garrick wrote:Sunsdeuce wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I learned a lesson just this past season with Dunn. I thought the guy was gonna get like 10-15mpg max because his lack of offense is going to make him a weak link. But credit to him for working hard and working on his shot and while he still wasn't a good shooter by any definition of the word, it was enough to keep him in games long enough to be a menace defensively.
What we got in the guys we've drafted this year and the last are talented and hard working prospects with seemingly the right attitude and at least one projectable elite NBA skill/measurable. If we're talking about a guy who is more polished, could probably play right away, that's probably someone like Queen. But the guy has engagement and motor issues and as importantly, he's not very good defensively. And we've seen dudes with a bad motor and poor defense fade out as well despite being polished and ready to play on the offensive end. There's trade offs no matter who you go with. And I think taking the consensus BPA in the 2nd half of the lottery is a reasonably sound approach.
Let me preference by saying, I like Dunn. I think he’s going to be in the league a long time. But if he doesn’t develop an offensive game, I’m not sure what he’s role will be long term in this league. He was on a rollercoaster all year. Sometimes he was unplayable and other times he looked like a bonafide starter. To be quite frank, I’m still not sure who or what Dunn is yet. What I liked: his defense ethic. What I didn’t like, his standing around on offense, waiting to shoot threes in the corner. He’s bread and butter on offense should be endless movement. Cutting, driving, dunking. Last year, his bread and butter was corner threes (which were not exactly a sure thing). With his shooting limitations he should be poor mans Shawn Marion. He should live and breathe by cuts, put backs and offensive rebounding. Threes should be secondary.
He's a taller Josh Okogie.
Looks amazing when they're hitting their threes but if they aren't they're a huge liability on offense and sometimes unplayable. For Dunn I think his poor free throw shooting really limits him in cuts to the basket because when you can't even hit over 50 percent of your free throws teams you probably aren't going to want to get fouled for fear of missing so many free throws.
I thought Dunn showed some offensive upside at the tail end of last season and in summer league. I don't think he'll just be standing in the corner unless the offense redounds to iso-ball like it did last season - which is possible given that we have no point guard.
If Okogie was 6'8" he'd be a rotation player in this league. I think Dunn has a chance to be much better.
Returning to the question of JK - given their contracts, Dunn is clearly the better asset. Just looking at the players, Dunn has no injury history - last year's DNPs were all DNP-CD. Better blocks and steals rates. Higher TRB%.
OTOH, Kuminga has already shown he can generate his own offense and showed flashes of being a 20/6/5 guy his sophomore and junior seasons. I ragged on his 3FG% and FT% before noticing Dunn's 3FG% was also pretty bad last season at 31%, and his FT% was... 49%?! WTH?
Most importantly, I didn't realize that both JK and Dunn are 22 years old. Given that, I can see why we'd be interested in taking a chance on JK - just not in exchange for Dunn.
ok buddy.
