A RealGM Scandal, and a Conversation about Projects

[Texas Chuck]

The views of the people who see this board as a fun hobby while they're on a tram are no less valid than others either.

Agree 100%.

But the people saying none of this matters, integrity of the forum doesn't matter because they see it as a lark, then their input on how to handle things moving forward should not matter.

Your engagement on the board as a poster in regular topics absolutely matters as much as as any other poster. But those who care about the board's integrity should manage that aspect, and those who don't care(though obviously you care as you keep spamming some version of this over and over again) should stay out of something of minimal importance to them.

That's what any decent human being does. They don't try and dictate and control things of minimal importance to them to people who are more invested than them. Nobody thinks you should care any more than you do. Just a fun way to pas time on the train? Cool.

Your need to manipulate this though is getting almost as weird as the guy trying to manipulate the project. Don't care? Cool. Let others handle it. Some of us think this place is worth saving. Worth maintaining some credibility. Let them. You can still post for fun on the train.

[NO-KG-AI]

The views of the people who see this board as a fun hobby while they're on a tram are no less valid than others either.

Agree 100%.

But the people saying none of this matters, integrity of the forum doesn't matter because they see it as a lark, then their input on how to handle things moving forward should not matter.

Your engagement on the board as a poster in regular topics absolutely matters as much as as any other poster. But those who care about the board's integrity should manage that aspect, and those who don't care(though obviously you care as you keep spamming some version of this over and over again) should stay out of something of minimal importance to them.

That's what any decent human being does. They don't try and dictate and control things of minimal importance to them to people who are more invested than them. Nobody thinks you should care any more than you do. Just a fun way to pas time on the train? Cool.

Your need to manipulate this though is getting almost as weird as the guy trying to manipulate the project. Don't care? Cool. Let others handle it. Some of us think this place is worth saving. Worth maintaining some credibility. Let them. You can still post for fun on the train.

What’s more crazy, saying this place matters(me) or saying it doesn’t matter while having almost 2x the posts per day of the guy who thinks it is important to people?

[Tomtolbert]

I'm not sure what's more unhealthy; those 2 trying to rig a message board poll, or posters in here talking about how this is a scandal on their 'hallowed ground' that has rocked them to the core of their beings.

I'm pretty sure it's the former. Your framing aside.

[EmpireFalls]

This thread has piqued my conspiratorial scent and I swear, I can sense at least 3-4 alt accounts in this very thread alone. I don’t have proof but I can’t help but notice them. It’s really bizarre, maybe I’m going crazy.

[Cavsfansince84]

I'm not sure what's more unhealthy; those 2 trying to rig a message board poll, or posters in here talking about how this is a scandal on their 'hallowed ground' that has rocked them to the core of their beings.

I'm pretty sure it's the former. Your framing aside.

The hyperbole being used by One and Done here to just make a snarky comment is unreal to me. It just shows the degree that a lack of respect exists for everyone on this board imo and what it takes to build up a forum that's existed for over 20 years on the internet. It reminds me of kids who get caught spraying graffiti all over someone's business and afterwards act like it was just a joke and why is this guy so mad about it.

[One_and_Done]

I'm not sure what's more unhealthy; those 2 trying to rig a message board poll, or posters in here talking about how this is a scandal on their 'hallowed ground' that has rocked them to the core of their beings.

I'm pretty sure it's the former. Your framing aside.

The hyperbole being used by One and Done here to just make a snarky comment is unreal to me. It just shows the degree that a lack of respect exists for everyone on this board imo and what it takes to build up a forum that's existed for over 20 years on the internet. It reminds me of kids who get caught spraying graffiti all over someone's business and afterwards act like it was just a joke and why is this guy so mad about it.

Well the store owner actually owns that business, he has a right to be upset. Whereas, I think a misplaced sense of 'ownership' of the board (on both sides) is what leads to problems like this. That is not to suggest Enigma and KD are not 'wronger' in this instance though, as they obviously are.

