Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

Let him play for the QO. Why are we paying him 3x more than the QO if he’s going to leave. Screw Jk and his agent.

Why? Because Lacob wants the option for a possible big trade this season. Talk to the boss. He runs the team, not MDJ.

We have dray, hield, moody, TJD, GUI and the Anderson / Lindy TPEs to pull a big trade off and still stay under the the hard cap first apron. Retaining JK at a higher salary isn’t the only option for a big trade.

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Someone send this to lacob so we don’t waste more time waiting on giannis not asking out.

[whatisacenter]

How are the kings going to sign jk, Keon, and Keegan next year? Keegan really might be getting 30+, Keon is getting 20+ and jk is getting 20+.

Kings are a mess. I have no idea . They're was a pod earlier that the kings were keeping in contact for this very reason. They are making promises to jk that they can't deliver on.

I mean they also guaranteed him a starting spot. Awkward...

With bridges getting 4-150 I can see Keegan getting close to that. And even if they trade ddr for an expiring contract this year and his money comes off which they would have to give up assets to do and they sign Keon to 20+ they’re going to be pushing close to the 2nd apron. Like their promise for next year is completely bs. They obviously value Keon more than jk. They aren’t going to have any money for jk.

What???

You think Keegan is going to sniff that contract? Anything over $20M a year would be an overpay, IMO.

He’s not going to get the money he’s looking for from Sacramento or anyone else if he dogs the season. He has no choice but to do what it takes to get on the court and play well.

I think the risk isn't so much him dogging it, but rather playing hard to put up big numbers for himself, which fairly or not get more attention. A guy putting up 18 ppg on highlight dunks is going to get a lot more attention than one putting up 10 ppg who kept the ball moving and had some hockey assists.

Seriously I’m not sure we’ve could’ve botched this anymore than we already have. Welcome back to the dark ages I’ve missed you my old friend. You’ve come sooner than expected.

I thought you had high hopes for this roster plus, Horford and Melton?

[ChuckDurn]

Funny thing is, everybody is looking at teams with 2026 cap space, and I’m betting some of it disappears with players getting extensions. That’s what’s been killing the free agent markets, courtesy of the current CBA: teams signing players to extensions, leaving little cap space for free agents. I saw something after the Bridges extension today that mentioned that over the past few seasons, an average of 17+ players have signed extensions, where it previously had been about 12 per season. That’s where the money is going.

I haven’t looked at how many teams are currently projected to have space in 2026, but my guess is that number goes down. So Kuminga or others who are banking on a lot of cap space being available next summer may be surprised to find there isn’t as much as they’re hoping.

[Twinkie defense]

I am 100% on JK camp now. Dubs so disrespectful. 2nd year team option?

I hope JK just take the QO now!

What is it about a team option he doesn't like?

[Twinkie defense]

the Warriors will need to drop the team option second year and make both seasons guaranteed. He would become a tradable asset.

Need Bird rights for Kuminga to be tradeable?

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[Twinkie defense]

Not a terrible play by Sacramento if this is what they're doing, create a relationship, let Kuminga know what he can expect if he for whatever reason takes the QO and becomes a FA next year. At the very least it would be the minimum he can expect next summer.

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Nah it will be all about the $$$.

[Twinkie defense]

Kuminga is gonna be playing in China in two years. Book it!

[statsman]

the Warriors will need to drop the team option second year and make both seasons guaranteed. He would become a tradable asset.

Need Bird rights for Kuminga to be tradeable?

I may be misreading the CBA, but I believe any free agent signed to just one guaranteed year (a team option year is not guaranteed - a player option is) cannot be traded without their consent. With two guaranteed seasons, they could trade Kuminga this season to any team they wanted, provided the contract doesn't include a no-trade clause for Kuminga.

I suppose the Warriors could pick up the team option as part of trading him, eliminating the trade refusal option for Kuminga. That may explain why they structured their offer that way, in addition to giving the team an out if it all falls apart. This is getting beyond my pay grade.

I probably should have been a bit clearer with my comment you quoted when I posted it, but even my last comments are confusing.

[Onus]

Kings are a mess. I have no idea . They're was a pod earlier that the kings were keeping in contact for this very reason. They are making promises to jk that they can't deliver on.

I mean they also guaranteed him a starting spot. Awkward...

With bridges getting 4-150 I can see Keegan getting close to that. And even if they trade ddr for an expiring contract this year and his money comes off which they would have to give up assets to do and they sign Keon to 20+ they’re going to be pushing close to the 2nd apron. Like their promise for next year is completely bs. They obviously value Keon more than jk. They aren’t going to have any money for jk.

What???

You think Keegan is going to sniff that contract? Anything over $20M a year would be an overpay, IMO.

I think the risk isn't so much him dogging it, but rather playing hard to put up big numbers for himself, which fairly or not get more attention. A guy putting up 18 ppg on highlight dunks is going to get a lot more attention than one putting up 10 ppg who kept the ball moving and had some hockey assists.

Seriously I’m not sure we’ve could’ve botched this anymore than we already have. Welcome back to the dark ages I’ve missed you my old friend. You’ve come sooner than expected.

