Brewers 2025 Discussion - Frelick Activated, Black Sent Down

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[VooDoo7]

I get wanting to hold onto prospects. But I'm also tired of just making the playoffs every year only to get bounced right away. We have the best record in baseball right now. If we aren't gonna 'go for it' now, when are we?? Isn't it about making noise in the playoffs? Well, we're here now. No telling what the future holds.

[humanrefutation]

I get wanting to hold onto prospects. But I'm also tired of just making the playoffs every year only to get bounced right away. We have the best record in baseball right now. If we aren't gonna 'go for it' now, when are we?? Isn't it about making noise in the playoffs? Well, we're here now. No telling what the future holds.

Not according to the owner:

“Is my job to win a World Series," Attanasio said, via Bob Nightengale of USA Today, “or is my job to provide a summer of entertainment and passion and a way for families to come together?"

[ReasonablySober]

I get wanting to hold onto prospects. But I'm also tired of just making the playoffs every year only to get bounced right away. We have the best record in baseball right now. If we aren't gonna 'go for it' now, when are we?? Isn't it about making noise in the playoffs? Well, we're here now. No telling what the future holds.

There isn't really a "go for it" trade out there, though.

[BUCKnation]

Yeah im in the same boat in terms of the go for it mindset this year but with suarez off the table, every rumor is super meh outside of the guys who probably aren’t even on the table like jose ramirez

[coolhandluke121]

On MLB's Pipeline pod they listed Cooper Pratt as one of the most likely top 100 prospects to be moved. Just for the sake of comparison, Baseball Trade Values has him listed as the #8 asset overall in the entire organization with a value of Mitch Keller or Jonathan Aranda.

I don't believe for a second that Milwaukee would shop him, but if he was traded he would have to bring back an absolute stud.

Some people way overvalue our prospects. An "absolute stud" is nonsense

Pratt is nice player, but hasn't shown anything outstanding yet to be considered non tradeable unless a stud.

Yeah, I appreciate RS's insights on prospects a lot and I read all of his posts, but it's hard to reconcile that with the dogmatic approach to trading prospects. It almost feels like he cares more about wins and losses in the minor leagues than in the majors. If you draft and develop players well, there's not even room for all of them on the major league club.

If you keep a 50 FV prospect as a backup plan at a key position and he ends up being stuck behind a stud for years, and you had a chance to trade him 3 years earlier for a really good player at a position of dire need when you had a chance to win a **** world series, you squandered a lot of that prospect's value by NOT trading him.

And I'm not a win-now guy by any stretch of the imagination. I could literally defend a Peralta trade with a straight face if the return was good, but I'd still want them to go get at least one good bat, preferably two.

[Thunder Muscle]

I get wanting to hold onto prospects. But I'm also tired of just making the playoffs every year only to get bounced right away. We have the best record in baseball right now. If we aren't gonna 'go for it' now, when are we?? Isn't it about making noise in the playoffs? Well, we're here now. No telling what the future holds.

There isn't really a "go for it" trade out there, though.

That is kind of where I’m at. Who is the big catch to splurge on? Since June 1st, Durbin has had a much higher OPS than a guy like Suarez. That’s a 2 month sample size at this point. Durbin could cool off like May, or he may just be good too as he is 25 and this is his first crack in the bigs.

Ortiz had a decent June at the plate and actually had like an above average OPS+ last season so if no clear upgrades you just hope he can be the June guy again. Defensively feel he is fine enough. Maybe a guy like Otto Lopez would be an upgrade defensively but at the plate don’t know how much of an upgrade it would be. I just don’t see any major SS solutions to make a big deal for.

I wouldn’t hate adding a late inning reliever. Feel like Mears, Anderson are regressing after the hot start. Koenig has not been quite the same. I was hopeful on Yoho but thus far its been a struggle in the bigs. Its probably a crapshoot if any of Payamps, ElvisP, Hudson make it back AND have success like have showed at times in years past.

