it.

So Dallas moved on, settled on DLo.

I'd want a first round pick for Sexton because I believe he's that important to the Hornets offense. I'm not saying he's worth that and I don't care if fans get their titties in a twist over it.

I'm just not listening on him after suffering through a season where Micic was used as a secondary playmaker alongside LaMelo, and Josh Green was asked to handle the ball. Countless other terrible players not qualified to run offense.

Sexton put up .593 TS. For a playmaking guard, can't ask much more than that. And he's still just 26.

I’ll keep going back to if Sexton was worth a lot, Utah would’ve traded him last year.. Not saying anything about the draft night traded just on Sexton’s actual value with things we know.

He didn’t gain value from the deadline to the draft.

I don’t even recall/know if Dallas actually called for Sexton before Utah traded him. The fan base was just really desperate for playmaking after watching Naji and Brandon Williams…

We posted Simons, Sexton, Coby,..could extend that list to include Reaves, RJ, Ayo, Vassell, Keyonte George… we tried anything..

just about all of the one-way guards some better than others obviously. Because they typically do not have a lot of value and Dallas is asset poor so we went for the bargain bins.

Dallas settled with DLo for free versus paying for one of them. Better than some, likely worse than most.

I think the deal between these two teams is Gafford for the worst of Mem/Orlando first, nothing to do with Sexton.

Like I said, a guard with playmaking skills posting TS% ~60 across 2 seasons is pretty rare in the NBA, so I expect the Hornets to hold onto Sexton.

As far as Gafford, Hornets aren't trading a 1st for him.

[jayjaysee]

This is the right perspective.

The Mavs ended their search for backcourt help with DLo and I guess(?) didn't attempt to use Gafford to get Sexton as surely Ainge would've jumped at that value since Gafford > Nurkic.

Hornets still need a center, which indicates Sexton was a target because they gave up a center for him.

Multiple additions addressed the priority on playmaking: Sexton, Kon, McNeeley, Dinwiddie, Tre Mann, even Plumlee.

We are adding playmaking here, not subtracting it.

So Dallas moved on, settled on DLo.

I'd want a first round pick for Sexton because I believe he's that important to the Hornets offense. I'm not saying he's worth that and I don't care if fans get their titties in a twist over it.

I'm just not listening on him after suffering through a season where Micic was used as a secondary playmaker alongside LaMelo, and Josh Green was asked to handle the ball. Countless other terrible players not qualified to run offense.

Sexton put up .593 TS. For a playmaking guard, can't ask much more than that. And he's still just 26.

I’ll keep going back to if Sexton was worth a lot, Utah would’ve traded him last year.. Not saying anything about the draft night traded just on Sexton’s actual value with things we know.

He didn’t gain value from the deadline to the draft.

I don’t even recall/know if Dallas actually called for Sexton before Utah traded him. The fan base was just really desperate for playmaking after watching Naji and Brandon Williams…

We posted Simons, Sexton, Coby,..could extend that list to include Reaves, RJ, Ayo, Vassell, Keyonte George… we tried anything..

just about all of the one-way guards some better than others obviously. Because they typically do not have a lot of value and Dallas is asset poor so we went for the bargain bins.

Dallas settled with DLo for free versus paying for one of them. Better than some, likely worse than most.

I think the deal between these two teams is Gafford for the worst of Mem/Orlando first, nothing to do with Sexton.

Like I said, a guard with playmaking skills posting TS% ~60 across 2 seasons is pretty rare in the NBA, so I expect the Hornets to hold onto Sexton.

As far as Gafford, Hornets aren't trading a 1st for him.

Amongst TS% with just guards, Sexton was 58th this year and 38th the year before… Maybe some small samples and maybe some only one year? But feels not that rare in today’s NBA.

I like Sexton. Just not losing who he is is all. Utah fans wanted a first for Sexton as well, they didn’t lower their asking to “super late first”/swap/etc to after the deadline..

And I think it would cost that low value first (or a guard consolidation/upgrade) in order for Dallas to trade Gafford…because Dallas/Nike seems to like the idea to be able to play bigger and stronger than most teams.

And Gafford is actually nice to have in a 20-22mpg role this season, the lower minutes protect him and let him burn himself out running around like he does.

I have no idea why you wouldn’t want Gafford for that late first really. I do think CLT needs to address their bigs before the season starts unless it’s just a tanking season.

[MasterIchiro]

I’ll keep going back to if Sexton was worth a lot, Utah would’ve traded him last year.. Not saying anything about the draft night traded just on Sexton’s actual value with things we know.

He didn’t gain value from the deadline to the draft.

I don’t even recall/know if Dallas actually called for Sexton before Utah traded him. The fan base was just really desperate for playmaking after watching Naji and Brandon Williams…

We posted Simons, Sexton, Coby,..could extend that list to include Reaves, RJ, Ayo, Vassell, Keyonte George… we tried anything..

just about all of the one-way guards some better than others obviously. Because they typically do not have a lot of value and Dallas is asset poor so we went for the bargain bins.

