Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[bay2hk]

Seeing all this, I’m guessing the final outcome is that the Warriors and Kuminga end up on a deal that’s 3 years, ~$72M (basically adding $1M in year 1 and a third year to the current 2/$45M offer, with regular increases each year), with the Warriors having a team option in year 3. (Or alternately, both a player option and a team option for year 3. We used to see those periodically, it’s been a while but I assume still possible.) No no-trade clause or anything.

If the Warriors’ concern is that the 3-year deal might become untradeable (I don’t think that would be the case), it’s sheltered by the fact that year 3 is a team option. Likewise, Kuminga gets a little more money annually, and is guaranteed for 2 years.

And then if Kuminga doesn’t sign that, it’s almost certainly because he’s just decided he wants to be out of here as quickly as possible. Because that’s clearly as good as he’s going to get anywhere, financially.

Let him play for the QO. Why are we paying him 3x more than the QO if he’s going to leave. Screw Jk and his agent.

[marthafokker]

Seeing all this, I’m guessing the final outcome is that the Warriors and Kuminga end up on a deal that’s 3 years, ~$72M (basically adding $1M in year 1 and a third year to the current 2/$45M offer, with regular increases each year), with the Warriors having a team option in year 3. (Or alternately, both a player option and a team option for year 3. We used to see those periodically, it’s been a while but I assume still possible.) No no-trade clause or anything.

If the Warriors’ concern is that the 3-year deal might become untradeable (I don’t think that would be the case), it’s sheltered by the fact that year 3 is a team option. Likewise, Kuminga gets a little more money annually, and is guaranteed for 2 years.

And then if Kuminga doesn’t sign that, it’s almost certainly because he’s just decided he wants to be out of here as quickly as possible. Because that’s clearly as good as he’s going to get anywhere, financially.

Let him play for the QO. Why are we paying him 3x more than the QO if he’s going to leave. Screw Jk and his agent.

If he signs the QO, might as well ask him to sit at home and not come play. The drama is even worse than him getting Kerr's famous DNP-CD.

If that is the case, why not get 4 2nd rounds from the Suns with 2 guys Kerr loves to play... journeyman.

I wanted JK traded many times last season just so this will not happen. But Team Light-years know better.

[statsman]

Seeing all this, I’m guessing the final outcome is that the Warriors and Kuminga end up on a deal that’s 3 years, ~$72M (basically adding $1M in year 1 and a third year to the current 2/$45M offer, with regular increases each year), with the Warriors having a team option in year 3. (Or alternately, both a player option and a team option for year 3. We used to see those periodically, it’s been a while but I assume still possible.) No no-trade clause or anything.

If the Warriors’ concern is that the 3-year deal might become untradeable (I don’t think that would be the case), it’s sheltered by the fact that year 3 is a team option. Likewise, Kuminga gets a little more money annually, and is guaranteed for 2 years.

And then if Kuminga doesn’t sign that, it’s almost certainly because he’s just decided he wants to be out of here as quickly as possible. Because that’s clearly as good as he’s going to get anywhere, financially.

Let him play for the QO. Why are we paying him 3x more than the QO if he’s going to leave. Screw Jk and his agent.

Why? Because Lacob wants the option for a possible big trade this season. Talk to the boss. He runs the team, not MDJ.

[statsman]

If he signs the QO, might as well ask him to sit at home and not come play. The drama is even worse than him getting Kerr's famous DNP-CD.

If that is the case, why not get 4 2nd rounds from the Suns with 2 guys Kerr loves to play... journeyman.

The Warriors don't do that Suns trade because it hard caps them at the 1st apron. Lacob won't have it.

[Twinkie defense]

It would be a good offseason if they were playing in an adult rec league.

Warriors would have made the WCF last season if not for a Stephen Curry injury. IDK how they get worse adding Horford and Melton.

This is coming from where? Did you decide about an end of the series within the first 12 minutes? This team talks a lot about contending and winning 5th championship, but in reality they won only 2 PO series in last 3 years. Both were 7 games series and against teams which were very far from contending.

Al 39y
Curry 38y
Butler 36y
Green 36y
Melton after knee injury

Is this your squad to win it all? This is very far from reality...

Steph Curry was one of the best players in the League last season.

[marthafokker]

If he signs the QO, might as well ask him to sit at home and not come play. The drama is even worse than him getting Kerr's famous DNP-CD.

If that is the case, why not get 4 2nd rounds from the Suns with 2 guys Kerr loves to play... journeyman.

The Warriors don't do that Suns trade because it hard caps them at the 1st apron. Lacob won't have it.

Sacto trade offer gets them hard cap too?

If they can't do a s&t, then basically waste a roster spot and $7.9mil for nothing? Go team Light-year! I don't see Kerr wanting JK anywhere near the team after signing the QO.

[statsman]

If he signs the QO, might as well ask him to sit at home and not come play. The drama is even worse than him getting Kerr's famous DNP-CD.

If that is the case, why not get 4 2nd rounds from the Suns with 2 guys Kerr loves to play... journeyman.

The Warriors don't do that Suns trade because it hard caps them at the 1st apron. Lacob won't have it.

Sacto trade offer gets them hard cap too?

If they can't do a s&t, then basically waste a roster spot and $7.9mil for nothing? Go team Light-year! I don't see Kerr wanting JK anywhere near the team after signing the QO.

The Kings trade with Monk requires the Warriors to move Hield or Moody elsewhere to keep from getting hard capped at the first apron. In the case of moving Hield, no additional salary can come back to the Warriors.

So, for a team to take on Hield into their cap space or a suitable exception (NTMLE, large enough TPE), what is going to be the cost to the Warriors to make that happen?