[jalengreen]

This thread has piqued my conspiratorial scent and I swear, I can sense at least 3-4 alt accounts in this very thread alone. I don’t have proof but I can’t help but notice them. It’s really bizarre, maybe I’m going crazy.

For me it's that KembaWalker dude's posts quietly getting scrubbed. He had at least like 4 on this thread and they're all gone. Weird stuff

[TheGOATRises007]

I find certain posts in this thread pretty illuminating.

The fact that certain posters didn't seem bothered by what transpired is telling to me. The adree example posted(and I think he's a good poster too FWIW) showed that people always had a discontent for rigging the votes.

Bringing up examples of how like-minded voters being recruited was always a thing(never to the extreme we saw and never were those posters using AI responses in the discussion threads).

The numerous people who brought up that Doc or the mods only took issue because of the results itself(which was refuted numerous times) was truthfully preposterous.

I'm not saying someone's input is more valuable than someone else's.

But we should treat others with at least a modicum of respect. I feel like that's the main thing that's been lost lately on this board. Snarky comments or a snarky tone do no one any good.

[Cavsfansince84]

Well the store owner actually owns that business, he has a right to be upset. Whereas, I think a misplaced sense of 'ownership' of the board (on both sides) is what leads to problems like this. That is not to suggest Enigma and KD are not 'wronger' in this instance though, as they obviously are.

I normally have you on block but I am reading your response since I did comment on what you wrote. What you are missing here is that mods are custodians of this board for the actual owner of the site and beyond that, have invested much time and energy into trying to create an atmosphere that promotes healthy dialogue about bb. As have many posters who are not mods. The projects are something which are only done so often and requires months of time to complete so being extra outraged or w/e you want to call it over what happened is quite natural imo. They deliberately spat on the whole process just for their own ****'s and giggles or need for schadenfreude at the expense of people who they disagree with on here. So ya your whole shtick here of 'o what does it matter, this is just a message board to discuss bb' plus the hyperbole you used to make that point was ridiculous and it does remind me of teenage graffiti artists who just want to spray **** you on a wall because they have nothing better to do. Having said that, I'm not going to continue this dialogue with you and won't be reading any more responses.

[EmpireFalls]

This thread has piqued my conspiratorial scent and I swear, I can sense at least 3-4 alt accounts in this very thread alone. I don’t have proof but I can’t help but notice them. It’s really bizarre, maybe I’m going crazy.

For me it's that KembaWalker dude's posts quietly getting scrubbed. He had at least like 4 on this thread and they're all gone. Weird stuff

Trust me, I am noticing everything right now. I’ve been reading old posts too.

There’s a clear pattern to a few of them, one who is clearly trying to hide in plain sight, another who is obviously a formerly banned user trying to suck up to the mods, and another which seems too bombshelly to even accuse but undeniably feels like an alt. I can’t trust anyone.

[jjgp111292]

I'm not sure what's more unhealthy; those 2 trying to rig a message board poll, or posters in here talking about how this is a scandal on their 'hallowed ground' that has rocked them to the core of their beings.

I'm pretty sure it's the former. Your framing aside.

The hyperbole being used by One and Done here to just make a snarky comment is unreal to me. It just shows the degree that a lack of respect exists for everyone on this board imo and what it takes to build up a forum that's existed for over 20 years on the internet. It reminds me of kids who get caught spraying graffiti all over someone's business and afterwards act like it was just a joke and why is this guy so mad about it.

Well, "He's not here to make friends."

Why someone would choose to join any community - let alone one revolving around one of mankind's greatest contributors to friendship - and do it with such an antisocial mindset is anybody's guess, but hey.

(And I'm not saying you have to actively try to make friends. Im certainly not, but I'm also not deliberately coming in here with the mindset of Tiffany Pollard competing with 20 other women for the heart of a 50-year-old hypeman and recovering crack addict that resembles a sun-dried raisin with eyes either)

[taikibansei]

Here's a term perhaps new to some of you: Sayre's law, which states "In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." While the term in question may be unfamiliar--and that description kind of sucks--you've likely all read this famous example (purportedly from a 1997 speech by Henry Kissinger): "Academic politics are so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small."