Dallas settled with DLo for free versus paying for one of them. Better than some, likely worse than most.

I think the deal between these two teams is Gafford for the worst of Mem/Orlando first, nothing to do with Sexton.

Like I said, a guard with playmaking skills posting TS% ~60 across 2 seasons is pretty rare in the NBA, so I expect the Hornets to hold onto Sexton.

As far as Gafford, Hornets aren't trading a 1st for him.

Amongst TS% with just guards, Sexton was 58th this year and 38th the year before… Maybe some small samples and maybe some only one year? But feels not that rare in today’s NBA.

I like Sexton. Just not losing who he is is all. Utah fans wanted a first for Sexton as well, they didn’t lower their asking to “super late first”/swap/etc to after the deadline..

And I think it would cost that low value first (or a guard consolidation/upgrade) in order for Dallas to trade Gafford…because Dallas/Nike seems to like the idea to be able to play bigger and stronger than most teams.

And Gafford is actually nice to have in a 20-22mpg role this season, the lower minutes protect him and let him burn himself out running around like he does.

I have no idea why you wouldn’t want Gafford for that late first really. I do think CLT needs to address their bigs before the season starts unless it’s just a tanking season.

Kyrie was at .594. Sexton matched him at 593.

We won't be dealing Sexton cheaply, if at all.

[jayjaysee]

Like I said, a guard with playmaking skills posting TS% ~60 across 2 seasons is pretty rare in the NBA, so I expect the Hornets to hold onto Sexton.

As far as Gafford, Hornets aren't trading a 1st for him.

Amongst TS% with just guards, Sexton was 58th this year and 38th the year before… Maybe some small samples and maybe some only one year? But feels not that rare in today’s NBA.

I like Sexton. Just not losing who he is is all. Utah fans wanted a first for Sexton as well, they didn’t lower their asking to “super late first”/swap/etc to after the deadline..

And I think it would cost that low value first (or a guard consolidation/upgrade) in order for Dallas to trade Gafford…because Dallas/Nike seems to like the idea to be able to play bigger and stronger than most teams.

And Gafford is actually nice to have in a 20-22mpg role this season, the lower minutes protect him and let him burn himself out running around like he does.

I have no idea why you wouldn’t want Gafford for that late first really. I do think CLT needs to address their bigs before the season starts unless it’s just a tanking season.

Kyrie was at .594. Sexton matched him at 593.

We won't be dealing Sexton cheaply, if at all.

So…

Are you bringing up Kyrie because I’m a Dallas fan?

Because.. I’m a Dallas fan that wanted the team to tank for a season, with 33 year old injured Kyrie sitting on the bench, before they got lucky with Flagg.. and getting Flagg only makes that stronger. So not really the right person to push that at.

But if you’re comparing Kyrie to Sexton, you’re kind of just showing your bias?

Especially looking at what you were responding to where I only said it’s not rare for a guard to have a TS% like Sexton’s and that I like Sexton..

[Michaellam1987]

Given the significant injury concern on Lively and AD, Gafford is very important as one of the best back up C in the league, and can start anytime when needed. Unless we can give a lessor, but still nice back up C, who may start occasionally, otherwise, don't think DAL should give up Gafford so easily.

[Wizop]

Mathurin isn't impossible. Maybe Mathurin and Bradley for Gafford and Exum. Bradley isn't guaranteed so you could waive him or we could waive him and leave him out of the deal. Exum gives us the 3rd PG we could use with Tyrese out. Mathurin is going to want starters money soon and he won't start in Indy when Tyrese is back so trading him West to a team that will start him is a possibility.

[daoneandonly]

Mathurin isn't impossible. Maybe Mathurin and Bradley for Gafford and Exum. Bradley isn't guaranteed so you could waive him or we could waive him and leave him out of the deal. Exum gives us the 3rd PG we could use with Tyrese out. Mathurin is going to want starters money soon and he won't start in Indy when Tyrese is back so trading him West to a team that will start him is a possibility.

Aaron Wiggins and Ben Mathurin were the first 2 guys I thought of when creating the thread. I'd take either one and then maneuver as needed to have money to pay Mathurin if he proves himself. Your deal is fine, only downside is cant do it until Dec or maybe even Jan depending on the rules of Exum being re-signed.

[jayjaysee]

Mathurin isn't impossible. Maybe Mathurin and Bradley for Gafford and Exum. Bradley isn't guaranteed so you could waive him or we could waive him and leave him out of the deal. Exum gives us the 3rd PG we could use with Tyrese out. Mathurin is going to want starters money soon and he won't start in Indy when Tyrese is back so trading him West to a team that will start him is a possibility.

I don’t think the Bradley/Exum swap is important enough to delay the deal.

