Where Jonathan Kuminga ends ?

[DB23]

So all these matchups names a take from the sky? Go to NBA.COM and look. Also I talk only about rebounding, nothing more. Total package cost max deal on contending teams. A lot of players cost max deals on avg or bad teams w/o total packages. We talk about 20/23mln per year player. About what total packages are you talking here? These are players Claxton/Hart/Monk/P.Williams/Caruso who got new contracts around Kuminga price in last 2 years and he is youngest from them all, only 22y old.

You need to look at basketball beyond just stats imo.

I’ve watched most kuminga games in his career and he’s frequently In the wrong place or doing something dumb to kill momentum. 20 mil is fine. But he’s demanding 30+ and In this cba it’s crazy to do that for anyone.

I saw a lot of dumb plays from Green and Curry per their careers. So dumb what you can't logically explain what they were thinking at the time. Kuminga is only 22years old,for example Green had zero NBA games at this age. I could say that 70% of NBA players could have problems to fit in Green/Curry/Kerr system, but it doesnt mean that they are bad players (Schroder/Paul/Durant/Lee and others). Durant even didn't want to play for Kerr system after one year and he iso'ed a lot after that.

I dont say that Kuminga price is 30mln, it's not. But he has value around 20m/y in NBA and must have opportunity for other role/team, than stanting in the corner and waiting to cut or shoot open 3P.

I’d bet my house Kuminga does not have half the career curry has.

Curry achieved and showed more in college than kuminga has his career to date and probably ever will.

And Durant didn’t have problems fitting in kerr’s system, he just preferred iso ball.

Honestly the only player you lost that struggled was Schroeder, just didn’t mesh. Rest were fine.

[DB23]

Anyway. On a more serious note. When Kuminga accepts the QO he will absolutely be strung out to dry, yet again by Steve Kerr who has no idea how to run a functional team that isn't an ATG squad. His ability to destroy young players careers is completely unmatched in the NBA.

Yeah, look at all those young guys who flourished after they left Golden State. There's uh... hmmm... who?

You must be really high on Jordan Poole, Patrick McCaw, Ryan Rollins, James Wiseman, and Patrick Baldwin.

Exactly this, name one young player that’s thrived outside his system? You can’t.

Actually you could argue the opposite. Poole has been a joke since he left, and the others are out of the league.

I have issues with kerrs system in the modern game but I 100% support that fact the young players must earn playing time. We are t the wizards, whom im sure kuminga would love to play for because he’s all about himself.

The fact is he isn’t a 1 option in this league and has never shown anything remotely close to it.

[cpower]

Anyway. On a more serious note. When Kuminga accepts the QO he will absolutely be strung out to dry, yet again by Steve Kerr who has no idea how to run a functional team that isn't an ATG squad. His ability to destroy young players careers is completely unmatched in the NBA.

Yeah, look at all those young guys who flourished after they left Golden State. There's uh... hmmm... who?

You must be really high on Jordan Poole, Patrick McCaw, Ryan Rollins, James Wiseman, and Patrick Baldwin.

James Wiseman comes to my mind. he was supposed to be the next KAJ but ended up like nothing. Oh poor James!

[Mamba Mentality]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

[cpower]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

we are better with Buddy, probably Moody too he was not healthy last year. Monk is not a bad player but dont like the contract

[Mamba Mentality]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

we are better with Buddy, probably Moody too he was not healthy last year. Monk is not a bad player but dont like the contract

With the way Kerr and management have handled this whole situation the Warriors deserve the worst possible outcome in this whole saga. I cant be the only one that feels this way.

[Lockdown504090]

You need to look at basketball beyond just stats imo.

I’ve watched most kuminga games in his career and he’s frequently In the wrong place or doing something dumb to kill momentum. 20 mil is fine. But he’s demanding 30+ and In this cba it’s crazy to do that for anyone.

I saw a lot of dumb plays from Green and Curry per their careers. So dumb what you can't logically explain what they were thinking at the time. Kuminga is only 22years old,for example Green had zero NBA games at this age. I could say that 70% of NBA players could have problems to fit in Green/Curry/Kerr system, but it doesnt mean that they are bad players (Schroder/Paul/Durant/Lee and others). Durant even didn't want to play for Kerr system after one year and he iso'ed a lot after that.

