Where Jonathan Kuminga ends ?

[ConSarnit]

No one wants monk. The warriors might need to attach a pick to just get off him later.

Better to let jk walk.

He's on an affordable deal and is only a year removed from being the sixth man of the year. His efficiency has gone down but I think that has a lot of do with the Kings expanding his role post Fox trade. He can still win games with his scoring and is a decent playmaker. I will concede that he's a poor defender, but I think in the right system you can still squeeze some production out of him. He's not a negative player imo.

Imo, it's not that affordable for the Warriors. Hes another guard on a team full of guards. Its a waste of capspace. He isn't exactly easy to move as is. Scoring guards who cant defend are being kicked to the curb right now.

Exactly. The Warriors are extremely undersized as it is. They can't be adding more small guards.

[DonaldSanders]

I don't get it either. How are guys like Poole, McCaw and Baldwin indictments of Kerr? They had their best seasons in Golden State. Baldwin hasn't done jack sh*t and he's played more outside of GSW than in. Why aren't the Wizards of Clippers getting blamed on Baldwin not working out? Poole had one of the worst seasons of all-time his first year in a different system (WAS). McCaw sucked in his 3 years in TOR, a team known for their player development.

Who has left GSW and gotten better? Shouldn't it be easier for these guys outside of GSW's "complicated" system? Of is it far more likely they are just bad players?

Yeah, that's my point. People love attacking Kerr but they can't name a single player who got much better after leaving GSW. Most of the time they drop off.

I think Kuminga might be one of the few guys who could look better, just not a ton. He's a perfect guy to put up a bunch of points on a losing team and have people say "see, Kerr stifled him". If given a consistent role, he'll improve some of course -- but he could not earn that on a good playoff team right now.

[Pointgod]

This Kuminga situation is why restricted free agency needs to be changed. He has teams willing to pay him what he’s asking for, Golden State doesn’t want him and for various reasons they either don’t want to make a trade or are limited in making a trade. Hope the players union goes hard to reform restricted free agency because it’s absolute trash

Then the players better get ready to get absolutely hammered on rev share or guaranteed contracts. How would you reform it? Just go back to the system of teams losing their guys for nothing after 3-4 years?

Bolded is an exaggeration and what most teams are worried about is losing allstar or potential allstar players. Golden State doesn’t even want to keep Kuminga or value him. They just don’t want to take back extra salary in a sign and trade. One way to address this would be just generate a trade exception for teams sending out a player coming off their rookie contract. That way if there is a team over the cap that’s willing to pay them, then it’s easier to facilitate a trade. You can make this option available to teams over the cap but below the luxury tax and would have to put rules in place regarding the types of contracts that could be signed in this way but it’s a much better option screwing a players value. I’m also in favor of rewarding teams that draft by not counting the full salary of resigned players against the cap.

Restricted FA is the only thing allowing small-mid market teams to hold onto stars for 7-8 years. Without it you end up like TOR losing TMac for nothing right before he breaks out.

All of the changes to the CBA favors small markets to everyone’s detriment. Free agency is pretty much dead because all the incentives are for players to resign with the team that drafted them and then ask for a trade later. They didn’t have these provisions back when the Raptors lost T-Mac. All the rules are in favour of the teams not the players.

[DB23]

I saw a lot of dumb plays from Green and Curry per their careers. So dumb what you can't logically explain what they were thinking at the time. Kuminga is only 22years old,for example Green had zero NBA games at this age. I could say that 70% of NBA players could have problems to fit in Green/Curry/Kerr system, but it doesnt mean that they are bad players (Schroder/Paul/Durant/Lee and others). Durant even didn't want to play for Kerr system after one year and he iso'ed a lot after that.

I dont say that Kuminga price is 30mln, it's not. But he has value around 20m/y in NBA and must have opportunity for other role/team, than stanting in the corner and waiting to cut or shoot open 3P.

I’d bet my house Kuminga does not have half the career curry has.

Curry achieved and showed more in college than kuminga has his career to date and probably ever will.

And Durant didn’t have problems fitting in kerr’s system, he just preferred iso ball.

Honestly the only player you lost that struggled was Schroeder, just didn’t mesh. Rest were fine.

I don’t think that’s fully accurate. The warriors system IS harder to play than what young nba players are used to. I challenge you to go on the AAU circuit and show me teams running anything resembling the warriors offense. I can show you tons that look like Oklahoma City, Detroit, Boston. There are more reads that need to be made.