I'm sure Kissinger would have said the exact same thing about the various threads here on RealGM.

I've been on these boards since 2008. That's a long, long time. Were there trolls when I started? Sure were. Are there trolls now? Yep. Over these years, I've dealt with both nutter "civilian" posters and nutter mods. (Indeed, magnumt and I first became friends when he intervened to protect me from one mod gone crazy.) Likely, trolls/the trolling will continue--here and elsewhere. More to the point, I'm sure I've made my fair share of "nutter" posts myself. Oh well.

I read this particular board to learn more about the analytics of basketball. Do I agree with everything posted? Nope. And this is true with each and every poster here. I don't normally post to this board because RealGM is a hobby, and the analytical standard on this particular board is higher than the effort I'm willing to put in. That said, I've learned a lot reading this board, and I agree with a lot posted here. OhayoKD made some good posts--side note, but I've wondered from the user name whether he/she is or knows Japanese (as ohayo = good morning)--but anybody so determined to "win" an internet debate is best gone (for his/her mental health as well as ours).

Moving forward, I personally like the idea of adding a minimum post count to participate in the projects (though I'd keep it low--say 50 posts to threads on this board), and I humbly feel a quicker trigger on "time outs" (not banning) for clearly uncivil thread conduct might be warranted, but I'd be hesitant about making too many more changes. You can't stop crazy, and nothing kills a board quicker than mod overreaction in an attempt to try.

My two yen, anyways.

[1993Playoffs]

What scandal? lol I haven’t been on as much lately

[f4p]

The views of the people who see this board as a fun hobby while they're on a tram are no less valid than others either.

I mean yeah, they kinda are, at least for the purposes of what projects should be.

[Special_Puppy]

What scandal? lol I haven’t been on as much lately

Read Doc’s post on the top of page 1

[Special_Puppy]

. OhayoKD made some good posts--side note, but I've wondered from the user name whether he/she is or knows Japanese (as ohayo = good morning)--

I think she/he might just be an anime fan. I remember she/he mentioned in passing being annoyed that she had to pause watching a popular anime to respond to a post she/he thought was incorrect

[taikibansei]

. OhayoKD made some good posts--side note, but I've wondered from the user name whether he/she is or knows Japanese (as ohayo = good morning)--

I think she/he might just be an anime fan. I remember she/he mentioned in passing being annoyed that she had to pause watching a popular anime to respond to a post she/he thought was incorrect

Seriously?!!

[sp6r=underrated]

. OhayoKD made some good posts--side note, but I've wondered from the user name whether he/she is or knows Japanese (as ohayo = good morning)--

I think she/he might just be an anime fan. I remember she/he mentioned in passing being annoyed that she had to pause watching a popular anime to respond to a post she/he thought was incorrect

Seriously?!!

I have to ask, and this is a genuine age-related question, is anime mainly porn or real tv shows?

[jalengreen]

I think she/he might just be an anime fan. I remember she/he mentioned in passing being annoyed that she had to pause watching a popular anime to respond to a post she/he thought was incorrect

Seriously?!!

I have to ask, and this is a genuine age-related question, is anime mainly porn or real tv shows?

Anime just means Japanese animation, they have a wide variety of content across different genres as you’d expect. Though in general it definitely leans more promiscuous compared to Western standards, with some popular content being extremely so.

[taikibansei]

I think she/he might just be an anime fan. I remember she/he mentioned in passing being annoyed that she had to pause watching a popular anime to respond to a post she/he thought was incorrect

Seriously?!!

I have to ask, and this is a genuine age-related question, is anime mainly porn or real tv shows?

Anime (アニメ) refers to the so-called "Japanese" style of animation. One Piece, Dragon Ball, Naruto, etc. are examples. Yes, there's apparently anime porn as well, but that's usually referred to as "hentai" or "hentai anime."

I'm not really knowledgeable about any of this, but then I'm old as well. I do, however, find it funny that somebody would stop watching their favorite show just to be "right" on the internet.