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HOU I feel got a great deal with DFS. He’s the player archetype that’s much needed in the current NBA. He’s getting a bit old but he’s really only guaranteed 2 yrs 24m and team can control him for 2 more years if so desired. Making him valuable as a trade piece whether as an expiring now or whenever needed in his final 2 option years. I’m still miffed the Lakers didn’t really try to keep him, the opening NTMLE excuse doesn’t fly cuz they coulda easily dumped Vincent or Kleber somewhere else for one SRP+Cash. But it really does seem like the Lakers are hell bent on having 2026 cap space.
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Scalabrine wrote:Worst Deals
Duncan Robinson - 3yr/48m - Just doesn't really make sense to me. He's a fine player, and every team needs a shooter, but who else was gonna give him this deal? How did Gary Trent get the minimum and Robinson get 16 million per year? How did he get more money than Alexander-Walker or Luke Kennard????? It just doesn't make sense to me.
The rationale on this has been posted about numerous times.
Duncan Robinson's contract in actuality is:
1st year 16 million guaranteed
2nd year 2 million guaranteed (team option)
3rd year 0 guaranteed (team option)
The Detroit Pistons shipped Simone Fontecchio's 8m dead weight guaranteed money contract this year (He sat the bench the back half of the season basically) as part of the trade.
Duncan Robinson's contract had to be '3 years' in order to be eligible for a S&T.
So the net of all of this is that the Pistons paid and additional 10 million for 1 year of one of the best 3pt shooters in the league after just losing one of the best 3pt shooters in the league the day before (Beasley) due to gambling allegations.
Robinson agrees to the S&T because it's a good 1 year deal for him.
Can we please stop with the dumb posts questioning this contract now?
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JXL wrote:Best Deal: Bruce Brown back to the Nuggets for the vet's minimum. His best season came from Denver, so it should be going back that could reinvigorate his value again.
Worst Deal: If free agency, the Tre Mann deal for 3/$24m; if trades, the Pelicans trading the 2026 pick swap, unprotected, to Atlanta to move 10 spots and draft Derik Queen.
Denver got a great deal and player in BBrown.
The Worst for me is: Kings signing Schroder. WTF? That money for him?
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The Booker renewal for the Suns is the last nail on the coffin.
75mil per season. Even if you decided to trade him at some point, now he's untradeable.
75mil per season. Even if you decided to trade him at some point, now he's untradeable.
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Invictus88 wrote:Scalabrine wrote:Worst Deals
Duncan Robinson - 3yr/48m - Just doesn't really make sense to me. He's a fine player, and every team needs a shooter, but who else was gonna give him this deal? How did Gary Trent get the minimum and Robinson get 16 million per year? How did he get more money than Alexander-Walker or Luke Kennard????? It just doesn't make sense to me.
The rationale on this has been posted about numerous times.
Duncan Robinson's contract in actuality is:
1st year 16 million guaranteed
2nd year 2 million guaranteed (team option)
3rd year 0 guaranteed (team option)
The Detroit Pistons shipped Simone Fontecchio's 8m dead weight guaranteed money contract this year (He sat the bench the back half of the season basically) as part of the trade.
Duncan Robinson's contract had to be '3 years' in order to be eligible for a S&T.
So the net of all of this is that the Pistons paid and additional 10 million for 1 year of one of the best 3pt shooters in the league after just losing one of the best 3pt shooters in the league the day before (Beasley) due to gambling allegations.
Robinson agrees to the S&T because it's a good 1 year deal for him.
Can we please stop with the dumb posts questioning this contract now?
He's been a 38% 3 point shooter over the past 4 seasons. Thats definitely not "one of the best" over that time. He'll probably end up playing the same role Fontechio played for y'all and he's gonna cost 10 million more. Just go around and let me know who was gonna pay Duncan Robinson this deal? Also look who they made the deal with? Making a deal with the Heat is like making a deal with Ainge. We'll see in the long run, and I get the way youre trying to spin this, but in an off-season featuring a bunch of reasonable deals, this one seems to stand out to me...