1.The high post split is totally foreign as these kids don’t even make post entry passes,

2. Guards barely screen, and curry sets over 6 screens a game.

3. Players are more accustomed to the 4 man being aggressive rather than a primary playmaker.

There’s way more in terms of curry’s off ball movement that doesn’t happen on other teams, but I feel that’s obvious for anyone on this site

I agree it’s different. But it’s just a weird misconception that young talent can’t play or thrive in it.

Fact is the warriors young talent has sucked. You can’t even name one player that thrived elsewhere. Conversely you can name several who disappeared after they left.

Can you imagine saying that young Kobe couldn’t make an impact on the court because of the system? Well that’s who kuminga thinks he is but he’s never shown anything remotely close ounce of it on the court.

I’m happy he shot well against the wolves in those blowouts though. He’d be worthless otherwise.

[Hangtime84]

I’d bet my house Kuminga does not have half the career curry has.

Curry achieved and showed more in college than kuminga has his career to date and probably ever will.

And Durant didn’t have problems fitting in kerr’s system, he just preferred iso ball.

Honestly the only player you lost that struggled was Schroeder, just didn’t mesh. Rest were fine.

I don’t think that’s fully accurate. The warriors system IS harder to play than what young nba players are used to. I challenge you to go on the AAU circuit and show me teams running anything resembling the warriors offense. I can show you tons that look like Oklahoma City, Detroit, Boston. There are more reads that need to be made.

1.The high post split is totally foreign as these kids don’t even make post entry passes,

2. Guards barely screen, and curry sets over 6 screens a game.

3. Players are more accustomed to the 4 man being aggressive rather than a primary playmaker.

There’s way more in terms of curry’s off ball movement that doesn’t happen on other teams, but I feel that’s obvious for anyone on this site

I agree it’s different. But it’s just a weird misconception that young talent can’t play or thrive in it.

Fact is the warriors young talent has sucked. You can’t even name one player that thrived elsewhere. Conversely you can name several who disappeared after they left.

Can you imagine saying that young Kobe couldn’t make an impact on the court because of the system? Well that’s who kuminga thinks he is but he’s never shown anything remotely close ounce of it on the court.

I’m happy he shot well against the wolves in those blowouts though. He’d be worthless otherwise.

Donte DiVincenzo and Ty Jerome

The system for a players do matter Nuggests also had many players who fell off post Denver runs.

The Warriors offense requires players who are fast processors of the game. Kuminga was drafted as project who they knew had to develop wasn't known as a quick thinker, but a athlete with great tools.

Not quite the guy you would want if i could pick one rookie who would fit what they are trying to do Walter Clayton would be one. I would think is prospect who processes the game quickly.

[Capn'O]

I don't get it either. How are guys like Poole, McCaw and Baldwin indictments of Kerr? They had their best seasons in Golden State. Baldwin hasn't done jack sh*t and he's played more outside of GSW than in. Why aren't the Wizards of Clippers getting blamed on Baldwin not working out? Poole had one of the worst seasons of all-time his first year in a different system (WAS). McCaw sucked in his 3 years in TOR, a team known for their player development.

Who has left GSW and gotten better? Shouldn't it be easier for these guys outside of GSW's "complicated" system? Of is it far more likely they are just bad players?

Yeah, that's my point. People love attacking Kerr but they can't name a single player who got much better after leaving GSW. Most of the time they drop off.

I think Kuminga might be one of the few guys who could look better, just not a ton. He's a perfect guy to put up a bunch of points on a losing team and have people say "see, Kerr stifled him". If given a consistent role, he'll improve some of course -- but he could not earn that on a good playoff team right now.

This is more like a souped up Harrison Barnes situation.

Not that Barnes got a ton "better" elsewhere but he got a more consistent role and has ultimately developed into a player who can help a team. I have no doubt JK could consistently put up 20.

[floppymoose]

Im seeing weird articles saying GSW has no leverage. I dont get it. Let the Kings offer him 4/90, and match.

[floppymoose]

Donte DiVincenzo and Ty Jerome

Ty is a good example. But as someone who watched him in GS and then saw him later in CLE, i think its more about Ty than GS. His limitations in GS were about him, not how he was used. He was just way better at finishing plays in CLE. It was like his athleticism got a boost.

Donte isnt a good example. He thrived in GS; they just didnt have any way to keep him.

[SA37]

GS has some leverage, but I don't see Kuminga back to GS as anything more than posturing. GS's reluctance to extend Kuminga shows they have reservations about Kuminga. He was not played in the playoffs until they had no other choice and Kuming has long been unhappy with his role in GS and that would presumably not change unless GS has suddenly decided to play a Green - Butler - Kuminga frontline.

