Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[ChuckDurn]

Some thoughts from a credentialed Suns person. He does mention that the Suns don't have 4 2nds but expects there's another trade that can happen to get the 2nd(s).

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I don’t have 34 minutes to watch this. What’s the summary?

[Old_Blue]

Some thoughts from a credentialed Suns person. He does mention that the Suns don't have 4 2nds but expects there's another trade that can happen to get the 2nd(s).

Watch on YouTube

As a general rule, I don't click on podcasts with schmos wearing backwards baseball caps. I find that I get fewer migraine headaches abstaining from such "expert insider logic" telecast from some nice old lady's basement

[cpower]

There is zero case we are trading Buddy for Monk...especially we have no three point shooters on the roster. King's offer is laughable.

Comical.

Um, Curry.
Maybe 2 guys named Curry (Stephen and Seth).
Post.
Horford (coming).
Melton (coming).
Moody.
Podz is decent.

While I agree that I don’t want to give up Hield (or Moody….. or anybody) to get Monk, it is classically hilarious to suggest there are no 3-point shooters on the Warriors. One pivot I am seeing them take this off-season is specifically to help their 3-point shooting by going after Horford and Melton, replacing 2 non-shooters in Looney and (IMO) GP2. (I think GP2 isn’t coming back, but that could be wrong.)

Melton may only play 20 mins due to injury, Moody is not a shooter, Horford is old and a center. In a world of everyone has 3-4 knock down shooter, we cant just run Steph to the ground right now

[vvoland]

It's funny that I think of Monk as a shooter, but his 3 point shooting is terrible. I'm assuming that improves because of the Steph effect but damn he's like Wiggins shooting.

He's not a good 3pt shooter and hasn't been an efficient scorer since that 1 season with the lakers. That def looks like the outlier, to me. He may shoot better next to steph but I'm willing to bet they'll play him opposite steph, not next to. Even if I'm wrong, we've seen plenty of people struggle shooting when playing next to steph. Monk may shooter better but he may crater. It's a wild and unnecessary gamble.

Where's slater on this? I thought they shut down S&T talks a few days ago?

[vvoland]

Yeah. Let's make the team even more guard lopsided. Sounds like an effing plan. Apparently, the effing lunatics are in charge of the asylum.

We had Pat Spencer playing playoff minutes last year. We have nobody to guard other point guards. We have literally no backup PGs on the roster.

If Horford is in fact a done deal, good guards are absolutely what we need to add most.

Yea I don't get why people think we don't need guards and then complain why podz plays so many minutes. We absolutely need guards and a poa defender.

We currently have:

Steph - no context needed
Podz - guaranteed to start based on Kerr's love for all things podz
Buddy - best player next to steph/dray/jimmy, for my money
Melton - looking to sign
Seth Curry - Looking to sign
Moody - I still think he's more of a guard than a wing, but open to discussion
Even Butler can play some 2 in larger lineups, particularly if he got offended by teams daring him to shoot 3s last year.

That's 6-7. Why do we need to trade JK and Buddy for someone just as likely to start/close as buddy is, for 3x the money? It doesn't even solve our backup PG problem as Monk has proven to not be a point guard. Is he better than a healthy melton? Not so sure. I know buddy can shoot/defend/fit next to steph/jimmy/dray. I know nothing of the sort about Monk. I'd take the gamble if it was just buddy or moody, maybe. For JK and one of them? No thank you.

Beyond Butler, Dray, and JK, we have no one to play the 3 OR 4 other than moody or gui. That's awful depth at both forward spots, even with JK. Without him, it gets bleak.

[Onus]

It's funny that I think of Monk as a shooter, but his 3 point shooting is terrible. I'm assuming that improves because of the Steph effect but damn he's like Wiggins shooting.

He's not a good 3pt shooter and hasn't been an efficient scorer since that 1 season with the lakers. That def looks like the outlier, to me. He may shoot better next to steph but I'm willing to bet they'll play him opposite steph, not next to. Even if I'm wrong, we've seen plenty of people struggle shooting when playing next to steph. Monk may shooter better but he may crater. It's a wild and unnecessary gamble.

Where's slater on this? I thought they shut down S&T talks a few days ago?

Seems like we've already said no to this latest rumor

[statsman]

Where's slater on this? I thought they shut down S&T talks a few days ago?

They probably meant that they weren't actively seeking out a S&T deal. Doesn't mean Kuminga's camp and teams like the Kings can't keep pitching deals at the Warriors.

I think I would rather take back less (which is already selling low) to have Kuminga out of the division and preferably in the EC. I would rather not have this in the team's own backyard. Just saying ...

[statsman]

Where's slater on this? I thought they shut down S&T talks a few days ago?

Seems like we've already said no to this latest rumor

Said no to what? The protected 2031 first? Or to any deal that includes Monk? I'm not sure they've eliminated the latter.

[vvoland]

Where's slater on this? I thought they shut down S&T talks a few days ago?

They probably meant that they weren't actively seeking out a S&T deal. Doesn't mean Kuminga's camp and teams like the Kings can't keep pitching deals at the Warriors.

I think I would rather take back less (which is already selling low) to have Kuminga out of the division and preferably in the EC. I would rather not have this in the team's own backyard. Just saying ...

If you think highly enough of him to send him to the east, why not just keep him. These offers are terrible and I can't imagine they'll get worse by Feb. He doesn't seem like the guy to tank a season like JP3 did and, even if Kerr goes scorched earth, we can still move him if he's at ~23M.

[vvoland]

It's funny that I think of Monk as a shooter, but his 3 point shooting is terrible. I'm assuming that improves because of the Steph effect but damn he's like Wiggins shooting.

