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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1961 » by TB » Sat Aug 2, 2025 12:01 am

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Kings are trying to get rid of Monk, bad contract and all.

Warriors should be dismissing the proposal out of hand.

They're not offering any assets in return because the FRP is to eat Monk's contract.


This goes both ways… we are also trying to get rid of Kuminga.



Monk averaged 17 PPG last season, on over 31 MPG. But we're not looking for a player to fill that kind of role.

Curious about his catch and shoot percentages and how much he runs off ball. I think of him mostly as creating for himself and a little for others because he has an explosive first step and he can get up a little despite being only 6-3.

It would seem to be a poor fit if he can't play off ball in Kerr's offense.

OTOH, they let Buddy dribble a lot, too much last season. Monk would be better for that.

Buddy tries hard on defense not sure about Monk.


I think we definitely need the role that Monk provides. He’s a great scorer and ball-handler off the bench that can create for others a bit. We have nobody other than starters that can dribble and pass. He’s not great at catch and shoot… better than a Kuminga or GP2 type, but he’s better with the ball in his hands attacking. Ideal type of player for non Steph minutes, and then when he plays with Steph he can break down the defense while Steph draws away help defenders.

Monk is a much better player than Buddy, but like you mentioned, they definitely are different roles… both of which we need. The difference is there isn’t a Monk available in free agency, but I think we can pretty easily replace Buddy with guys like Morris/Melton/Seth and even Horford/Post minutes spacing the floor.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1962 » by whatisacenter » Sat Aug 2, 2025 12:06 am

99 pages!

This thread has been much more active than the warriors offseason.
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Post#1963 » by TB » Sat Aug 2, 2025 12:09 am

whatisacenter wrote:99 pages!

This thread has been much more active than the warriors offseason.


99 problems and Kuminga is the main one.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1964 » by marthafokker » Sat Aug 2, 2025 12:12 am

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whatisacenter wrote:99 pages!

This thread has been much more active than the warriors offseason.


99 problems and Kuminga is the main one.


99 pages of Dubs mistakes thinking JK has value. :lol:
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Post#1965 » by azwfan » Sat Aug 2, 2025 5:00 am

Im lazy to look up Monk’s contract but it must be horrendous if Warriors getting back a guaranteed future 1st and still not biting. Maybe they trying to squeeze an extra 2nd out of it… or maybe its more half truth reporting. Either way, makes for exciting reading.
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Post#1966 » by Old_Blue » Sat Aug 2, 2025 5:05 am

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1967 » by statsman » Sat Aug 2, 2025 5:16 am

azwfan wrote:Im lazy to look up Monk’s contract but it must be horrendous if Warriors getting back a guaranteed future 1st and still not biting. Maybe they trying to squeeze an extra 2nd out of it… or maybe its more half truth reporting. Either way, makes for exciting reading.

The 1st being offered is lottery-protected (top-14). The claim is the Warriors want this as an unprotected 1st.

I decided to check out the various sites with fans from teams other than the Kings and the Warriors to see what they thought about Monk. A good number of them think he is a mediocre starter, while a good number of them think he is a solid 6th man but overpaid (still owed 3/$60.6M; $18.8M this season). When discussions came up about acquiring Monk, nearly all said pass.

The latter is disconcerting because I would hope the plan is to expand the S&T to reroute Monk to a 3rd team. Easier said than done, it would appear.
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Post#1968 » by Twinkie defense » Sat Aug 2, 2025 5:49 am

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I thought this was the whole reason we wanted a team option in the second year, but also him to waive the associated no trade clause. Because the intent was to trade him during year 1, and if we didn't succeed, we could choose not to exercise the option for year 2. And while it is the clearest path to money, Kuminga is saying, "Wait a minute... only one year is guaranteed? And you can trade me wherever you want, whether I like it or not?" It seemed like it was the combination of those two things that made it all very unpalatable to Kuminga. If he knew he was getting $45m guaranteed, or that he could play for a team of his choice, I suspect he'd come around. The current offer gives him neither.

Only one season is guaranteed but it's at a much higher amount than the qualifying offer one-year deal, which seems like it is becoming a possibility.

