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Post #1761 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:21 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:He really might be. But no reason not to start him on the two way and convert him later if he proves himself in his 50 game limit.

When Dallas trades for Lebron there will be roster spots aplenty....

Devilanche · Post #1762 » by **Devilanche** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 10:57 pm

What could below package net OKC ?

Probably shedding one roster spot and looking at future pick with expiring.

1) Dieng
2) Dieng + Joe

Dieng 6.7m expiring
Joe 3 years 36m total , descending contract

Godaddycurse · Post #1763 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:31 pm

Devilanche wrote:What could below package net OKC ?

Probably shedding one roster spot and looking at future pick with expiring.

1) Dieng
2) Dieng + Joe

Dieng 6.7m expiring
Joe 3 years 36m total , descending contract

Considering OKC had to give a 2nd rd pick to dump dillon jones, i dont see why they would get anything back for Dieng who is more exp and haven't shown much more in the league in 3 years

enzino · Post #1764 » by **enzino** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 1:38 pm

BOS get a very good young center, drop about 33 M USD from current payroll
JAZZ get a FRP and bigman depth
BRK eat salary this year, but create cap room for the next

SkyHook · Post #1765 » by **SkyHook** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 2:32 pm

enzino wrote:
BOS get a very good young center, drop about 33 M USD from current payroll
JAZZ get a FRP and bigman depth
BRK eat salary this year, but create cap room for the next

If the Celtics pick was unprotected the Jazz might at least think about this, but they'd probably still decline.

Post #1766 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 2:40 pm

Devilanche wrote:What could below package net OKC ?

Probably shedding one roster spot and looking at future pick with expiring.

1) Dieng
2) Dieng + Joe

Dieng 6.7m expiring
Joe 3 years 36m total , descending contract

Is Dieng even going to make the final roster for the Thunder this season? He's basically in Okeke territory.

SkyHook · Post #1767 » by **SkyHook** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 2:56 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Devilanche wrote:What could below package net OKC ?

Probably shedding one roster spot and looking at future pick with expiring.

1) Dieng
2) Dieng + Joe

Dieng 6.7m expiring
Joe 3 years 36m total , descending contract

Is Dieng even going to make the final roster for the Thunder this season? He's basically in Okeke territory.

This. I like what they found in Leons this summer more than anything I've seen from Dieng in his career. They signed him to a make good training camp deal just yesterday. From the Jazz perspective, I hope that the Thunder keep Dieng and Leons shakes loose.

Post #1768 » by **penbeast0** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:51 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Devilanche wrote:What could below package net OKC ?

Probably shedding one roster spot and looking at future pick with expiring.

1) Dieng
2) Dieng + Joe

Dieng 6.7m expiring
Joe 3 years 36m total , descending contract

Considering OKC had to give a 2nd rd pick to dump dillon jones, i dont see why they would get anything back for Dieng who is more exp and haven't shown much more in the league in 3 years

Dillon Jones showed badly last year (and I'm a Wiz fan who hopes he will become good). Couldn't shoot twos, couldn't shoot 3's, couldn't shoot FTs, and didn't really do that much otherwise. His splits are 38/25/61, that's bad. He was a rookie so he's young enough to turn it around of course.

Dieng has admittedly been equally bad and, as pointed out, for 3 years though at least he has size.

Isiah Joe, on the other hand, is an excellent shooter with 2 guard size though he didn't start showing out until his 3rd year.

Devilanche · Post #1769 » by **Devilanche** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:22 pm

SkyHook wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Devilanche wrote:What could below package net OKC ?

Probably shedding one roster spot and looking at future pick with expiring.

1) Dieng
2) Dieng + Joe

Dieng 6.7m expiring
Joe 3 years 36m total , descending contract

Is Dieng even going to make the final roster for the Thunder this season? He's basically in Okeke territory.

This. I like what they found in Leons this summer more than anything I've seen from Dieng in his career. They signed him to a make good training camp deal just yesterday. From the Jazz perspective, I hope that the Thunder keep Dieng and Leons shakes loose.

My guess is that Dieng will get traded eventually but no clue is that start of season or trade deadline .

The trade offer was just to see how badly his value has tanked.

Generally folks in final year of rookie contract is a top 55 protected kind of value OR for other final year rookie contract guys.

Devilanche · Post #1770 » by **Devilanche** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:23 pm

penbeast0 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Devilanche wrote:What could below package net OKC ?

Probably shedding one roster spot and looking at future pick with expiring.

