The best guard Daniel Gafford could return?

[jayjaysee]

Monk?

The market has screamed undersized guards are not valuable

Same with backup centers

I think I’d try either Gafford/Martin/2nd for Monk and Jones? Or Gafford/Naji for Monk/Jones/2nd? Not sure on those.

Dallas would be “deep” at the guards when healthy, but still not very talented. And I think Monk is enough better than what Dallas has (outside of Kyrie obviously) to still do it?

the beginning of the offseason, I would’ve offered PJ. But with DAR and other pieces and rumors of PJ being willing to extend - I think that should be Dallas’ top offer now..

Honestly - still think there’s a little life in a..

Gafford to GS
Monk to Dallas
Kuminga to Sac

Type deal, where you play with salaries and a fourth team to make everyone happy / make it legal. Dallas

[jowglenn]

We can revisit near the deadline, but there's no way I'm trading Mathurin right now for Daniel Gafford. Mathurin is poised for his breakout season - he's going to start, the offense will need his production, he's entering year 4, every sign is pointing to this being his big year. If we don't want to pay him we can still probably find good deals at the deadline for a team that does. I'm fine with running a platoon at center for a year while we figure things out.

I would just hate to deal Mathurin right now as I feel he has a huge opportunity to finally put it together.

[Wizop]

I would just hate to deal Mathurin right now as I feel he has a huge opportunity to finally put it together.

He does but that's the problem. He's not going to start ahead of Tyrese or Nembhard but if he puts it together he's going to get money similar to what the Bucks paid Turner. if you don't want to deal Mathurin by the deadline, are you willing to trade Nesmith so Benn can start at the 3?

[babyjax13]

The market has screamed undersized guards are not valuable

Same with backup centers

I think I’d try either Gafford/Martin/2nd for Monk and Jones? Or Gafford/Naji for Monk/Jones/2nd? Not sure on those.

Dallas would be “deep” at the guards when healthy, but still not very talented. And I think Monk is enough better than what Dallas has (outside of Kyrie obviously) to still do it?

the beginning of the offseason, I would’ve offered PJ. But with DAR and other pieces and rumors of PJ being willing to extend - I think that should be Dallas’ top offer now..

Honestly - still think there’s a little life in a..

Gafford to GS
Monk to Dallas
Kuminga to Sac

Type deal, where you play with salaries and a fourth team to make everyone happy / make it legal. Dallas

Gafford/Martin feels fine to me with 2nds either way for flavor. I wouldn't want to move Naji AND Gafford for Monk.

[jowglenn]

I would just hate to deal Mathurin right now as I feel he has a huge opportunity to finally put it together.

He does but that's the problem. He's not going to start ahead of Tyrese or Nembhard but if he puts it together he's going to get money similar to what the Bucks paid Turner. if you don't want to deal Mathurin by the deadline, are you willing to trade Nesmith so Benn can start at the 3?

Maybe? At least see what we've got and then at the trade deadline, if Benn has taken the leap, you can see what's out there and what options are available. Maybe our center platoon works out ok, we're fine with running Huff & Jackson and small-ball Toppin, and we don't see the need for a Gafford type. Maybe we can move Mathurin + a center for a bigger upgrade than Gafford! Or maybe a solid pick?

Not that I don't like Gafford, I just feel like there will be lots of options and way greater information at the trade deadline.

[Wizop]

Not that I don't like Gafford, I just feel like there will be lots of options and way greater information at the trade deadline.

I'm fine waiting until after next summer's draft to decide if we need another veteran center. I see Mathurin's contract as a separate problem but I can be patient there too.

[Scoot McGroot]

Williams is the most I'd be willing to give up if incentive is needed. Not sure if it would be given Mathurin is about to get paid.

Wizop, what about Gaff for Jarace? Idea being Dalals finds a 3rd team who would trade their young guard for Jarace

I doubt we're ready to move Jarace. He should get a bump in minutes with Tyrese out and Maturin expected to start at the two.

I'm offering Mathurin because of the coming money crunch. he's going to deserve starter's money but our starting backcourt next year should be Tyrese and Nembhard. Jarace has yet to show he deserves more than the midlevel which is fine for a backup 3/4.

Makes sense, do you see Jarace as a 3 or 4? I'd figured Nesmith is the starting 3, no?

I could maybe see a reasoning behind a Mathurin for Gafford type swap, though I think it’s unlikely. I cannot see a Walker for Gafford swap at all. I think Indy would just play Walker as a 3/4/5 type player, which they sorely need (basically just Nesmith, Siakam, Toppin, and maaaaaybe IJackson are proven at those spots). Absolutely need Walker, and he’s still “cheap” for this year and next.

[Wizop]

Absolutely need Walker, and he’s still “cheap” for this year and next.

Hollinger: trades are about contracts.

[Scoot McGroot]

Absolutely need Walker, and he’s still “cheap” for this year and next.

Hollinger: trades are about contracts.

Legally, sure. Realistically, they’re about making your team better.

[Wizop]

Absolutely need Walker, and he’s still “cheap” for this year and next.

Hollinger: trades are about contracts.

Legally, sure. Realistically, they’re about making your team better.

I do think Hollinger had more than "legally" in mind when he said it, but we don't disagree in general or about the specifics here.

this year's money problem was Turner. next year's is likely to be Mathurin. I don't see a Gafford trade as likely but I do not see Mathurin as untouchable.

