Where Jonathan Kuminga ends ?

[marthafokker]

When I saw the length GS is going to 2 years 45 million, makes me think there is movement, and that the Warriors are leaning towards claiming Kuminga as an asset. I believe his most likely destination is starting to look more and more like GS. Only the Nets can force the Warriors to break the bank, but GS has plenty of money to lock in their assets. It's a nice thought for bidders to aim to get something for nothing. But I think the Warriors refuse to lose Kuminga for nothing. Yes, their budget is bloated by 3 vets, but they're wise enough and plenty rich to keep one eye on the future.

He's not going anywhere in my humble opinion.

Did you see the team option for the 1+1? Not player option that most would think it be.

This might go nuclear.. Dubs pressed that button already.

[Onlytimewilltel]

Can we change the topic title so it doesn’t read like some doomsday scenario lol

[sp6r=underrated]

This is just a lose-lose outcome for both parties. Kuminga is going to get way less job security than he hoped and the Warriors aren't going to get him on a contract that nets a decent package.

[Crives]

Why do I feel like this is what’s going to happen

1. Kuminga accepts QO
2. Warriors cut Kuminga as he becomes problem in locker room and uses NTC. possibly stretch and waive.

[Celts17Pride]

This is heading to Kuminga accepting the QO and becoming an UFA next year.

[DB23]

So all these matchups names a take from the sky? Go to NBA.COM and look. Also I talk only about rebounding, nothing more. Total package cost max deal on contending teams. A lot of players cost max deals on avg or bad teams w/o total packages. We talk about 20/23mln per year player. About what total packages are you talking here? These are players Claxton/Hart/Monk/P.Williams/Caruso who got new contracts around Kuminga price in last 2 years and he is youngest from them all, only 22y old.

You need to look at basketball beyond just stats imo.

I’ve watched most kuminga games in his career and he’s frequently In the wrong place or doing something dumb to kill momentum. 20 mil is fine. But he’s demanding 30+ and In this cba it’s crazy to do that for anyone.

I saw a lot of dumb plays from Green and Curry per their careers. So dumb what you can't logically explain what they were thinking at the time. Kuminga is only 22years old,for example Green had zero NBA games at this age. I could say that 70% of NBA players could have problems to fit in Green/Curry/Kerr system, but it doesnt mean that they are bad players (Schroder/Paul/Durant/Lee and others). Durant even didn't want to play for Kerr system after one year and he iso'ed a lot after that.

I dont say that Kuminga price is 30mln, it's not. But he has value around 20m/y in NBA and must have opportunity for other role/team, than stanting in the corner and waiting to cut or shoot open 3P.

It really depends what your expectations for him are.

I think he is an empty calories guy ala cam
Thomas but with a better physical body and less feel for the game.

Can’t really thing of another great player that couldn’t just shown it on the court and had to be in exactly the right situation. Plenty of mediocre guys like that though.

Honestly I’m not sure what the pro kuminga guys see at all beyond “potential” certainly not much on the basketball court.

[Kawaii Leonard]

In limbo on Kerr’s bench

[dk1115]

This is gonna suck for him. He’s gonna nerlens noel himself. No one’s looking for a mid level guy who can’t shoot. He can probably be a low end number one for a bad team, but that’s about it

[-Spyda-]

Warriors get 1st unprotected pick and move on

[Black Jack]

So bad to not flip him awhile back, he needs to be on an up and coming team not a (aspiring) contender built around Curry.

I do think everyone's too negative on him and he can be a good player in the league. Needs more reps.

[marthafokker]

Warriors get 1st unprotected pick and move on

Not going to happen this off season.

Dubs already shutdown all takers because they are mad they can't get more than a few 2nds for a player they don't like. And tells the league he is a loser.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kuminga doesn't fit the Warriors.

The Kuminga archtype fits the Warriors extremely well. A decent version of Kuminga is *exactly* what GS needed. I loved the draft pick at the time. He is the only guy on the whole damn team why can finish over people inside, or get to the line trying to (and don't say Butler; those days are gone).

If he would simply rebound the damn ball he would be an ok fit already. If he defended better as well he would be a really nice fit.

He never rebounded or played defense. He was always a guy that wanted the ball and to score. It never made sense.

[floppymoose]

I disagree with the implication that he thinks he should take the shot. He is very willing to pass the rock. The issue is that he is young and struggling with his handle, so he will only see the teammate if the teammate is in his frontal quadrant of vision.