I dont say that Kuminga price is 30mln, it's not. But he has value around 20m/y in NBA and must have opportunity for other role/team, than stanting in the corner and waiting to cut or shoot open 3P.

I’d bet my house Kuminga does not have half the career curry has.

Curry achieved and showed more in college than kuminga has his career to date and probably ever will.

And Durant didn’t have problems fitting in kerr’s system, he just preferred iso ball.

Honestly the only player you lost that struggled was Schroeder, just didn’t mesh. Rest were fine.

I don’t think that’s fully accurate. The warriors system IS harder to play than what young nba players are used to. I challenge you to go on the AAU circuit and show me teams running anything resembling the warriors offense. I can show you tons that look like Oklahoma City, Detroit, Boston. There are more reads that need to be made.

1.The high post split is totally foreign as these kids don’t even make post entry passes,

2. Guards barely screen, and curry sets over 6 screens a game.

3. Players are more accustomed to the 4 man being aggressive rather than a primary playmaker.

There’s way more in terms of curry’s off ball movement that doesn’t happen on other teams, but I feel that’s obvious for anyone on this site

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

No one wants monk. The warriors might need to attach a pick to just get off him later.

Better to let jk walk.

[Mamba Mentality]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

No one wants monk. The warriors might need to attach a pick to just get off him later.

Better to let jk walk.

He's on an affordable deal and is only a year removed from being the sixth man of the year. His efficiency has gone down but I think that has a lot of do with the Kings expanding his role post Fox trade. He can still win games with his scoring and is a decent playmaker. I will concede that he's a poor defender, but I think in the right system you can still squeeze some production out of him. He's not a negative player imo.

[Capn'O]

Anyway. On a more serious note. When Kuminga accepts the QO he will absolutely be strung out to dry, yet again by Steve Kerr who has no idea how to run a functional team that isn't an ATG squad. His ability to destroy young players careers is completely unmatched in the NBA.

Yeah, look at all those young guys who flourished after they left Golden State. There's uh... hmmm... who?

You must be really high on Jordan Poole, Patrick McCaw, Ryan Rollins, James Wiseman, and Patrick Baldwin.

None of those guys were supposed to be anything. Even Wiseman, who was the number 2 pick, had serious known risk attached to him. He just didn't know how to play a team game and didn't learn.

Spoiler:

Okongwu would have been great on the Ws, in contrast.

Kuminga can actually play, though like Wiseman has limitations playing in a complex system. But he's already shown more. This is more like a souped up Harrison Barnes situation.

[cpower]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

we are better with Buddy, probably Moody too he was not healthy last year. Monk is not a bad player but dont like the contract

With the way Kerr and management have handled this whole situation the Warriors deserve the worst possible outcome in this whole saga. I cant be the only one that feels this way.

this has nothing to do with Kerr..this is Joe Lacob having his ego on the line and dont listen... Kerr and MDJ wanted to move JK long time ago.

[Capn'O]

we are better with Buddy, probably Moody too he was not healthy last year. Monk is not a bad player but dont like the contract

With the way Kerr and management have handled this whole situation the Warriors deserve the worst possible outcome in this whole saga. I cant be the only one that feels this way.

this has nothing to do with Kerr..this is Joe Lacob having his ego on the line and dont listen... Kerr and MDJ wanted to move JK long time ago.

That makes sense. It seems pretty clear there's a disconnect in management and arrogant ownership definitely creates such issues.

[OxAndFox]

Anyway. On a more serious note. When Kuminga accepts the QO he will absolutely be strung out to dry, yet again by Steve Kerr who has no idea how to run a functional team that isn't an ATG squad. His ability to destroy young players careers is completely unmatched in the NBA.

Yeah, look at all those young guys who flourished after they left Golden State. There's uh... hmmm... who?

You must be really high on Jordan Poole, Patrick McCaw, Ryan Rollins, James Wiseman, and Patrick Baldwin.

Yeah...