[coolhandluke121]

My new obsession is a Yelich-style surprise trade for a young SS who wasn't known to be on the market. I already mentioned it in the ATL thread, but Abrams, Neto, Perdomo, and Edwards all seem likely to spend some of their best years on teams that are going nowhere. I bet at least one of their teams would see the wisdom of getting a younger SS prospect like Pratt and a pitching prospect or two, depending on the other parameters of the deal. Hell, if the deal was right, even Pena could be considered.

No need to cling to every Lewis Brinson or Matt LaPorta top-5 level prospect, obviously.

[coolhandluke121]

That is kind of where I’m at. Who is the big catch to splurge on? Since June 1st, Durbin has had a much higher OPS than a guy like Suarez. That’s a 2 month sample size at this point. Durbin could cool off like May, or he may just be good too as he is 25 and this is his first crack in the bigs.

Ortiz had a decent June at the plate and actually had like an above average OPS+ last season so if no clear upgrades you just hope he can be the June guy again. Defensively feel he is fine enough. Maybe a guy like Otto Lopez would be an upgrade defensively but at the plate don’t know how much of an upgrade it would be. I just don’t see any major SS solutions to make a big deal for.

I wouldn’t hate adding a late inning reliever. Feel like Mears, Anderson are regressing after the hot start. Koenig has not been quite the same. I was hopeful on Yoho but thus far its been a struggle in the bigs. Its probably a crapshoot if any of Payamps, ElvisP, Hudson make it back AND have success like have showed at times in years past.

Mostly fair, but I disagree adamantly on Ortiz. When you're changing your batting stance that much, you're completely effed in the head, and that level of yippiness is not the same as a slump. It usually doesn't resolve itself within the same season, if ever. We're talking Joey Wiemer level alarms here. Lopez would almost certainly be an upgrade at the plate, as would Kiner-Falefa.

I don't understand what the hell happened to Hudson. He was a top-3 WAR reliever in all of MLB for more than half a season last year, and it never felt like a fluke. Then he just mysteriously fell off the face of the earth. I still don't even know why he was sent down last year, as he was pretty good in his limited post-ASB appearances. Makes me wonder if he has some demons like Jeffress, or if he just doesn't take care of his body at all. Now he's getting shelled in AAA. What gives?

[Turk Nowitzki]

I generally temper my deadline expectations, but doing nothing today would be very lame.

[Mags FTW]

I generally temper my deadline expectations, but doing nothing today would be very lame.

Same. To not make a deal when you have the best record in the league at the deadline for the first time in decades would be extremely disappointing.

[Thunder Muscle]

That is kind of where I’m at. Who is the big catch to splurge on? Since June 1st, Durbin has had a much higher OPS than a guy like Suarez. That’s a 2 month sample size at this point. Durbin could cool off like May, or he may just be good too as he is 25 and this is his first crack in the bigs.

Ortiz had a decent June at the plate and actually had like an above average OPS+ last season so if no clear upgrades you just hope he can be the June guy again. Defensively feel he is fine enough. Maybe a guy like Otto Lopez would be an upgrade defensively but at the plate don’t know how much of an upgrade it would be. I just don’t see any major SS solutions to make a big deal for.

I wouldn’t hate adding a late inning reliever. Feel like Mears, Anderson are regressing after the hot start. Koenig has not been quite the same. I was hopeful on Yoho but thus far its been a struggle in the bigs. Its probably a crapshoot if any of Payamps, ElvisP, Hudson make it back AND have success like have showed at times in years past.

Mostly fair, but I disagree adamantly on Ortiz. When you're changing your batting stance that much, you're completely effed in the head, and that level of yippiness is not the same as a slump. It usually doesn't resolve itself within the same season, if ever. We're talking Joey Wiemer level alarms here. Lopez would almost certainly be an upgrade at the plate, as would Kiner-Falefa.

I don't understand what the hell happened to Hudson. He was a top-3 WAR reliever in all of MLB for more than half a season last year, and it never felt like a fluke. Then he just mysteriously fell off the face of the earth. I still don't even know why he was sent down last year, as he was pretty good in his limited post-ASB appearances. Makes me wonder if he has some demons like Jeffress, or if he just doesn't take care of his body at all. Now he's getting shelled in AAA. What gives?