If Moody were added to the trade instead of Hield, the Warriors could take back a small salary, but that's still a lot of salary for another team to take on. That's going to come with a price, likely a 1st round pick.

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[statsman]

A lot of salary tied up with vet minimums, and trades can now only include one player on a vet minimum contract (2023 CBA). Can't cobble together a bunch of small salaries to meet trade rules and avoid apron hard caps. That was going to be the case whether Kuminga was signed outright or playing on the QO. A S&T might be a different matter.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If jkn takes the qo, he won't do a thing and risk an injury before hitting ufa status since he has the kings on standby.

[CS707]

If jkn takes the qo, he won't do a thing and risk an injury before hitting ufa status since he has the kings on standby.

He’s not going to get the money he’s looking for from Sacramento or anyone else if he dogs the season. He has no choice but to do what it takes to get on the court and play well.

[EvanZ]

Yeah I'm gonna say hard no to trading Moody for Monk lol. It's a no for me dog.

[Onus]

If jkn takes the qo, he won't do a thing and risk an injury before hitting ufa status since he has the kings on standby.

How are the kings going to sign jk, Keon, and Keegan next year? Keegan really might be getting 30+, Keon is getting 20+ and jk is getting 20+.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If jkn takes the qo, he won't do a thing and risk an injury before hitting ufa status since he has the kings on standby.

How are the kings going to sign jk, Keon, and Keegan next year? Keegan really might be getting 30+, Keon is getting 20+ and jk is getting 20+.

Kings are a mess. I have no idea . They're was a pod earlier that the kings were keeping in contact for this very reason. They are making promises to jk that they can't deliver on.

I mean they also guaranteed him a starting spot. Awkward...

[HiRez]

If jkn takes the qo, he won't do a thing and risk an injury before hitting ufa status since he has the kings on standby.

He’s not going to get the money he’s looking for from Sacramento or anyone else if he dogs the season. He has no choice but to do what it takes to get on the court and play well.

I think the risk isn't so much him dogging it, but rather playing hard to put up big numbers for himself, which fairly or not get more attention. A guy putting up 18 ppg on highlight dunks is going to get a lot more attention than one putting up 10 ppg who kept the ball moving and had some hockey assists.

[EvanZ]

This really is Terrible Porn

[Onus]

If jkn takes the qo, he won't do a thing and risk an injury before hitting ufa status since he has the kings on standby.

How are the kings going to sign jk, Keon, and Keegan next year? Keegan really might be getting 30+, Keon is getting 20+ and jk is getting 20+.

Kings are a mess. I have no idea . They're was a pod earlier that the kings were keeping in contact for this very reason. They are making promises to jk that they can't deliver on.

I mean they also guaranteed him a starting spot. Awkward...

With bridges getting 4-150 I can see Keegan getting close to that. And even if they trade ddr for an expiring contract this year and his money comes off which they would have to give up assets to do and they sign Keon to 20+ they’re going to be pushing close to the 2nd apron. Like their promise for next year is completely bs. They obviously value Keon more than jk. They aren’t going to have any money for jk.

[CS707]

If jkn takes the qo, he won't do a thing and risk an injury before hitting ufa status since he has the kings on standby.

He’s not going to get the money he’s looking for from Sacramento or anyone else if he dogs the season. He has no choice but to do what it takes to get on the court and play well.

I think the risk isn't so much him dogging it, but rather playing hard to put up big numbers for himself, which fairly or not get more attention. A guy putting up 18 ppg on highlight dunks is going to get a lot more attention than one putting up 10 ppg who kept the ball moving and had some hockey assists.

That’s just a fast track to DNP-CD. Realistically, the organization has him by the balls. The worst he can do is drag it out and mess with the rest of the FA which is why I expect the Warriors to cut off any extension talks at some point and move forward.

[Onus]

He’s not going to get the money he’s looking for from Sacramento or anyone else if he dogs the season. He has no choice but to do what it takes to get on the court and play well.

I think the risk isn't so much him dogging it, but rather playing hard to put up big numbers for himself, which fairly or not get more attention. A guy putting up 18 ppg on highlight dunks is going to get a lot more attention than one putting up 10 ppg who kept the ball moving and had some hockey assists.

Seriously I’m not sure we’ve could’ve botched this anymore than we already have. Welcome back to the dark ages I’ve missed you my old friend. You’ve come sooner than expected.

[bay2hk]

Seeing all this, I’m guessing the final outcome is that the Warriors and Kuminga end up on a deal that’s 3 years, ~$72M (basically adding $1M in year 1 and a third year to the current 2/$45M offer, with regular increases each year), with the Warriors having a team option in year 3. (Or alternately, both a player option and a team option for year 3. We used to see those periodically, it’s been a while but I assume still possible.) No no-trade clause or anything.

If the Warriors’ concern is that the 3-year deal might become untradeable (I don’t think that would be the case), it’s sheltered by the fact that year 3 is a team option. Likewise, Kuminga gets a little more money annually, and is guaranteed for 2 years.

And then if Kuminga doesn’t sign that, it’s almost certainly because he’s just decided he wants to be out of here as quickly as possible. Because that’s clearly as good as he’s going to get anywhere, financially.

Let him play for the QO. Why are we paying him 3x more than the QO if he’s going to leave. Screw Jk and his agent.

Why? Because Lacob wants the option for a possible big trade this season. Talk to the boss. He runs the team, not MDJ.

We have dray, hield, moody, TJD, GUI and the Anderson / Lindy TPEs to pull a big trade off and still stay under the the hard cap first apron. Retaining JK at a higher salary isn’t the only option for a big trade.