I can't imagine Golden St wants to bring Kuminga back only to have him become a massive distraction.

[DonaldSanders]

Donte DiVincenzo and Ty Jerome

The system for a players do matter Nuggests also had many players who fell off post Denver runs.

The Warriors offense requires players who are fast processors of the game. Kuminga was drafted as project who they knew had to develop wasn't known as a quick thinker, but a athlete with great tools.

Not quite the guy you would want if i could pick one rookie who would fit what they are trying to do Walter Clayton would be one. I would think is prospect who processes the game quickly.

We're discussing rookies/young players that thrived after leaving the Warriors (little to none), not guys the Warriors couldn't afford to keep and helped boost their career. Both guys got contracts after good seasons with GS and certainly weren't young.

[marthafokker]

Im seeing weird articles saying GSW has no leverage. I dont get it. Let the Kings offer him 4/90, and match.

There is no leverage after the QO is signed. Will the Dubs win the bluff?

Kings can get him with zero compensation next year then. Sounds like JK's agent might have that discussion with the Kings. Clean the books next trade season will confirm it if QO is signed.

This drama is better than some movies.

[thierry]

I don’t think that’s fully accurate. The warriors system IS harder to play than what young nba players are used to. I challenge you to go on the AAU circuit and show me teams running anything resembling the warriors offense. I can show you tons that look like Oklahoma City, Detroit, Boston. There are more reads that need to be made.

1.The high post split is totally foreign as these kids don’t even make post entry passes,

2. Guards barely screen, and curry sets over 6 screens a game.

3. Players are more accustomed to the 4 man being aggressive rather than a primary playmaker.

There’s way more in terms of curry’s off ball movement that doesn’t happen on other teams, but I feel that’s obvious for anyone on this site

I agree it’s different. But it’s just a weird misconception that young talent can’t play or thrive in it.

Fact is the warriors young talent has sucked. You can’t even name one player that thrived elsewhere. Conversely you can name several who disappeared after they left.

Can you imagine saying that young Kobe couldn’t make an impact on the court because of the system? Well that’s who kuminga thinks he is but he’s never shown anything remotely close ounce of it on the court.

I’m happy he shot well against the wolves in those blowouts though. He’d be worthless otherwise.

Donte DiVincenzo and Ty Jerome

The system for a players do matter Nuggests also had many players who fell off post Denver runs.

The Warriors offense requires players who are fast processors of the game. Kuminga was drafted as project who they knew had to develop wasn't known as a quick thinker, but a athlete with great tools.

Not quite the guy you would want if i could pick one rookie who would fit what they are trying to do Walter Clayton would be one. I would think is prospect who processes the game quickly.

DDV & Jerome?? Kerr improved both of their careers. Bad examples. Jerome got way more burn on GS than he ever deserved & Kerr clearly boosted his confidence & game. DDV did great on GS they couldn’t afford him.

[Up-And-Coming]

Hope they S&T him soon. He seems to be the biggest roadblock to the rest of the pending free agents and I want to see where they all land sooner rather than later

[marthafokker]

Hope they S&T him soon. He seems to be the biggest roadblock to the rest of the pending free agents and I want to see where they all land sooner rather than later

I want this to continue.

This is more drama than with American Eagle Jeans and Dunkin Donuts. That is so yesterday.

This JK drama is fun to watch. Love it when both team and player lose. And I am a Dubs fan. Hahaha.

[Up-And-Coming]

Hope they S&T him soon. He seems to be the biggest roadblock to the rest of the pending free agents and I want to see where they all land sooner rather than later

I want this to continue.

This is more drama than with American Eagle Jeans and Dunkin Donuts. That is so yesterday.

This JK drama is fun to watch. Love it when both team and player lose. And I am a Dubs fan. Hahaha.

I mean ya those were pretty lame so if I had to choose then sure, I'd rather this continue

[mkot]

If the rumor of the Warriors demanding the 2030 1st round pick be unprotected is true, it's time for the Kings to say it's your mess not mine and walk away from the table. It's bottom line not negotiating in good faith from Warriors side. Monk and a 2030 lottery protected first or the worse of the 2031 Kings/Spurs first is already the best deal for Kuminga in the current market, it's Monk and a guaranteed first.

[ShootersShoot]

I don’t think that’s fully accurate. The warriors system IS harder to play than what young nba players are used to. I challenge you to go on the AAU circuit and show me teams running anything resembling the warriors offense. I can show you tons that look like Oklahoma City, Detroit, Boston. There are more reads that need to be made.