1) Dieng
2) Dieng + Joe

Dieng 6.7m expiring
Joe 3 years 36m total , descending contract

Considering OKC had to give a 2nd rd pick to dump dillon jones, i dont see why they would get anything back for Dieng who is more exp and haven't shown much more in the league in 3 years

Dillon Jones showed badly last year (and I'm a Wiz fan who hopes he will become good). Couldn't shoot twos, couldn't shoot 3's, couldn't shoot FTs, and didn't really do that much otherwise. His splits are 38/25/61, that's bad. He was a rookie so he's young enough to turn it around of course.

Dieng has admittedly been equally bad and, as pointed out, for 3 years though at least he has size.

Isiah Joe, on the other hand, is an excellent shooter with 2 guard size though he didn't start showing out until his 3rd year.

Did Dillon at least perform somewhat in summer league ? He needs a lot of time to work through his way to try and be serviceable but even then probably a deep bench piece.

Post #1771 » by **gswhoops** » Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:34 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Devilanche wrote:What could below package net OKC ?

Probably shedding one roster spot and looking at future pick with expiring.

1) Dieng
2) Dieng + Joe

Dieng 6.7m expiring
Joe 3 years 36m total , descending contract

Considering OKC had to give a 2nd rd pick to dump dillon jones, i dont see why they would get anything back for Dieng who is more exp and haven't shown much more in the league in 3 years

Dieng is definitely a guy you have to pay to dump into an open roster space at this point.

Dieng + Joe might get some takers, though it'd mostly be teams interested in Joe eating Dieng as part of the cost.

Post #1772 » by **penbeast0** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 11:21 am

Devilanche wrote:Did Dillon at least perform somewhat in summer league ? He needs a lot of time to work through his way to try and be serviceable but even then probably a deep bench piece.

Stats say he shot well from 2, but poorly from 3 (.483/.250/.786), reports on the Wiz board said he hustled on defense. Didn't stand out, didn't run himself out of the league.

SkyHook · Post #1773 » by **SkyHook** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 2:00 pm

Not worthy of its own thread, but I like the pickup of Juzang by Minnesota. He'll replace most of what they lost in NAW on the offensive end and I believe he's got the tools to be a better defender than he had shown amid the chaos in Utah. I like him better on a minimum deal than NAW (who I also like) at $15MM.

mg · Post #1774 » by mg » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:04 pm

SkyHook wrote:Not worthy of its own thread, but I like the pickup of Juzang by Minnesota. He'll replace most of what they lost in NAW on the offensive end and I believe he's got the tools to be a better defender than he had shown amid the chaos in Utah. I like him better on a minimum deal than NAW (who I also like) at $15MM.

Agreed. Juzang has really only one offensive skill and that is to shoot the ball, which he has done at a high level since HS and college. He should be able to contribute as a shooter off the bench on a min deal. NBA comparison might be someone like Duncan Robinson.

jayjaysee · Post #1775 » by **jayjaysee** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:20 pm

Any fun in Utah offering Chicago some first for a sign and trade of Giddey?

They have the Collins TPE - so Chicago wouldn’t have to take back salary and Giddey gets a deal like 4yr112.. or it can be flat/front loaded if that’s too much in your opinion..

You could play with salaries.. like Nurk+George+first for (one of Vuc/Collins/Huerter) and +Giddey, and be able to give Giddey like 32 first year and frontload the deal..

Imagine Utah should just stay committed to the tank for another year and keep their first.. But just a random bad idea..

Post #1776 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 3:31 pm

mg wrote:
SkyHook wrote:Not worthy of its own thread, but I like the pickup of Juzang by Minnesota. He'll replace most of what they lost in NAW on the offensive end and I believe he's got the tools to be a better defender than he had shown amid the chaos in Utah. I like him better on a minimum deal than NAW (who I also like) at $15MM.

Agreed. Juzang has really only one offensive skill and that is to shoot the ball, which he has done at a high level since HS and college. He should be able to contribute as a shooter off the bench on a min deal. NBA comparison might be someone like Duncan Robinson.

So its 2025 and we have more in depth shooting data, and Duncan Robinson has some of the most valuable shooting seasons of all-time. It's not just his percentages but also how he can shoot coming off screens at full speed, has an instant release, not a corner specialist or catch and shoot specialist etc...

I know you mean well, but it really is important to realize there are levels to this and it goes well beyond just what percentage you shoot. For but one simple example look at the 3P% for Delon Wright his one year in Dallas -- 37% very solid. Davis Bertans over two partial seasons in Dallas shot 36% and 39% respectively. Or about the same. Yet I can assure you Bertans was creating infinitely more space because of how scared teams were of him because of his size, the fastest release in the world, his ability to shoot from well beyond the arc. etc... Wright would have wide open 3's in the corner and hesitate and teams just yawned.

Juzang may be a useful piece for the Wolves. I hope he is, but Robinson is not just a random shooter. There is a reason he has gotten the contracts he has. Robinson is much more like Kyle Korver than he is Juzang.