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cupcakesnake wrote:Scalabrine wrote:cupcakesnake wrote:
Trent is close to replacement level. He occasionally gets hot and makes you think he could be more than that. He's a good shooter, but not a versatile one. He'll knock down catch & shoot 3s, and hit a few off the dribble, but he's not a movement shooter flying off screens or working dribble handoff actions. He's a total zero as a passer. He's awful around the rim, and mediocre everywhere else besides behind the 3-point line. His defensive effort is maddeningly inconsistent. He showed late in Toronto that he was a defensive liability, and then continued to show that in Milwaukee. The Bucks had the worst perimeter defense in the NBA, and while Trent wasn't the main reason for that, he was part of the problem.
NAW is way better. He's a very solid secondary ball handler, an awesome connective passer, a good catch & shoot player, and above all else: he's one of the best point of attack defenders in the NBA. NAW absolutely harasses ball handlers, capable of picking them up full court and forcing turnovers. He's a good help defender too, both on the perimeter and in the paint. He's never really found his scoring game in the NBA. His drives go nowhere. He's good as a shooter and connective piece, and he can take care of the basketball, but if you ask him to go get a bucket, most of the time it wont end well. Plenty of people viewed NAW as one of the best free agent guards available. He's going into his prime, and he the ideal type of guard to put next to Trae Young. Next year, the Hawks can always have an elite perimeter defender next to Young with either Dyson or NAW out there. If NAW regresses though, the contract could end up a bad one. Very good player though. Super sad to lose him off the T-Wolves. He was one of my favorites.
I'm not really a big Kennard guy but I don't think it's complicated. He's a ridiculous shooter. He led the whole NBA in 3-point % 2 years in a row. He's a much better ball handler and passer than Gary Trent Jr. Kennard made more than the minimum but only got a 1-year deal.
Thanks. That proves my point.
Kennard and NAW are better than Robinson but getting 4-6 million LESS per year.
I agree that Trent is worse, but the fact that he's a minimum level player and Robinson is a 17 million dollar player doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
Right but... again... Robinson's deal is non-guaranteed. You're saying 3 years/48m, but it might be a 1 year deal. Structuring it this way makes Robinson a great trade piece as well, because you can count him as a 17m guy, but the team trading for him can waive him for 2m the next year. This deal isn't about saying Duncan is 17m per year good at basketball, it's Detroit creating a useful asset by leveraging their cap room this year. It's a smart deal. They can decide to bring him back the season after for 15m, and still have him as a similar trade chip that can be aquired and waived for free.
NAW secured a real contract. Fully guaranteed and even got himself a player option and a trade kicker. Acting like Detroit (or the market) valued Robinson higher, just because of the first year of the contract, completely misses the point. NAW is going to make 60m on this contract; Duncan Robinson we have no idea.
Luke Kennard just came off a pretty bad season. He grabbed as much money as he could, with a chance to ball out and hit free agency again next year. Duncan Robinson was WAY better than Kennard in 2025.
Nah man, you can't drivel along on why he's a better contract than NAW and then use the exact opposite logic on why he's a better contract than Kennard. Robinson is a shooter, and he's not much else. Kennard is one of the leagues best 3 point shooters, and he can do more than Robinson else where. AND he's making significantly less money.
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Invictus88 wrote:Scalabrine wrote:Worst Deals
Duncan Robinson - 3yr/48m - Just doesn't really make sense to me. He's a fine player, and every team needs a shooter, but who else was gonna give him this deal? How did Gary Trent get the minimum and Robinson get 16 million per year? How did he get more money than Alexander-Walker or Luke Kennard????? It just doesn't make sense to me.
The rationale on this has been posted about numerous times.
Duncan Robinson's contract in actuality is:
1st year 16 million guaranteed
2nd year 2 million guaranteed (team option)
3rd year 0 guaranteed (team option)
The Detroit Pistons shipped Simone Fontecchio's 8m dead weight guaranteed money contract this year (He sat the bench the back half of the season basically) as part of the trade.
Duncan Robinson's contract had to be '3 years' in order to be eligible for a S&T.
So the net of all of this is that the Pistons paid and additional 10 million for 1 year of one of the best 3pt shooters in the league after just losing one of the best 3pt shooters in the league the day before (Beasley) due to gambling allegations.
Robinson agrees to the S&T because it's a good 1 year deal for him.
Can we please stop with the dumb posts questioning this contract now?
The weird wrinkle about this is, Robinson's contract for next season becomes fully guaranteed in January, not July/August like most deals.
So it's not really a "one year deal". If they don't trade him before January, it becomes a 2 year deal. Same for the following season.