One of the things i liked about him even in g-league was his willingness to give up his shot for a better shot. He just doesnt have pg handle or vision.

[Devilanche]

Honestly I’m not sure what the pro kuminga guys see at all beyond “potential” certainly not much on the basketball court.

They just want to see him get playing time , to see if there’s anything there.

Potentially if he’s paid off his potential and what he’s already shown , seems to be 20-25m contract kind of guy at his potential/age/performance split.

He’s not going to get all those developmental minutes on GSW though.

[giberish]

In limbo on Kerr’s bench

It will be interesting to see how responsible everyone is. The Warriors just aren't deep enough to bury Kuminga. They're going to need him, at least as a rotation player and almost certainly as a starter for stretches. Meanwhile Kuminga needs to show he can effectively contribute to a good team in order to get paid next summer.

If they work together this could work out both ways. This could easily be the last competing season for the Warriors - having Kuminga on a pretty cheap contract playing motivated ball and giving room under the 2nd apron hard cap can certainly be better than most S&T options that get a more expensive player in return that probably hard-caps GS at the 1st apron making everything very salary tight all season and who may not be that good or a good position fit. Missing on a late 1st at the start of the post-Curry rebuild isn't that important. And if it does work out Kuminga probably does get a big contract as a UFA next summer.

[dolphinatik]

No way the Warrior believe this will work.
Warriors know that some team will overpay for Kuminga at some point during the season.
But if they are wrong and cant find a good its going to be a huge mistake.
History shows Warriors have always been open to moving their stars.
He will be a Warrior at the start of the season.

[OxAndFox]

Kuminga should be more of Aaron Gordon on Nuggets and less of Aaron Gordon on Magic to have much better career.

Less jumpshots and dribbling, more focus on defense, using advantage of size & leaping for missmatch opportunities and simply rebound like person with his physical profile should.

He should have near 70% of all shots taken inside 10 feet. Rest should be catch & shoot.

I've always thought of AG being one of those guys that don't come around too often ie scorer early in his career with a healthy ego of being the man almost and then just becoming a better star because he does everything else. I know that's not expanding on the situations. Not suggesting Kuminga is the next, but it's a really good observation IMO.

[OxAndFox]

Why do I feel like this is what’s going to happen

1. Kuminga accepts QO
2. Warriors cut Kuminga as he becomes problem in locker room and uses NTC. possibly stretch and waive.

Just don't see Kuminga being a locker room problem. Definitely not with Dray and Jimmy in there (for some reason I have that Jimmy with longer straight hair in a red Miami uni - and then him sitting in the corner of the GSW locker room doing that "Oh no you didn't" to Kuminga if he did something.

Anyway. On a more serious note. When Kuminga accepts the QO he will absolutely be strung out to dry, yet again by Steve Kerr who has no idea how to run a functional team that isn't an ATG squad. His ability to destroy young players careers is completely unmatched in the NBA.

[7seventynine9]

Honestly I’m not sure what the pro kuminga guys see at all beyond “potential” certainly not much on the basketball court.

They just want to see him get playing time , to see if there’s anything there.

Potentially if he’s paid off his potential and what he’s already shown , seems to be 20-25m contract kind of guy at his potential/age/performance split.

He’s not going to get all those developmental minutes on GSW though.

But he got playing time. It's not like he was picking up DNP-CDs or playing 4 minutes at the end of blow outs. The real problem is he hasn't really improved from year 1 to year 4. He just played more.

He's still somewhat young but he's also been in the league for 4 years. And while there are some players who take leaps in their age 23 season, those players tend to be in their 3rd year, not their 5th. I'd guess Kuminga is what he is, with incremential improvmeent from here on out.

I'm also not sure how much potential people see in Kuminga. If Aaron Gordon is the upside, that's not far away from where Kumnga is at now. I'm not sure there are many people who think Kuminga has the potential to be a 1 or 2 on a contender.

[DonaldSanders]

Anyway. On a more serious note. When Kuminga accepts the QO he will absolutely be strung out to dry, yet again by Steve Kerr who has no idea how to run a functional team that isn't an ATG squad. His ability to destroy young players careers is completely unmatched in the NBA.

Yeah, look at all those young guys who flourished after they left Golden State. There's uh... hmmm... who?

You must be really high on Jordan Poole, Patrick McCaw, Ryan Rollins, James Wiseman, and Patrick Baldwin.