1.The high post split is totally foreign as these kids don’t even make post entry passes,

2. Guards barely screen, and curry sets over 6 screens a game.

3. Players are more accustomed to the 4 man being aggressive rather than a primary playmaker.

There’s way more in terms of curry’s off ball movement that doesn’t happen on other teams, but I feel that’s obvious for anyone on this site

I agree it’s different. But it’s just a weird misconception that young talent can’t play or thrive in it.

Fact is the warriors young talent has sucked. You can’t even name one player that thrived elsewhere. Conversely you can name several who disappeared after they left.

Can you imagine saying that young Kobe couldn’t make an impact on the court because of the system? Well that’s who kuminga thinks he is but he’s never shown anything remotely close ounce of it on the court.

I’m happy he shot well against the wolves in those blowouts though. He’d be worthless otherwise.

Donte DiVincenzo and Ty Jerome

The system for a players do matter Nuggests also had many players who fell off post Denver runs.

The Warriors offense requires players who are fast processors of the game. Kuminga was drafted as project who they knew had to develop wasn't known as a quick thinker, but a athlete with great tools.

Not quite the guy you would want if i could pick one rookie who would fit what they are trying to do Walter Clayton would be one. I would think is prospect who processes the game quickly.

Are you serious? Donte and ty were 26 & 25 yrs old respectively when they played for the warriors..they were literally vets.

Donte especially was already a known player with a championship ring and played a big role (26mpg). He wasnt some guy kerr benched due to being young.

[Hangtime84]

I agree it’s different. But it’s just a weird misconception that young talent can’t play or thrive in it.

Fact is the warriors young talent has sucked. You can’t even name one player that thrived elsewhere. Conversely you can name several who disappeared after they left.

Can you imagine saying that young Kobe couldn’t make an impact on the court because of the system? Well that’s who kuminga thinks he is but he’s never shown anything remotely close ounce of it on the court.

I’m happy he shot well against the wolves in those blowouts though. He’d be worthless otherwise.

Donte DiVincenzo and Ty Jerome

The system for a players do matter Nuggests also had many players who fell off post Denver runs.

The Warriors offense requires players who are fast processors of the game. Kuminga was drafted as project who they knew had to develop wasn't known as a quick thinker, but a athlete with great tools.

Not quite the guy you would want if i could pick one rookie who would fit what they are trying to do Walter Clayton would be one. I would think is prospect who processes the game quickly.

Are you serious? Donte and ty were 26 & 25 yrs old respectively when they played for the warriors..they were literally vets.

Donte especially was already a known player with a championship ring and played a big role (26mpg). He wasnt some guy kerr benched due to being young.

Didn’t know players are finished products at age 25/26. Should be retried as they are such experienced vets

[CS707]

If the rumor of the Warriors demanding the 2030 1st round pick be unprotected is true, it's time for the Kings to say it's your mess not mine and walk away from the table. It's bottom line not negotiating in good faith from Warriors side. Monk and a 2030 lottery protected first or the worse of the 2031 Kings/Spurs first is already the best deal for Kuminga in the current market, it's Monk and a guaranteed first.

Not just folding and accepting Sacramento’s offer is bad faith negotiating?

[ShootersShoot]

Donte DiVincenzo and Ty Jerome

The system for a players do matter Nuggests also had many players who fell off post Denver runs.

The Warriors offense requires players who are fast processors of the game. Kuminga was drafted as project who they knew had to develop wasn't known as a quick thinker, but a athlete with great tools.

Not quite the guy you would want if i could pick one rookie who would fit what they are trying to do Walter Clayton would be one. I would think is prospect who processes the game quickly.

Are you serious? Donte and ty were 26 & 25 yrs old respectively when they played for the warriors..they were literally vets.

Donte especially was already a known player with a championship ring and played a big role (26mpg). He wasnt some guy kerr benched due to being young.

Didn’t know players are finished products at age 25/26. Should be retried as they are such experienced vets

Thats not the point..obviously players continue to get better at that age. 25 & 26 are literally the beginning of their prime years..its not the same as guys beginning their careers on a team. Donte was a starter on his first team at some point and had won a ring. He was a well known player already. He played 72 games and started 36 games, averaged 26mpg. He wasnt some guy that the warriors drafted and held back only for him to flourish elsewhere...
Make sense?

Ty...he was a free agent brought in from the street..he wasnt drafted by the warriors and had opportunities and legit playimg time with other teams already.

Do you not see these differences? Its very obvious to me. You are comparing players drafted by the team versus two veteran free agent signings. Two totally different scenarios.

Rollins is a candidate though...he looks like he has a chance to play a big role for milwaukee this year