Agreed in Hudson. It is super bizarre. I thought last season it was possibly a temporary burnout thing but he never cane back and has been awful in AAA it looks like. He was a borderline All-Star last year 1st half.

I definitely don’t disagree on Ortiz. If I’m giving Durbin the benefit of the 2 month sample size, I have to account Ortiz has been brutal at the plate for 3 months. I’m hopeful he figures something out where he is at least the hitter he was last season but to your point its far far from guaranteed.

[ReasonablySober]

On MLB's Pipeline pod they listed Cooper Pratt as one of the most likely top 100 prospects to be moved. Just for the sake of comparison, Baseball Trade Values has him listed as the #8 asset overall in the entire organization with a value of Mitch Keller or Jonathan Aranda.

I don't believe for a second that Milwaukee would shop him, but if he was traded he would have to bring back an absolute stud.

Some people way overvalue our prospects. An "absolute stud" is nonsense

Pratt is nice player, but hasn't shown anything outstanding yet to be considered non tradeable unless a stud.

Yeah, I appreciate RS's insights on prospects a lot and I read all of his posts, but it's hard to reconcile that with the dogmatic approach to trading prospects. It almost feels like he cares more about wins and losses in the minor leagues than in the majors. If you draft and develop players well, there's not even room for all of them on the major league club.

If you keep a 50 FV prospect as a backup plan at a key position and he ends up being stuck behind a stud for years, and you had a chance to trade him 3 years earlier for a really good player at a position of dire need when you had a chance to win a **** world series, you squandered a lot of that prospect's value by NOT trading him.

And I'm not a win-now guy by any stretch of the imagination. I could literally defend a Peralta trade with a straight face if the return was good, but I'd still want them to go get at least one good bat, preferably two.

If you're telling me we can get a young, awesome shortstop with years of control, then of course I'd be in favor of bringing them in. But those guys aren't typically on the table. If you're going by Fangraphs trade values the only players we have that could conceivably bring back someone like Zach Neto, Masyn Wynn, Jacob Wilson, or CJ Abrams is Misiorowski and Chourio. **** if I'm giving either of those two up.

[VooDoo7]

I get wanting to hold onto prospects. But I'm also tired of just making the playoffs every year only to get bounced right away. We have the best record in baseball right now. If we aren't gonna 'go for it' now, when are we?? Isn't it about making noise in the playoffs? Well, we're here now. No telling what the future holds.

There isn't really a "go for it" trade out there, though.

Honestly I had my train attached mainly to Suárez. Obviously I wouldn't give up Made etc to get it done. But I thought we had a real shot at getting him if we really wanted to.

[mlloyd10]

On MLB's Pipeline pod they listed Cooper Pratt as one of the most likely top 100 prospects to be moved. Just for the sake of comparison, Baseball Trade Values has him listed as the #8 asset overall in the entire organization with a value of Mitch Keller or Jonathan Aranda.

I don't believe for a second that Milwaukee would shop him, but if he was traded he would have to bring back an absolute stud.

Some people way overvalue our prospects. An "absolute stud" is nonsense

Pratt is nice player, but hasn't shown anything outstanding yet to be considered non tradeable unless a stud.

He's a consensus top 50 prospect. He'd have to bring back an All-Star caliber player.

Him alone wont bring back that - He would just be a piece.

[Turk Nowitzki]

This screams "Brewers, but they're haggling over the price because Arnold doesn't think he's worth that much".

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[Kerb Hohl]

The new playoff format + teams getting smarter and smarter makes it very hard to find a good "buy" trade unless you can backfill things with $100 million of free agents in future seasons.

Again, had they gotten Suarez for a reasonable haul, I'd be excited. But I think it cannot be overstated enough how little such moves add to your championship odds. Just make the playoffs every year for the next decade and you've got a better chance of it.

[MVP2110]

Nestor Cortes for Devin Williams. Who says no?

[Turk Nowitzki]

Nestor Cortes for Devin Williams. Who says no?

I would say no. Not really interested in a Devin reunion.

[jakecronus8]

Baltimore is allegedly asking too much for Ohearn. Thats fine. If this is a stand pat deadline so be it. There is not a break the bank guy out there that makes sense. Don't do anything stupid.