Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[vvoland]

I wonder if there is a thought that once Sac gives in on the protections, the deal can be expanded with the pick being an attractive resource for a 3rd team?

This team finally has the shooting to make a number of lineups work with JK, only to trade him for another combo guard with suspect defense and streaky offense. Discarding Buddy or Moody to do so is asinine.

[TB]

Kuminga and Buddy for Monk and an unprotected 1st is a pretty good deal imo. Maybe even sneak one of Raynaud, Nique or Carter into it.

Now if it was Moody i’d be mad… but its not a terrible time to sell high on Buddy who is older and still has multiple years on his deal.

After that get as many of Horford, Boucher, Morris, Melton, Seth, GP2 as you can.

[whatisacenter]

They must be pretty close to a deal. The whole 'toxic' narrative is, likely, just this board projecting.

Sam Amick was just interviewed on the radio and said that the Kings deal is just being held up by the FRP protection.

Did he mention if the Warriors are sending out Moody or Hield? Because if not, they're left with 10 players and about $6M under the hard-cap. If they send one of them out they avoid the hard-cap.

He didn’t mention which one just that one of them would have to be moved. He was stating that it’s the Pick protection not the player coming back. That is the holdup.

[vvoland]

Kuminga and Buddy for Monk and an unprotected 1st is a pretty good deal imo. Maybe even sneak one of Raynaud, Nique or Carter into it.

Now if it was Moody i’d be mad… but its not a terrible time to sell high on Buddy who is older and still has multiple years on his deal.

After that get as many of Horford, Boucher, Morris, Melton, Seth, GP2 as you can.

Monk is ALREADY a (slightly) negative contract. Half the value of that first is just to take that contract off their hands. Needing to jettison Buddy, at best, to do it, seems crazy. He's a very similar player at less than half the price, for fewer years, of team control. Moving off of Moody would be even worse, for so many reasons. It might be the worst trade we've been offered for JK, so far.

Unless, we already have a move set up to use that FRP and we need it to be unprotected. That better be one hell of a move.

[vvoland]

Sam Amick was just interviewed on the radio and said that the Kings deal is just being held up by the FRP protection.

Did he mention if the Warriors are sending out Moody or Hield? Because if not, they're left with 10 players and about $6M under the hard-cap. If they send one of them out they avoid the hard-cap.

He didn’t mention which one just that one of them would have to be moved. He was stating that it’s the Pick protection not the player coming back. That is the holdup.

Knbr, the game, or sac radio?

[xdrta+]

Sam Amick was just interviewed on the radio and said that the Kings deal is just being held up by the FRP protection.

Did he mention if the Warriors are sending out Moody or Hield? Because if not, they're left with 10 players and about $6M under the hard-cap. If they send one of them out they avoid the hard-cap.

He didn’t mention which one just that one of them would have to be moved. He was stating that it’s the Pick protection not the player coming back. That is the holdup.

I hope it's Hield and not Moody. I think we overrate Hield.

[Onus]

Kuminga and Buddy for Monk and an unprotected 1st is a pretty good deal imo. Maybe even sneak one of Raynaud, Nique or Carter into it.

Now if it was Moody i’d be mad… but its not a terrible time to sell high on Buddy who is older and still has multiple years on his deal.

After that get as many of Horford, Boucher, Morris, Melton, Seth, GP2 as you can.

If we get Monk + Carter + 1st (2030 yea this needs to be unprotected) for JK + Buddy. That's not terrible. Still rather send them a pick and get keon instead of Carter and no 1st from them.

Curry/Podz
Melton/Monk/Carter
JB/Moody
Dray/Gui
Horford/Post/TJD

We definitely need a wing in to fill out the roster.

Would love to get Cardwell as well out of this.

[HiRez]

I would rather have Ellis and a protected pick instead of Monk and an unprotected. But Warriors FO probably want the protections removed so they can move that pick and surrounding ones easier if needed. Or even just some swaps and/or SRPs instead of FRP.

[statsman]

Unless, we already have a move set up to use that FRP and we need it to be unprotected. That better be one hell of a move.

This. I wonder which team they can reroute Monk, and who would be the return? After losing Hield for whatever asset the 3rd team requires. Sheesh.

[whatisacenter]

Did he mention if the Warriors are sending out Moody or Hield? Because if not, they're left with 10 players and about $6M under the hard-cap. If they send one of them out they avoid the hard-cap.

He didn’t mention which one just that one of them would have to be moved. He was stating that it’s the Pick protection not the player coming back. That is the holdup.

Knbr, the game, or sac radio?

