Tracking Former Wizards 4.0

AFM · Post #541 » by **AFM** » Tue Jul 29, 2025 7:35 pm

doclinkin wrote:I’d rather retire Zero. Nobody wore it before Gil. He made the number hot.

Agreed, its been too long

Post #542 » by **nate33** » Tue Jul 29, 2025 8:01 pm

GoneShammGone wrote:
AFM wrote:It's the offseason, so why not talk about this:

Watch on YouTube

What does the board think? Will they retire either of these fellas' numbers? Wall I think has to be a shoe-in eventually. Even if things didn't end great.

I'm gonna have to say no to both. Not that they weren't successful players... but retire the jersey?

Retiring jerseys is something you do for guys who win championships or go to the Hall of Fame or something. John and Brad led us to three second-round playoff series. Let's not get carried away.

The Wizards/Bullets have had so few guys who played 8+ years of their prime in DC and can be considered Wizards/Bullets for virtually their entire career. Off the top of my head, there's just Wes Unseld, Elvin Hayes, Gus Johnson, Kevin Loughery, Phil Chenier Greg Ballard, Charles Jones (the Secret Weapon), Brendan Haywood, Beal and Wall. Even Jeff Malone played only 7 years.

Just based on longevity alone, Beal and Wall deserve some serious consideration. They rank 3rd and 4th respectively in total minutes. They rank 2nd and 4th in total points, 2nd and 1st in total steals, 3rd and 1st in total assists. Yeah, they haven't won anything, but no Wizard in 46 years has won anything. In terms of career numbers, they are both among the top 4 greatest Wizards alongside Wes and Hayes.

queridiculo · Post #543 » by **queridiculo** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 12:44 pm

nate33 wrote:
GoneShammGone wrote:
AFM wrote:It's the offseason, so why not talk about this:

Watch on YouTube

What does the board think? Will they retire either of these fellas' numbers? Wall I think has to be a shoe-in eventually. Even if things didn't end great.

I'm gonna have to say no to both. Not that they weren't successful players... but retire the jersey?

Retiring jerseys is something you do for guys who win championships or go to the Hall of Fame or something. John and Brad led us to three second-round playoff series. Let's not get carried away.

The Wizards/Bullets have had so few guys who played 8+ years of their prime in DC and can be considered Wizards/Bullets for virtually their entire career. Off the top of my head, there's just Wes Unseld, Elvin Hayes, Gus Johnson, Kevin Loughery, Phil Chenier Greg Ballard, Charles Jones (the Secret Weapon), Brendan Haywood, Beal and Wall. Even Jeff Malone played only 7 years.

Just based on longevity alone, Beal and Wall deserve some serious consideration. They rank 3rd and 4th respectively in total minutes. They rank 2nd and 4th in total points, 2nd and 1st in total steals, 3rd and 1st in total assists. Yeah, they haven't won anything, but no Wizard in 46 years has won anything. In terms of career numbers, they are both among the top 4 greatest Wizards alongside Wes and Hayes.

Beal's and Wall's jerseys hanging up in the rafters would be the attendance championship banner of retired numbers.

I don't care what the numbers say, enough with celebrating mediocrity.

Post #544 » by **nate33** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:16 pm

queridiculo wrote:Beal's and Wall's jerseys hanging up in the rafters would be the attendance championship banner of retired numbers.

I don't care what the numbers say, enough with celebrating mediocrity.

Fair enough. I'm not necessarily advocating for their jerseys to be retired. I'm just saying if any jerseys should hang from the rafters besides Unseld and Hayes and Chenier, Beal and Wall are next in line.

If Gus Johnson and Earl Monroe have their jerseys retired, why wouldn't Wall and Beal? Wall and Beal made more All Star games (when it was much tougher to make an All-Star game) and they posted much higher career numbers.

And frankly, I'm not so sure Phil Chenier should rank above Beal and Wall. The guy made just 3 All Star games when there were only 22 teams in the league. He had a 5-year run of team success with Chenier as the team's 3rd best player, with the Bullets winning 52, 47, 60, 48 and 48 games respectively. But in their title run and follow-up Finals run, Chenier missed most of each season and all of each playoffs.