The Warriors want to be able to trade him to where they can get the best return and not have Kuminga bollocks that up. In particular I think they want to be able to include his ~$20 mil outgoing salary in a trade for Giannis, because "even if there is a 3% possibility" you have to be prepared for that possibility right? But in reality it seems like it would be those teams that are already expressing an interest - Kings or the Suns - who would offer the most in trade.

The team option for the second year, maybe the Warriors ultimately drop that, but that would give them more flexibility - there is a non-zero chance that Kuminga shows this season that he is not worth ~$20 mil per. Last thing you want to do is be stuck with him or have to attach assets to move his contract. But if for example the Bucks could just make that contract go away that has some attraction to it.

Kuminga acts like he wants to bet on himself, if that's the case he shouldn't worry about guarantees or even this season's salary, he should aim to become an unrestricted free agent as soon as possible, period.
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Post#1969 » by Twinkie defense » Sat Aug 2, 2025 5:52 am

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marthafokker wrote:I am 100% on JK camp now. Dubs so disrespectful. 2nd year team option?

I hope JK just take the QO now!

What is it about a team option he doesn't like?


He lost injury and UFA protection. If you were him, do you want yourself to not get some protect for a short contract like that? And if he does good, he wants his money with player option... not team option with no control again.

Furthermore, Dubs wants him to wave the no trade clause. I saw on ESPN, maybe Slater, said that standard CBA on 1+1 is no trade clause.

So Dubs wants everything, and have JK lose all protection in the negotiation?

As of Friday, sounds like Dubs softening up from JK's threat to take QO?

If you think you're a star in waiting you shouldn't be worried that a team might not pick up your option? :dontknow:
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Post#1970 » by Twinkie defense » Sat Aug 2, 2025 5:54 am

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Onus wrote:Protections we want an unprotected 2030


Unprotected 1 seems unrealistic. I'd be surprised if they get a lotto protected.


They were offered a lottery protected first and turned it down… Seems unreasonable to me

Malik Monk is a problem there, too.
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Post#1971 » by azwfan » Sat Aug 2, 2025 6:28 am

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azwfan wrote:Im lazy to look up Monk’s contract but it must be horrendous if Warriors getting back a guaranteed future 1st and still not biting. Maybe they trying to squeeze an extra 2nd out of it… or maybe its more half truth reporting. Either way, makes for exciting reading.

The 1st being offered is lottery-protected (top-14). The claim is the Warriors want this as an unprotected 1st.

I decided to check out the various sites with fans from teams other than the Kings and the Warriors to see what they thought about Monk. A good number of them think he is a mediocre starter, while a good number of them think he is a solid 6th man but overpaid (still owed 3/$60.6M; $18.8M this season). When discussions came up about acquiring Monk, nearly all said pass.

The latter is disconcerting because I would hope the plan is to expand the S&T to reroute Monk to a 3rd team. Easier said than done, it would appear.

From the wiretap, the pick if not conveyed would be the Sac/SA pick the following season. So its a guaranteed 1st. Thats actually the pick I wanted from Sac a month ago when the rumor was they were giving up their young guard and 2x 2nds.

Monk was a solid player but it must be the 3rd year they have a problem with or perhaps Kerr doesnt like his game. Or… its not the offer at all.
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Post#1972 » by Twinkie defense » Sat Aug 2, 2025 6:39 am

whatisacenter wrote:If JK is willing to take the QO then the Warriors are screwed.

Why are the Warriors screwed? Because no worst of Kings or Spurs 2031 frp?
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Post#1973 » by Twinkie defense » Sat Aug 2, 2025 6:43 am

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whatisacenter wrote:If JK is willing to take the QO then the Warriors are screwed.


Why?


Because he becomes an expiring $9M player with a NTC and then becomes an UFA.

They lose the player and salary slot for nothing.

They also get a cheap backup player this season and his salary goes off the books next season.
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Post#1974 » by Old_Blue » Sat Aug 2, 2025 6:53 am

whatisacenter wrote:
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whatisacenter wrote:If JK is willing to take the QO then the Warriors are screwed.


Why?


Because he becomes an expiring $9M player with a NTC and then becomes an UFA.

They lose the player and salary slot for nothing.