The game

[ChuckDurn]

Kuminga and Buddy for Monk and an unprotected 1st is a pretty good deal imo. Maybe even sneak one of Raynaud, Nique or Carter into it.

Now if it was Moody i’d be mad… but its not a terrible time to sell high on Buddy who is older and still has multiple years on his deal.

After that get as many of Horford, Boucher, Morris, Melton, Seth, GP2 as you can.

Let’s see…… add more guards or centers, while trading away at least one forward (Kuminga) and maybe 2 (Moody), leaving Butler, Draymond (part-time center), Santos, and Toohey as our only forward options.

Disastrous roster.

[TB]

Kuminga and Buddy for Monk and an unprotected 1st is a pretty good deal imo. Maybe even sneak one of Raynaud, Nique or Carter into it.

Now if it was Moody i’d be mad… but its not a terrible time to sell high on Buddy who is older and still has multiple years on his deal.

After that get as many of Horford, Boucher, Morris, Melton, Seth, GP2 as you can.

Monk is ALREADY a (slightly) negative contract. Half the value of that first is just to take that contract off their hands. Needing to jettison Buddy, at best, to do it, seems crazy. He's a very similar player at less than half the price, for fewer years, of team control. Moving off of Moody would be even worse, for so many reasons. It might be the worst trade we've been offered for JK, so far.

Unless, we already have a move set up to use that FRP and we need it to be unprotected. That better be one hell of a move.

I mentioned I don’t want it to be Moody, which would change everything.

But Buddy is becoming a bit overrated. Kerr relied on him like crazy because we had no shooting at all… and he lost alot of games for us in the same way Klay did the previous couple years.

I think Monk is a better player to be the scorer for the 2nd unit than Kuminga has ever been, since he can handle the ball and get other people open as well. Then Buddy’s shooting is just replaced by committee by signing FA’s that can space the floor like Horford, Morris, Melton, Seth, Boucher etc.

Steph / Morris / Seth
Podz / Monk / Melton
Jimmy / Moody
Dray / Boucher / Santos
Horford / Post / Trayce

Doubt all those guards will sign with us to compete for minutes, but something like that is a really good team.

[ChuckDurn]

Kuminga and Buddy for Monk and an unprotected 1st is a pretty good deal imo. Maybe even sneak one of Raynaud, Nique or Carter into it.

Now if it was Moody i’d be mad… but its not a terrible time to sell high on Buddy who is older and still has multiple years on his deal.

After that get as many of Horford, Boucher, Morris, Melton, Seth, GP2 as you can.

Monk is ALREADY a (slightly) negative contract. Half the value of that first is just to take that contract off their hands. Needing to jettison Buddy, at best, to do it, seems crazy. He's a very similar player at less than half the price, for fewer years, of team control. Moving off of Moody would be even worse, for so many reasons. It might be the worst trade we've been offered for JK, so far.

Unless, we already have a move set up to use that FRP and we need it to be unprotected. That better be one hell of a move.

And Buddy is loved in the locker room. Trading him would absolutely piss off the veterans.

This could be disastrous for team culture, even worse than just bringing back Kuminga.

[statsman]

If it ends up being Monk + 2031 1st for S&T JK, Hield (or Moody) + whatever pick(s) is needed top move Hield/Moody (maybe the one from the Kings?), that would be uninspiring.

[vvoland]

Kuminga and Buddy for Monk and an unprotected 1st is a pretty good deal imo. Maybe even sneak one of Raynaud, Nique or Carter into it.

Now if it was Moody i’d be mad… but its not a terrible time to sell high on Buddy who is older and still has multiple years on his deal.

After that get as many of Horford, Boucher, Morris, Melton, Seth, GP2 as you can.

If we get Monk + Carter + 1st (2030 yea this needs to be unprotected) for JK + Buddy. That's not terrible. Still rather send them a pick and get keon instead of Carter and no 1st from them.

Curry/Podz
Melton/Monk/Carter
JB/Moody
Dray/Gui
Horford/Post/TJD

We definitely need a wing in to fill out the roster.

Would love to get Cardwell as well out of this.

I think that roster is clearly worse than having JK and Buddy in for Monk/Carter, just on size/balance alone. We have to be moving that pick (+others?) for forward (e.g. wiggins if it's just the one pick, trey murphy if multiple?). Otherwise, this would be a step back. maybe two, if monk has a tough year shooting next to steph, as many have.

You've also made the point that a major trade needs to happen in the summer, not Feb and, for anything more than role players like Monk or Royce, I completely agree. We can't make this move only to wait til feb to aggregate Monk's deal with other assets to get a real player next to the core 3. It has to happen before the season. I guess we could get wigs back midseason and he'd probably 'fit in' quickly but I'd pass on that.