AFM · Post #545 » by **AFM** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:17 pm

Nate, you've got Beal over Arenas?

Post #546 » by **nate33** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:20 pm

AFM wrote:Nate, you've got Beal over Arenas?

Arenas was unquestionably a better player than Beal. But if we are talking about retired jerseys, I don't consider Arenas' 4.5 healthy seasons in Washington enough to offset Beal's 11 productive years here.

closg00 · Post #547 » by **closg00** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:48 pm

Back to the G-League, or last stop for PBJR?
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281540/Clippers-Waive-Patrick-Baldwin-Jr-From-Two-Way

Post #548 » by **LyricalRico** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 4:07 pm

nate33 wrote:Just based on longevity alone, Beal and Wall deserve some serious consideration. They rank 3rd and 4th respectively in total minutes. They rank 2nd and 4th in total points, 2nd and 1st in total steals, 3rd and 1st in total assists. Yeah, they haven't won anything, but no Wizard in 46 years has won anything. In terms of career numbers, they are both among the top 4 greatest Wizards alongside Wes and Hayes.

True

queridiculo wrote:Beal's and Wall's jerseys hanging up in the rafters would be the attendance championship banner of retired numbers.

Also true

dorianwrite · Post #549 » by **dorianwrite** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 7:54 pm

Good. Get this moron off the streets. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45861931/gilbert-arenas-arrested-charges-illegal-poker-games

Eta, if he did it, blah blah blah.

queridiculo · Post #550 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 4:47 pm

dorianwrite wrote:Good. Get this moron off the streets. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45861931/gilbert-arenas-arrested-charges-illegal-poker-games

Eta, if he did it, blah blah blah.

Yeah, total threat to his community.

We should bring the full force of the federal government against perpetrators of victimless crimes.

dorianwrite · Post #551 » by **dorianwrite** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 8:56 pm

queridiculo wrote:
dorianwrite wrote:Good. Get this moron off the streets. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45861931/gilbert-arenas-arrested-charges-illegal-poker-games

Eta, if he did it, blah blah blah.

Yeah, total threat to his community.

We should bring the full force of the federal government against perpetrators of victimless crimes.

There's nothing so stupid, criminal, or harmful Gil can do that some fan of his won't excuse it away.

AFM · Post #552 » by **AFM** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:10 pm

Where’s the harm though? He’s playing cards in his house lol.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #553 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:34 pm

I guess it's okay as long as it wasn't strip poker with underage models from across state lines.

Kanyewest · Post #554 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Aug 2, 2025 3:05 am

Javale McGee signing in the NBL (Puerto Rican League)
https://www.espn.com.au/nbl/story/_/id/45876400/illawarra-hawks-sign-three-nba-champion-javale-mcgee

closg00 · Post #555 » by **closg00** » Sat Aug 9, 2025 5:55 pm

9 Lives Baldwin

Read on Twitter

AFM · Post #556 » by **AFM** » Wed Aug 13, 2025 1:51 am

I recognize a certain somebody

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-qstAHu70O/?igsh=OTcxbnN3ZnRpNHdq

AFM · Post #557 » by **AFM** » Tue Aug 19, 2025 4:00 pm

payitforward · Post #558 » by **payitforward** » Wed Aug 20, 2025 12:00 am

As so often, your concision here is admirable, AFM.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #559 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Wed Aug 20, 2025 3:44 am

Eighteen years later, I was definitely all wrong.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2007.html

Marco Belinelli just retired.

I recall arguing vociferously (in 2007) that Morris Almond would be a better NBA player than both Nick Young and Marco Belinelli.

It turns out that Belinelli and Young produced very similar results. Marco played a year longer. Their career shooting, assists, and rebounds were virtually identical.

Almond had a very marginal career. By far, he was worse than Belinelli or Nick Young. When Morris Almond was drafted, I assumed he would get to the line a ton in the NBA. I thought he was better than JJ Reddick.

Wrong!

Almond was a career .294 3FG% shooter. Terrible player.

payitforward · Post #560 » by **payitforward** » Wed Aug 20, 2025 1:36 pm

"Wrong" is what we all are most of the time when we predict the future....