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Scalabrine wrote:cupcakesnake wrote:Scalabrine wrote:
Thanks. That proves my point.
Kennard and NAW are better than Robinson but getting 4-6 million LESS per year.
I agree that Trent is worse, but the fact that he's a minimum level player and Robinson is a 17 million dollar player doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
Right but... again... Robinson's deal is non-guaranteed. You're saying 3 years/48m, but it might be a 1 year deal. Structuring it this way makes Robinson a great trade piece as well, because you can count him as a 17m guy, but the team trading for him can waive him for 2m the next year. This deal isn't about saying Duncan is 17m per year good at basketball, it's Detroit creating a useful asset by leveraging their cap room this year. It's a smart deal. They can decide to bring him back the season after for 15m, and still have him as a similar trade chip that can be aquired and waived for free.
NAW secured a real contract. Fully guaranteed and even got himself a player option and a trade kicker. Acting like Detroit (or the market) valued Robinson higher, just because of the first year of the contract, completely misses the point. NAW is going to make 60m on this contract; Duncan Robinson we have no idea.
Luke Kennard just came off a pretty bad season. He grabbed as much money as he could, with a chance to ball out and hit free agency again next year. Duncan Robinson was WAY better than Kennard in 2025.
Nah man, you can't drivel along on why he's a better contract than NAW and then use the exact opposite logic on why he's a better contract than Kennard. Robinson is a shooter, and he's not much else. Kennard is one of the leagues best 3 point shooters, and he can do more than Robinson else where. AND he's making significantly less money.
I'm not following. You didn't like Robinson getting more money than NAW and Kennard, and I pointed out that there's almost zero chance he's getting more money than NAW.
Robinson is better than Kennard, or at least he was last year. Duncan Robinson is a better defender (not good, mind you, just better than Kennard, who's one of the worst in the league), he's tall and long enough to play the 3 (Kennard has to play guard, where he gets cooked by faster guys), and he's so much more active off the ball and as a secondary creator.
Kennard is better with the ball in his hands, but what NBA offense right now is giving Kennard lots of on-ball reps. I'd rather have Robinson because he's much better at the role both he and Kennard are asked to play. Duncan Robinson can run DHO action better than Kennard as well. Kennard has slightly better pure shooting touch, but Robinson is more dynamic and does way more things functionally.
Kennard could bounce back. He's shown flashes in the past, but Memphis got sick of his defense pretty quick. Him being able to play in some lineups with NAW and Dyson could help (you obviously can't play him with Trae in any important moment.) If Kennard does bounce back, he can get back into free agency and make that sweet sweet Duncan Robinson team option non-guaranteed money

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Scalabrine wrote:Invictus88 wrote:Scalabrine wrote:Worst Deals
Duncan Robinson - 3yr/48m - Just doesn't really make sense to me. He's a fine player, and every team needs a shooter, but who else was gonna give him this deal? How did Gary Trent get the minimum and Robinson get 16 million per year? How did he get more money than Alexander-Walker or Luke Kennard????? It just doesn't make sense to me.
The rationale on this has been posted about numerous times.
Duncan Robinson's contract in actuality is:
1st year 16 million guaranteed
2nd year 2 million guaranteed (team option)
3rd year 0 guaranteed (team option)
The Detroit Pistons shipped Simone Fontecchio's 8m dead weight guaranteed money contract this year (He sat the bench the back half of the season basically) as part of the trade.
Duncan Robinson's contract had to be '3 years' in order to be eligible for a S&T.
So the net of all of this is that the Pistons paid and additional 10 million for 1 year of one of the best 3pt shooters in the league after just losing one of the best 3pt shooters in the league the day before (Beasley) due to gambling allegations.
Robinson agrees to the S&T because it's a good 1 year deal for him.
Can we please stop with the dumb posts questioning this contract now?
He's been a 38% 3 point shooter over the past 4 seasons. Thats definitely not "one of the best" over that time. He'll probably end up playing the same role Fontechio played for y'all and he's gonna cost 10 million more. Just go around and let me know who was gonna pay Duncan Robinson this deal? Also look who they made the deal with? Making a deal with the Heat is like making a deal with Ainge. We'll see in the long run, and I get the way youre trying to spin this, but in an off-season featuring a bunch of reasonable deals, this one seems to stand out to me...