[Pointgod]

This Kuminga situation is why restricted free agency needs to be changed. He has teams willing to pay him what he’s asking for, Golden State doesn’t want him and for various reasons they either don’t want to make a trade or are limited in making a trade. Hope the players union goes hard to reform restricted free agency because it’s absolute trash

[ConSarnit]

Anyway. On a more serious note. When Kuminga accepts the QO he will absolutely be strung out to dry, yet again by Steve Kerr who has no idea how to run a functional team that isn't an ATG squad. His ability to destroy young players careers is completely unmatched in the NBA.

Yeah, look at all those young guys who flourished after they left Golden State. There's uh... hmmm... who?

You must be really high on Jordan Poole, Patrick McCaw, Ryan Rollins, James Wiseman, and Patrick Baldwin.

Yeah...

I don't get it either. How are guys like Poole, McCaw and Baldwin indictments of Kerr? They had their best seasons in Golden State. Baldwin hasn't done jack sh*t and he's played more outside of GSW than in. Why aren't the Wizards of Clippers getting blamed on Baldwin not working out? Poole had one of the worst seasons of all-time his first year in a different system (WAS). McCaw sucked in his 3 years in TOR, a team known for their player development.

Who has left GSW and gotten better? Shouldn't it be easier for these guys outside of GSW's "complicated" system? Of is it far more likely they are just bad players?

[RB34]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

I don’t get it. The don’t rate him enough to pay him but also rate him enough to expect a good player and picks back in a trade..

[ConSarnit]

This Kuminga situation is why restricted free agency needs to be changed. He has teams willing to pay him what he’s asking for, Golden State doesn’t want him and for various reasons they either don’t want to make a trade or are limited in making a trade. Hope the players union goes hard to reform restricted free agency because it’s absolute trash

Then the players better get ready to get absolutely hammered on rev share or guaranteed contracts. How would you reform it? Just go back to the system of teams losing their guys for nothing after 3-4 years?

Restricted FA is the only thing allowing small-mid market teams to hold onto stars for 7-8 years. Without it you end up like TOR losing TMac for nothing right before he breaks out.

[eminence]

This Kuminga situation is why restricted free agency needs to be changed. He has teams willing to pay him what he’s asking for, Golden State doesn’t want him and for various reasons they either don’t want to make a trade or are limited in making a trade. Hope the players union goes hard to reform restricted free agency because it’s absolute trash

Those teams don't have any cap.

If he were a UFA he'd still wouldn't be getting the money he's asking for because nobody has that money.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

No one wants monk. The warriors might need to attach a pick to just get off him later.

Better to let jk walk.

He's on an affordable deal and is only a year removed from being the sixth man of the year. His efficiency has gone down but I think that has a lot of do with the Kings expanding his role post Fox trade. He can still win games with his scoring and is a decent playmaker. I will concede that he's a poor defender, but I think in the right system you can still squeeze some production out of him. He's not a negative player imo.

Imo, it's not that affordable for the Warriors. Hes another guard on a team full of guards. Its a waste of capspace. He isn't exactly easy to move as is. Scoring guards who cant defend are being kicked to the curb right now.

[ConSarnit]

I think its crazy that the Warriors are turning down the Kings offer. Kuminga+Buddy or Moody for Monk+mid to late 2030/31 1st round pick. Warriors could use that scoring lift off their bench.

I don’t get it. The don’t rate him enough to pay him but also rate him enough to expect a good player and picks back in a trade..

The Warriors have no incentive to do business with the Kings or Suns. These teams don't have the cap space to make an actual offer and therefor it doesn't restrict the Warriors ability to trade Kuminga to one of those teams next season. The Warriors can sign Kuminga, hope he plays better (they win) or he plays the same as last year (mediocre) and those Kings/Suns offers are still out there. If Kuminga improves at all maybe even more teams come out of the woodwork looking to trade for him. Or GSW keeps him because he's playing well.

The Warriors are a win now team. I think Monk is a fine player but they can't go forward with any more defensively challenged small guards. A pick in 2030 doesn't help them either. Unless the Warriors get a win now player (they desperately need wing athleticism) it doesn't make sense for them.

The Kings and Suns hold no cards here.