He's not a good 3pt shooter and hasn't been an efficient scorer since that 1 season with the lakers. That def looks like the outlier, to me. He may shoot better next to steph but I'm willing to bet they'll play him opposite steph, not next to. Even if I'm wrong, we've seen plenty of people struggle shooting when playing next to steph. Monk may shooter better but he may crater. It's a wild and unnecessary gamble.

Where's slater on this? I thought they shut down S&T talks a few days ago?

Seems like we've already said no to this latest rumor

I really hope you're right. Like stats asked, did you hear if it was Monk or the protections ?

[AirP.]

Some thoughts from a credentialed Suns person. He does mention that the Suns don't have 4 2nds but expects there's another trade that can happen to get the 2nd(s).

Spoiler:

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I don’t have 34 minutes to watch this. What’s the summary?

No real summary, just talking on the subject, I use 1.5 to 2.0 speed to get through podcasts quicker when working.

Talk about who's right on the rumors, mention Evan Sidery is just an aggregator.
Don't think Kuminga will go back to GS but if he does it's going to go bad because they don't have the same goals currently.
Think the Suns may need to move Oso Ighodaro who they see as a Looney clone with better passing.
Believe Sacramento has the better chance of getting Kuminga but put their chances at 40%.

[Old_Blue]

Why do we need to trade JK and Buddy for someone just as likely to start/close as buddy is, for 3x the money? It doesn't even solve our backup PG problem as Monk has proven to not be a point guard. Is he better than a healthy melton? Not so sure. I know buddy can shoot/defend/fit next to steph/jimmy/dray. I know nothing of the sort about Monk. I'd take the gamble if it was just buddy or moody, maybe. For JK and one of them? No thank you.

Beyond Butler, Dray, and JK, we have no one to play the 3 OR 4 other than moody or gui. That's awful depth at both forward spots, even with JK. Without him, it gets bleak.

There is no logic to these demands that we trade away Kuminga for more guards. But then, as you are more than well aware my Ukrainian friend, infiltrators within the ranks are there for one reason only - to sabotage your chances of victory.

[statsman]

Where's slater on this? I thought they shut down S&T talks a few days ago?

They probably meant that they weren't actively seeking out a S&T deal. Doesn't mean Kuminga's camp and teams like the Kings can't keep pitching deals at the Warriors.

I think I would rather take back less (which is already selling low) to have Kuminga out of the division and preferably in the EC. I would rather not have this in the team's own backyard. Just saying ...

If you think highly enough of him to send him to the east, why not just keep him. These offers are terrible and I can't imagine they'll get worse by Feb. He doesn't seem like the guy to tank a season like JP3 did and, even if Kerr goes scorched earth, we can still move him if he's at ~23M.

I *would* rather keep him, but Kuminga and his agent are making a big stink right now. The Warriors could offer the reported 3/65 (or a bit more), and Kuminga would likely turn it down. They've already torched the bridge behind them.

[AirP.]

Even if GS doesn't like the offers from Phoenix or Sacramento, it's quite possible to add more teams to reroute players to get closer to what you want in a trade. Don't want Monk find someone who does and send him to a 3rd team to bring back a player(s) who make less money, especially if it makes it where you don't have to move Hield who's around 10 mil.

[vvoland]

They probably meant that they weren't actively seeking out a S&T deal. Doesn't mean Kuminga's camp and teams like the Kings can't keep pitching deals at the Warriors.

I think I would rather take back less (which is already selling low) to have Kuminga out of the division and preferably in the EC. I would rather not have this in the team's own backyard. Just saying ...

If you think highly enough of him to send him to the east, why not just keep him. These offers are terrible and I can't imagine they'll get worse by Feb. He doesn't seem like the guy to tank a season like JP3 did and, even if Kerr goes scorched earth, we can still move him if he's at ~23M.

I *would* rather keep him, but Kuminga and his agent are making a big stink right now. The Warriors could offer the reported 3/65 (or a bit more), and Kuminga would likely turn it down. They've already torched the bridge behind them.

I might be out of the loop. Last I heard, they wanted either a fully guaranteed 2nd year OR for JK to keep the implicit NTC. I still think 2/48 or 3/72 gets it done.

[Onus]

He's not a good 3pt shooter and hasn't been an efficient scorer since that 1 season with the lakers. That def looks like the outlier, to me. He may shoot better next to steph but I'm willing to bet they'll play him opposite steph, not next to. Even if I'm wrong, we've seen plenty of people struggle shooting when playing next to steph. Monk may shooter better but he may crater. It's a wild and unnecessary gamble.

Where's slater on this? I thought they shut down S&T talks a few days ago?

Seems like we've already said no to this latest rumor

I really hope you're right. Like stats asked, did you hear if it was Monk or the protections ?

Protections we want an unprotected 2030

[EvanZ]

I want an unprotected 2026 lol

[DAWill1128]

I wouldn't deal Kuminga and Buddy for Monk. If it was the circumstance of Kuminga + smaller contracts for Monk then sure absolutely.

The Warriors should try and zero in on Dosonmu like what was reported two weeks ago.

[vvoland]

Seems like we've already said no to this latest rumor

I really hope you're right. Like stats asked, did you hear if it was Monk or the protections ?

Protections we want an unprotected 2030

That must mean one of two things:

1. We're morons

or

2. We have a move lined up now, or in Feb, for 30m+ in salary and 2 premier FRPs.

[GS Warriors 1]

Protections we want an unprotected 2030

Unprotected 1 seems unrealistic. I'd be surprised if they get a lotto protected.