You do realize that there is a void of 315 made threes (mostly catch and shoot) left by Beasley not being retained right? Second in the league last year? That's literally Duncan Robinson's bread and butter. It's the exact role the Pistons need him for (kickouts for open 3s from Cade's drives).
He shot 39% on 6.9 attempts per game last year. I don't see how you can find fault with that. Saying he is one of the best 3pt shooters in the league isn't a stretch given his success and volume.
Please continue to reply and make yourself sound dumber and dumber with each post.
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lethalizer wrote:Invictus88 wrote:Scalabrine wrote:Worst Deals
Duncan Robinson - 3yr/48m - Just doesn't really make sense to me. He's a fine player, and every team needs a shooter, but who else was gonna give him this deal? How did Gary Trent get the minimum and Robinson get 16 million per year? How did he get more money than Alexander-Walker or Luke Kennard????? It just doesn't make sense to me.
The rationale on this has been posted about numerous times.
Duncan Robinson's contract in actuality is:
1st year 16 million guaranteed
2nd year 2 million guaranteed (team option)
3rd year 0 guaranteed (team option)
The Detroit Pistons shipped Simone Fontecchio's 8m dead weight guaranteed money contract this year (He sat the bench the back half of the season basically) as part of the trade.
Duncan Robinson's contract had to be '3 years' in order to be eligible for a S&T.
So the net of all of this is that the Pistons paid and additional 10 million for 1 year of one of the best 3pt shooters in the league after just losing one of the best 3pt shooters in the league the day before (Beasley) due to gambling allegations.
Robinson agrees to the S&T because it's a good 1 year deal for him.
Can we please stop with the dumb posts questioning this contract now?
The weird wrinkle about this is, Robinson's contract for next season becomes fully guaranteed in January, not July/August like most deals.
So it's not really a "one year deal". If they don't trade him before January, it becomes a 2 year deal. Same for the following season.
They can just choose to decline the year 2 option in January and he continues to play out the current season; still getting the 2 million guaranteed from the following year even as a free agent. So yes, it is most likely a 1 year deal unless he really knocks their socks off.
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I might be wrong but I believe DFS last two years are not guaranteed. So I’d consider his deal reasonable.
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YupFrobeBryant wrote:I might be wrong but I believe DFS last two years are not guaranteed. So I’d consider his deal reasonable.

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Invictus88 wrote:Scalabrine wrote:Invictus88 wrote:
He's been a 38% 3 point shooter over the past 4 seasons. Thats definitely not "one of the best" over that time. He'll probably end up playing the same role Fontechio played for y'all and he's gonna cost 10 million more. Just go around and let me know who was gonna pay Duncan Robinson this deal? Also look who they made the deal with? Making a deal with the Heat is like making a deal with Ainge. We'll see in the long run, and I get the way youre trying to spin this, but in an off-season featuring a bunch of reasonable deals, this one seems to stand out to me...
You do realize that there is a void of 315 made threes (mostly catch and shoot) left by Beasley not being retained right? Second in the league last year? That's literally Duncan Robinson's bread and butter. It's the exact role the Pistons need him for (kickouts for open 3s from Cade's drives).
He shot 39% on 6.9 attempts per game last year. I don't see how you can find fault with that. Saying he is one of the best 3pt shooters in the league isn't a stretch given his success and volume.
Please continue to reply and make yourself sound dumber and dumber with each post.
I don't think it's that dumb and I think theres legit reasoning to why it wasn't a good contract. I understand the fit and I get the hole he's filling, he'll probably play well, but what other team was gonna hand out that type of deal? He was considered an overpaid contract for the past 2-3 seasons, so the Pistons just went and re-upped it?
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Scalabrine wrote:Invictus88 wrote:Scalabrine wrote:You do realize that there is a void of 315 made threes (mostly catch and shoot) left by Beasley not being retained right? Second in the league last year? That's literally Duncan Robinson's bread and butter. It's the exact role the Pistons need him for (kickouts for open 3s from Cade's drives).
He shot 39% on 6.9 attempts per game last year. I don't see how you can find fault with that. Saying he is one of the best 3pt shooters in the league isn't a stretch given his success and volume.
Please continue to reply and make yourself sound dumber and dumber with each post.