What you are describing is classic sunk-cost fallacy...the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial. Reality is that once the Dubs passed on Franz Wagner and instead drafted Kuminga, a series of losses were already set in motion. Nothing can be done to undo that mistake. The best possible course of action for the Dubs now is to stem the tide of loss and not throw more good money after bad. If you're having a difficult time grasping the concept, Morpheus has a red pill with your name on it. If you take that path though, be aware that you're also likely to return to the real world as a billionaire hedge fund manager. :D
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1975 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Aug 2, 2025 7:32 am

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azwfan wrote:Im lazy to look up Monk’s contract but it must be horrendous if Warriors getting back a guaranteed future 1st and still not biting. Maybe they trying to squeeze an extra 2nd out of it… or maybe its more half truth reporting. Either way, makes for exciting reading.

The 1st being offered is lottery-protected (top-14). The claim is the Warriors want this as an unprotected 1st.

I decided to check out the various sites with fans from teams other than the Kings and the Warriors to see what they thought about Monk. A good number of them think he is a mediocre starter, while a good number of them think he is a solid 6th man but overpaid (still owed 3/$60.6M; $18.8M this season). When discussions came up about acquiring Monk, nearly all said pass.

The latter is disconcerting because I would hope the plan is to expand the S&T to reroute Monk to a 3rd team. Easier said than done, it would appear.

From the wiretap, the pick if not conveyed would be the Sac/SA pick the following season. So its a guaranteed 1st. Thats actually the pick I wanted from Sac a month ago when the rumor was they were giving up their young guard and 2x 2nds.

Monk was a solid player but it must be the 3rd year they have a problem with or perhaps Kerr doesnt like his game. Or… its not the offer at all.


Imo, there's alot of problems because of the current construction of this team.

3rd year
He cant guard.
Hes small.
He cant shoot.
His archetype is getting min level deals on the market.

And to get that first, we'd also need to send away moody or heild. Monk is a solid player, better 6th man. But that is an EXPENSIVE price tag for a guy no team wants. I think they are preying on the inexperience of mjd.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1976 » by vvoland » Sat Aug 2, 2025 7:43 am

Twinkie defense wrote:
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Twinkie defense wrote:What is it about a team option he doesn't like?


He lost injury and UFA protection. If you were him, do you want yourself to not get some protect for a short contract like that? And if he does good, he wants his money with player option... not team option with no control again.

Furthermore, Dubs wants him to wave the no trade clause. I saw on ESPN, maybe Slater, said that standard CBA on 1+1 is no trade clause.

So Dubs wants everything, and have JK lose all protection in the negotiation?

As of Friday, sounds like Dubs softening up from JK's threat to take QO?

If you think you're a star in waiting you shouldn't be worried that a team might not pick up your option? :dontknow:


If he got to keep the NTC that comes with that team option, he may have accepted it. At least, as per slater.
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Post#1977 » by EvanZ » Sat Aug 2, 2025 12:47 pm

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Post#1978 » by marthafokker » Sat Aug 2, 2025 3:07 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:
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Twinkie defense wrote:What is it about a team option he doesn't like?


He lost injury and UFA protection. If you were him, do you want yourself to not get some protect for a short contract like that? And if he does good, he wants his money with player option... not team option with no control again.

Furthermore, Dubs wants him to wave the no trade clause. I saw on ESPN, maybe Slater, said that standard CBA on 1+1 is no trade clause.

So Dubs wants everything, and have JK lose all protection in the negotiation?

As of Friday, sounds like Dubs softening up from JK's threat to take QO?

If you think you're a star in waiting you shouldn't be worried that a team might not pick up your option? :dontknow:


Exactly. So he rather do a QO and end this drama.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1979 » by marthafokker » Sat Aug 2, 2025 3:15 pm

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Why?


Because he becomes an expiring $9M player with a NTC and then becomes an UFA.

They lose the player and salary slot for nothing.

They also get a cheap backup player this season and his salary goes off the books next season.


That is a pipe dream. Playing him will be worse than sitting him at home. Every question to Kerr, management, and players will be about JK and not able the game.

The only play with JK taking the QO is to end this chapter and have $14 mil to sign FA.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#1980 » by AirP. » Sat Aug 2, 2025 3:18 pm

Bobby Marks talks about the Kuminga situation at 10:19.

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