[Scoot McGroot]

Hollinger: trades are about contracts.

Legally, sure. Realistically, they’re about making your team better.

I do think Hollinger had more than "legally" in mind when he said it, but we don't disagree in general or about the specifics here.

this year's money problem was Turner. next year's is likely to be Mathurin. I don't see a Gafford trade as likely but I do not see Mathurin as untouchable.

I agree Mathurin isn’t untouchable. I also don’t know that Gafford is the level of player that would be targeted?

[Wizop]

I also don’t know that Gafford is the level of player that would be targeted?

there were several guys in the draft that I like more for us than Gafford although I completely understand why we traded the 23 and why we took Jones and Peter. still I think Mathurin is on the list of the "best guard(s) that Daniel Gafford could return."

[Nate the Great]

The market has screamed undersized guards are not valuable

Same with backup centers

I think I’d try either Gafford/Martin/2nd for Monk and Jones? Or Gafford/Naji for Monk/Jones/2nd? Not sure on those.

Dallas would be “deep” at the guards when healthy, but still not very talented. And I think Monk is enough better than what Dallas has (outside of Kyrie obviously) to still do it?

the beginning of the offseason, I would’ve offered PJ. But with DAR and other pieces and rumors of PJ being willing to extend - I think that should be Dallas’ top offer now..

Honestly - still think there’s a little life in a..

Gafford to GS
Monk to Dallas
Kuminga to Sac

Type deal, where you play with salaries and a fourth team to make everyone happy / make it legal. Dallas

Gafford’s “shooting” makes Draymond look like Steph. He’d have to come off the bench. I can’t see the Warriors being excited about that.

[Texas Chuck]

Gafford’s “shooting” makes Draymond look like Steph. He’d have to come off the bench. I can’t see the Warriors being excited about that.

I know you are mainly just not a fan of players not currently Warriors, but its worth noting that GSW has started non-shooting bigs next to Green for years and none of them as effective on offense as Gafford whose rim running would unlock some things for them.

I'm not suggesting GSW should trade for him, but if he was on the roster, he would be a key rotation guy and a guy who would upgrade the offense not downgrade it as you imply.

[Nate the Great]

Gafford’s “shooting” makes Draymond look like Steph. He’d have to come off the bench. I can’t see the Warriors being excited about that.

I know you are mainly just not a fan of players not currently Warriors, but its worth noting that GSW has started non-shooting bigs next to Green for years and none of them as effective on offense as Gafford whose rim running would unlock some things for them.

I'm not suggesting GSW should trade for him, but if he was on the roster, he would be a key rotation guy and a guy who would upgrade the offense not downgrade it as you imply.

When GSW started non-shooting bigs next to Green, they also started shooting SFs, and had Klay at SG. Now they lack great shooters at both those slots. Also, the NBA has changed since then, making shooters much more important.

Al Horford will be the Warriors’ starting center when all this is resolved. Post will be the backup center. Gafford, if they had him, wouldn’t get much PT.

[Texas Chuck]

Cool. I wish my team had Post and a dream of signing Horford. We only have AD and Lively and yet we still somehow feel like Gafford is going to play a meaningful role.

[Nate the Great]

Cool. I wish my team had Post and a dream of signing Horford. We only have AD and Lively and yet we still somehow feel like Gafford is going to play a meaningful role.

And he probably will, for your team. My team has different needs than your team. It’s not a knock on Gafford, I just don’t want to see him crashing into Dray and Jimmy inside while Steph faces constant triple-teams because he’s our only shooter.

[daoneandonly]

Going to beat this dead horse into the ground, but still think Gaff for Mathurin helps both teams . I cant see a feasible 3 team path where Dallas gets Aaron Wiggins for Gaff, so Mathurin would be the next guy I think they should target. Trade Klay for a backup 5 since he's basketball geriatric and will complain about being a 6th man, then call it an offseason.

[Patsfan1081]

Cool. I wish my team had Post and a dream of signing Horford. We only have AD and Lively and yet we still somehow feel like Gafford is going to play a meaningful role.

And he probably will, for your team. My team has different needs than your team. It’s not a knock on Gafford, I just don’t want to see him crashing into Dray and Jimmy inside while Steph faces constant triple-teams because he’s our only shooter.

You had Looney doing it with the same exact roster last season. Post was a nice story last year but he’s still an unknown. And there is no way management is banking on Al who is likely to as much retire.

[Nate the Great]

Cool. I wish my team had Post and a dream of signing Horford. We only have AD and Lively and yet we still somehow feel like Gafford is going to play a meaningful role.

And he probably will, for your team. My team has different needs than your team. It’s not a knock on Gafford, I just don’t want to see him crashing into Dray and Jimmy inside while Steph faces constant triple-teams because he’s our only shooter.

You had Looney doing it with the same exact roster last season. Post was a nice story last year but he’s still an unknown. And there is no way management is banking on Al who is likely to as much retire.

Looney came off the bench and played 15 minutes a game. He was paid considerably less than Gafford. Rookie Quinten Post, who was the 52nd pick, started 14 games in the second half of the season, because he can shoot. The Warriors didn’t make much effort to resign Looney.

But if you’re so eager to think that Gafford is somehow the perfect starting center for the Warriors, I can’t stop you.