[statsman]

We can't make this move only to wait til feb to aggregate Monk's deal with other assets to get a real player next to the core 3 ...

Monk would not be acquired as a free agent, so I think the trade restriction to aggregate his salary with others is two months from the date of the trade. So, if it were done today, October 1st at the earliest.

[TB]

I would rather have Ellis and a protected pick instead of Monk and an unprotected. But Warriors FO probably want the protections removed so they can move that pick and surrounding ones easier if needed. Or even just some swaps and/or SRPs instead of FRP.

Ellis would be incredible, I just don’t think he’s available.

Heck, take the pick out and just send us Monk/Ellis for Kuminga/Buddy. But again, I don’t think thats even an option.

[vvoland]

I mentioned I don’t want it to be Moody, which would change everything.

But Buddy is becoming a bit overrated. Kerr relied on him like crazy because we had no shooting at all… and he lost alot of games for us in the same way Klay did the previous couple years.

I think Monk is a better player to be the scorer for the 2nd unit than Kuminga has ever been, since he can handle the ball and get other people open as well. Then Buddy’s shooting is just replaced by committee by signing FA’s that can space the floor like Horford, Morris, Melton, Seth, Boucher etc.

Steph / Morris / Seth
Podz / Monk / Melton
Jimmy / Moody
Dray / Boucher / Santos
Horford / Post / Trayce

Doubt all those guards will sign with us to compete for minutes, but something like that is a really good team.

Monk is 52% efg and 55% TS for his career. His career highs are similar to JK's 4 year averages. Monk's career avgs are career lows for JK, on very similar usage numbers. AND I LIKE monk. If we traded Buddy + filler, I'd be fine with this. Moody + filler? Also, kinda fine. But that would require Monk to make 10-12M, not 19M.

Buddy's shooting is elite and does things to defenses that a committee just won't do. He's also on only a 3M guarantee next season. Monk has 3/60 with a PO left.

If we have Steph, Monk, Podz, & Moody will Melton really sign here? Maybe Seth but is that what we want? JK, Buddy, Melton, Seth or Monk & Seth? There has to be another shoe to drop.

[statsman]

I would rather have Ellis and a protected pick instead of Monk and an unprotected. But Warriors FO probably want the protections removed so they can move that pick and surrounding ones easier if needed. Or even just some swaps and/or SRPs instead of FRP.

Ellis would be incredible, I just don’t think he’s available.

Heck, take the pick out and just send us Monk/Ellis for Kuminga/Buddy. But again, I don’t think thats even an option.

The Warriors would need to add TJD or Santos to the deal to avoid a 1st apron hard cap.

[Onus]

Kuminga and Buddy for Monk and an unprotected 1st is a pretty good deal imo. Maybe even sneak one of Raynaud, Nique or Carter into it.

Now if it was Moody i’d be mad… but its not a terrible time to sell high on Buddy who is older and still has multiple years on his deal.

After that get as many of Horford, Boucher, Morris, Melton, Seth, GP2 as you can.

If we get Monk + Carter + 1st (2030 yea this needs to be unprotected) for JK + Buddy. That's not terrible. Still rather send them a pick and get keon instead of Carter and no 1st from them.

Curry/Podz
Melton/Monk/Carter
JB/Moody
Dray/Gui
Horford/Post/TJD

We definitely need a wing in to fill out the roster.

Would love to get Cardwell as well out of this.

I think that roster is clearly worse than having JK and Buddy in for Monk/Carter, just on size/balance alone. We have to be moving that pick (+others?) for forward (e.g. wiggins if it's just the one pick, trey murphy if multiple?). Otherwise, this would be a step back. maybe two, if monk has a tough year shooting next to steph, as many have.

You've also made the point that a major trade needs to happen in the summer, not Feb and, for anything more than role players like Monk or Royce, I completely agree. We can't make this move only to wait til feb to aggregate Monk's deal with other assets to get a real player next to the core 3. It has to happen before the season. I guess we could get wigs back midseason and he'd probably 'fit in' quickly but I'd pass on that.

Monk would fit in well here as 3rd scoring option who can carry an offense when one of Steph or Jimmy sit out. He was really good last year and his passing has improved a lot. He can be a little like Poole. Really just need a big wing who can soak up some minutes. Maybe a Key/Knox type player who doesn't need to play but can fill a role if needed to play. Really wish I saw more of Key. JB and Dray will get most of the minutes at the 4 so it's not like we need a starter level player ahead of Gui.

We probably close with Curry/JB/Dray/Melton or Monk or Moody or Horford or Podz. Yea we'll be small most likely but when we went on our run last year we were small.