I don't think it's that dumb and I think theres legit reasoning to why it wasn't a good contract. I understand the fit and I get the hole he's filling, he'll probably play well, but what other team was gonna hand out that type of deal? He was considered an overpaid contract for the past 2-3 seasons, so the Pistons just went and re-upped it?
If you are the Pistons and you just lost 315 made threes out of your lineup the day before the free agency window officially begins (and we all know behind the scenes things are a bit different) then what choices are you left with?
Neither Beasley nor Robinson are good defensively. But the Pistons were perfectly content with scheming around that given how well the offense responded with that type of offensive threat being added last year. In Robinson they found a replacement; or at least the closest thing to it that was actually available and fit in the budget requirements.
He is a guy that most likely will do very well fitting what Cade needs (a floor spacer who knows how to get open via screens etc so that he can be passed to on drives etc).
The reasons people (including you) are giving for it being bad are:
1. I would never want to give Robinson 48 million dollars over 3 years:
Correct. Neither do the Pistons. They are giving 18 million total over one to get out of the jam they are in after Beasley was investigated for gambling.
2. But 18 million dollars is a lot of money to give Robinson:
Sure. But the Pistons also needed / wanted to get rid of a guy who was also doing nothing for them in Fontecchio. He was awful during the regular season. He played 0 out of 6 total playoff games despite being perfectly healthy. It was over for him as a Piston.
So from the Pistons perspective they are getting rid of a player they are never going to use and paying 10 million more dollars for a functional replacement for Beasley. Is it perfect? No. But is it something that should be considered one of the worst deals of the offseason? Come on.
3. But what about years 2 and 3? They are still on the hook for that other 32 million dollars:
No. In year two they are on the hook for 2 (which I already counted in the 10 above). They can decline the option for years 2 and 3 in January and pay Robinson only that 2 million in the next calendar year to walk at the end of this year. Both sides knew this was almost a certainty to happen when the deal was inked. The only reason this is a 3 year contract is to make a sign-and-trade viable so that the Pistons could offload Fontecchio.
I think at this point though I am just restating things I've already posted. You are completely free to disagree I guess. I just don't see the points leading to you concluding this as one of the worst offseason deals as being very sound.
My goodness....
- Look at the Derik Queen deal with next year's unprotected draft pick in a loaded draft sent away from New Orleans when Zion plays less than half his games per year.
- Look at the waiving and stretching of Lillard's and Beal's contracts that both just make horrible previous decisions (at least Beal) potentially franchise crippling decisions for years to come.
- Why does Capela, an aging 3rd string center for Houston, need all 3 of his years guaranteed at above the minimum; especially given that they've already also given a 3 year guaranteed contract to an aging 2nd string center Steven Adams as well?
- And Booker's 2 year 145 million dollar extension... Do you really think that a 32-year-old Devin Booker is going to be producing 72.5 million dollars in production? What about at 33 the following year? What kind of team do they build around that contract along with the dead money from Beal's waiving and stretching? How tradeable is that 72 million dollar contract going to be? It's a road to nowhere for the franchise. For years.
There are just much better candidates to target being bad than effectively a 1 year band-aid deal for a legit team need...
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IMO getting JDub to sign a 5 year deal with smaller escalators and no player option was a coup.
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Randle signed on a pretty team friendly deal considering his strong (albeit inconsistent vs. OKC) showing in this year’s playoffs. He was seen as a big question mark because of his previous playoff performances. It’s good to see him bounce back and prove the doubters wrong. 3/100 for a second option ain’t bad at all.
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Pantsman wrote:The bucks cutting dame and eating 40M for 5 years to sign Myles turner
Bucks have only ONE goal: keeping Giannis.
It doesn't matter if they win or not. Doesn't matter what the cap looks like. Doesn't matter if they can trade him for a boatload of picks since the odds are less than one in 10,000 they will draft someone as good as Giannis, and probably 1 in 1,000 that they could draft several players solid enough to form a competitive core. Milwaukee has had only two superstars in 58 years. You do whatever it takes to keep Giannis for the next decade, even if it means fielding a team with all his brothers.
Every year he doesn't want out is a win. The Lillard trade, even before the injury, was way dumber than the Turner signing but it kept Giannis there for two more years.
Best: reluctantly would say Ayton since it has potential to be a season-changer.
Worst: Booker is tempting but, again, Suns aren't winning anything so you may as well pretend your mere star is a superstar so you can sell tickets. Wait, it's Booker. Booker.
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