Figure out what asset Dallas owes to get Mathurin and get the deal done. Christie? Meh-deep bench guard Williams? Seconds? Swap?

[The Beam King]

Malik Monk? DeMar DeRozan? Zach Lavine. Devin Carter.

Im dure a deal could be had and centered around gafford and any 1 of those 4.

[jayjaysee]

Malik Monk? DeMar DeRozan? Zach Lavine. Devin Carter.

Im dure a deal could be had and centered around gafford and any 1 of those 4.

I still wouldn’t mind going after LaVine, but I think most Dallas fans were never interested.

If Dallas tried to keep PJ out of it... the salaries could still work, just not sure if Sac would give LaVine away just for depth pieces that probably barely go above neutral value. Gafford cancels out Klay, Naji cancels out Hardy, and Martin is neutral if you base him off his pre-Dallas/injury play..

Monk? Monk and Jones for Gafford, Martin and whatever 2nds? Feels like Martin is useful for Sac. Jones hopefully develops behind Lively/AD. And Dallas buys out Prosper or Powell to sign Exum..

[daoneandonly]

Malik Monk? DeMar DeRozan? Zach Lavine. Devin Carter.

Im dure a deal could be had and centered around gafford and any 1 of those 4.

And why would Dallas trade Gaff for any of the first 3? Because it helps your team and hurts a West competitor?

[daoneandonly]

Mathurin isn't impossible. Maybe Mathurin and Bradley for Gafford and Exum. Bradley isn't guaranteed so you could waive him or we could waive him and leave him out of the deal. Exum gives us the 3rd PG we could use with Tyrese out. Mathurin is going to want starters money soon and he won't start in Indy when Tyrese is back so trading him West to a team that will start him is a possibility.

I don’t think the Bradley/Exum swap is important enough to delay the deal.

Figure out what asset Dallas owes to get Mathurin and get the deal done. Christie? Meh-deep bench guard Williams? Seconds? Swap?

Williams is the most I'd be willing to give up if incentive is needed. Not sure if it would be given Mathurin is about to get paid.

Wiztop, what about Gaff for Jarace? Idea being Dalals finds a 3rd team who would trade their young guard for Jarace

[Wizop]

Williams is the most I'd be willing to give up if incentive is needed. Not sure if it would be given Mathurin is about to get paid.

Wizop, what about Gaff for Jarace? Idea being Dalals finds a 3rd team who would trade their young guard for Jarace

I doubt we're ready to move Jarace. He should get a bump in minutes with Tyrese out and Maturin expected to start at the two.

I'm offering Mathurin because of the coming money crunch. he's going to deserve starter's money but our starting backcourt next year should be Tyrese and Nembhard. Jarace has yet to show he deserves more than the midlevel which is fine for a backup 3/4.

[daoneandonly]

Williams is the most I'd be willing to give up if incentive is needed. Not sure if it would be given Mathurin is about to get paid.

Wizop, what about Gaff for Jarace? Idea being Dalals finds a 3rd team who would trade their young guard for Jarace

I doubt we're ready to move Jarace. He should get a bump in minutes with Tyrese out and Maturin expected to start at the two.

I'm offering Mathurin because of the coming money crunch. he's going to deserve starter's money but our starting backcourt next year should be Tyrese and Nembhard. Jarace has yet to show he deserves more than the midlevel which is fine for a backup 3/4.

Makes sense, do you see Jarace as a 3 or 4? I'd figured Nesmith is the starting 3, no?

[jayjaysee]

Williams is the most I'd be willing to give up if incentive is needed. Not sure if it would be given Mathurin is about to get paid.

Mathurin is only going to get paid if he’s worth it.

And I don’t think Williams actually has much value at all. He’ll be 26 years old and hes probably still not a good backup PG. think it’ll take a lot more than 10~ games for anyone to assign him value.

[daoneandonly]

Williams is the most I'd be willing to give up if incentive is needed. Not sure if it would be given Mathurin is about to get paid.

Mathurin is only going to get paid if he’s worth it.

And I don’t think Williams actually has much value at all. He’ll be 26 years old and hes probably still not a good backup PG. think it’ll take a lot more than 10~ games for anyone to assign him value.

Yeah, I don't think much of him at all, just dont think Dallas should pay much incentive to make the swap

And Dallas has a terible history across various FO's of overpaying SGs. Michael Finley, Wes Matthews, Tim Hardaway Jr, and Josh Green

[Wizop]

Makes sense, do you see Jarace as a 3 or 4? I'd figured Nesmith is the starting 3, no?

Yes, Nesmith starts. Jarace should be mostly a 3 although he should get some minutes at the 4 so Furphy can get minutes at the 3. center is up for grabs but we do expect some small ball with Toppin at the 5 and Jarace at 4.

[babyjax13]

Monk?

[daoneandonly]

Monk?

The market has screamed undersized guards are not valuable

[babyjax13]

Monk?

The market has screamed undersized guards are not valuable

Same with backup centers