I thought you had high hopes for this roster plus, Horford and Melton?

Keegan is getting over 20 for sure. He’s one of the best defenders and can shoot. He’s in that og/bridges type player.

I do have high hopes for the roster but the front office doing dumb **** with jk is just a precursor for how this is going to be moving forward without Steph.

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the Warriors will need to drop the team option second year and make both seasons guaranteed. He would become a tradable asset.

Need Bird rights for Kuminga to be tradeable?

I may be misreading the CBA, but I believe any free agent signed to just one guaranteed year (a team option year is not guaranteed - a player option is) cannot be traded without their consent. With two guaranteed seasons, they could trade Kuminga this season to any team they wanted, provided the contract doesn't include a no-trade clause for Kuminga.

I suppose the Warriors could pick up the team option as part of trading him, eliminating the trade refusal option for Kuminga. That may explain why they structured their offer that way, in addition to giving the team an out if it all falls apart. This is getting beyond my pay grade.

I probably should have been a bit clearer with my comment you quoted when I posted it, but even my last comments are confusing.

I thought this was the whole reason we wanted a team option in the second year, but also him to waive the associated no trade clause. Because the intent was to trade him during year 1, and if we didn't succeed, we could choose not to exercise the option for year 2. And while it is the clearest path to money, Kuminga is saying, "Wait a minute... only one year is guaranteed? And you can trade me wherever you want, whether I like it or not?" It seemed like it was the combination of those two things that made it all very unpalatable to Kuminga. If he knew he was getting $45m guaranteed, or that he could play for a team of his choice, I suspect he'd come around. The current offer gives him neither.

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With bridges getting 4-150 I can see Keegan getting close to that. And even if they trade ddr for an expiring contract this year and his money comes off which they would have to give up assets to do and they sign Keon to 20+ they’re going to be pushing close to the 2nd apron. Like their promise for next year is completely bs. They obviously value Keon more than jk. They aren’t going to have any money for jk.

What???

You think Keegan is going to sniff that contract? Anything over $20M a year would be an overpay, IMO.

Seriously I’m not sure we’ve could’ve botched this anymore than we already have. Welcome back to the dark ages I’ve missed you my old friend. You’ve come sooner than expected.

I thought you had high hopes for this roster plus, Horford and Melton?

Keegan is getting over 20 for sure. He’s one of the best defenders and can shoot. He’s in that og/bridges type player.

I do have high hopes for the roster but the front office doing dumb **** with jk is just a precursor for how this is going to be moving forward without Steph.

What if Curry has indicated to management there's a possibility for him to be open to playing until 40? Basically, the post-Curry era may not be right around the corner but possibly 4 years away, That may be a big reason why the FO doesn't want Kuminga's conflicting style of offense past this next season (hence the TO).

[wco81]

Kuminga wants to leave the Warriors for the Kings?

Hmm there are questions about his basketball IQ.

Also if the Kings are encouraging him to take the QO to hit free agency sooner, isn’t that tampering? Or does the NBA not have tampering rules?

[Onus]

What???

You think Keegan is going to sniff that contract? Anything over $20M a year would be an overpay, IMO.



I thought you had high hopes for this roster plus, Horford and Melton?

Keegan is getting over 20 for sure. He’s one of the best defenders and can shoot. He’s in that og/bridges type player.

I do have high hopes for the roster but the front office doing dumb **** with jk is just a precursor for how this is going to be moving forward without Steph.

What if Curry has indicated to management there's a possibility for him to be open to playing until 40? Basically, the post-Curry era may not be right around the corner but possibly 4 years away, That may be a big reason why the FO doesn't want Kuminga's conflicting style of offense past this next season (hence the TO).

I'm fine that they don't want JK anymore. But if you don't want him anymore then once you've let that be known to the player, it's time to get rid of him. Don't bring him back when you don't want him, he doesn't want to be here. They just realized a week ago they no longer wanted JK? No they knew that when free agency started and they should've taken the best s&t offer. Now they risk having someone checked out of the team back on the team so they get 11M in salary ballast? They're really ok with sabotaging one of the last years of Curry for 11M in incoming salary? That's just terrible planning and doesn't bode well for the future.

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Yeah, it seems like the hang up is that the Warriors want the FRP to be unprotected and the Kings want lottery protection...seems like they should be able to find middle ground.

The Warriors holding out for it to be unprotected seems silly to me after the way they handled JK.

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we cant take Monk contract...does the Kings realize that lol why cant a NBA team understand how finance works?

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we cant take Monk contract...does the Kings realize that lol why cant a NBA team understand how finance works?

They can, but would have to move Hield or Moody to a third team-likely having to attach a pick. Probably a bigger issue than the pick protection

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we cant take Monk contract...does the Kings realize that lol why cant a NBA team understand how finance works?

They can, but would have to move Hield or Moody to a third team-likely having to attach a pick. Probably a bigger issue than the pick protection

Hield is like the 3rd most untouchable guy on the team, we have like zero shooting and we are not giving him away. Moody is still young you need the wing depth. This proposal makes zero sense for us

[EvanZ]

**** deal