Post #1777 » by **gswhoops** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 4:00 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
mg wrote:
SkyHook wrote:Not worthy of its own thread, but I like the pickup of Juzang by Minnesota. He'll replace most of what they lost in NAW on the offensive end and I believe he's got the tools to be a better defender than he had shown amid the chaos in Utah. I like him better on a minimum deal than NAW (who I also like) at $15MM.

Agreed. Juzang has really only one offensive skill and that is to shoot the ball, which he has done at a high level since HS and college. He should be able to contribute as a shooter off the bench on a min deal. NBA comparison might be someone like Duncan Robinson.

So its 2025 and we have more in depth shooting data, and Duncan Robinson has some of the most valuable shooting seasons of all-time. It's not just his percentages but also how he can shoot coming off screens at full speed, has an instant release, not a corner specialist or catch and shoot specialist etc...

I know you mean well, but it really is important to realize there are levels to this and it goes well beyond just what percentage you shoot. For but one simple example look at the 3P% for Delon Wright his one year in Dallas -- 37% very solid. Davis Bertans over two partial seasons in Dallas shot 36% and 39% respectively. Or about the same. Yet I can assure you Bertans was creating infinitely more space because of how scared teams were of him because of his size, the fastest release in the world, his ability to shoot from well beyond the arc. etc... Wright would have wide open 3's in the corner and hesitate and teams just yawned.

Juzang may be a useful piece for the Wolves. I hope he is, but Robinson is not just a random shooter. There is a reason he has gotten the contracts he has. Robinson is much more like Kyle Korver than he is Juzang.

Agree with all of this, which is not to say that I dislike the Wolves adding Juzang as an end of the bench guy. There's certainly value to a guy who can reliably hit C&S 3s, especially one like Juzang with decent enough size to survive on the wing.

My favorite example of this: Draymond shot almost 40% from 3 in 23-24 (39.5%), but it wasn't like teams were suddenly sprinting over to close out on an open Draymond 3.

Post #1778 » by **oldncreaky** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 4:47 pm

gswhoops wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
mg wrote:
Agreed. Juzang has really only one offensive skill and that is to shoot the ball, which he has done at a high level since HS and college. He should be able to contribute as a shooter off the bench on a min deal. NBA comparison might be someone like Duncan Robinson.

So its 2025 and we have more in depth shooting data, and Duncan Robinson has some of the most valuable shooting seasons of all-time. It's not just his percentages but also how he can shoot coming off screens at full speed, has an instant release, not a corner specialist or catch and shoot specialist etc...

I know you mean well, but it really is important to realize there are levels to this and it goes well beyond just what percentage you shoot. For but one simple example look at the 3P% for Delon Wright his one year in Dallas -- 37% very solid. Davis Bertans over two partial seasons in Dallas shot 36% and 39% respectively. Or about the same. Yet I can assure you Bertans was creating infinitely more space because of how scared teams were of him because of his size, the fastest release in the world, his ability to shoot from well beyond the arc. etc... Wright would have wide open 3's in the corner and hesitate and teams just yawned.

Juzang may be a useful piece for the Wolves. I hope he is, but Robinson is not just a random shooter. There is a reason he has gotten the contracts he has. Robinson is much more like Kyle Korver than he is Juzang.

Agree with all of this, which is not to say that I dislike the Wolves adding Juzang as an end of the bench guy. There's certainly value to a guy who can reliably hit C&S 3s, especially one like Juzang with decent enough size to survive on the wing.

My favorite example of this: Draymond shot almost 40% from 3 in 23-24 (39.5%), but it wasn't like teams were suddenly sprinting over to close out on an open Draymond 3.

Yep, context matters.

Jacob Poeltl is a career 43% on 3s (no lie, no green text)

parsnips33 · Post #1779 » by **parsnips33** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 5:02 pm

Why do I get this feeling that the Warriors actually do something today :lol:

A guy can hope

SkyHook · Post #1780 » by **SkyHook** » Fri Aug 1, 2025 5:15 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Any fun in Utah offering Chicago some first for a sign and trade of Giddey?

They have the Collins TPE - so Chicago wouldn’t have to take back salary and Giddey gets a deal like 4yr112.. or it can be flat/front loaded if that’s too much in your opinion..

You could play with salaries.. like Nurk+George+first for (one of Vuc/Collins/Huerter) and +Giddey, and be able to give Giddey like 32 first year and frontload the deal..

Imagine Utah should just stay committed to the tank for another year and keep their first.. But just a random bad idea..

I agree with the bolded. And I'd rather not be the team paying Giddey $32MM, even on a declining deal.