Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[marthafokker]

That's pretty dramatic.

There is zero chance they tell him to stay home on the QO and zero chance he'd agree to it.

Both sides need him to play, and play well.

If JK signs the QO, JK is gone. No and if or but. And why would Dubs let him develop for another team? From seeing how Dubs giving him that offer, it is to only trade him. QO is death sentence for a trade, or any value... for that matter.

If he signs the QO, Dubs can do anything they want, including benching him. You think Kerr gives a F about JK? So I can see Dubs bluffing him into signing current offer. I can see JK be happy with QO too if Sacto has a handshake deal already. Unless he wins on more money.

The Warriors want to compete next year and if JK is on the roster, they'll need him to contribute. One way or other, once the business part of this is concluded, everyone will move forward with preparing for the season. And yes, I do think Kerr cares about him. He may be stubborn with how he goes about it but I think Kerr would like nothing more than for JK to be successful.

You think JK will listen to Kerr? When?

If Kerr puts him in, JK will shoot the ball. Even more than last year to pad stats. Didn't Kerr bench him for doing just that? Only way Kerr willing to not bench JK is firing Kerr. Kerr ain't listening to management to play him. And management ain't firing Kerr over JK.

You think Kerr will stand for even more JK drama?

Remember, Dubs need JK. JK needs to get off this team. Different goals. Just call it a lost experience and bench him, or trade for garbage. Playing him is not a win with all the distractions.

And sounds like you think everyone is happy once JK signs QO?

[CS707]

If JK signs the QO, JK is gone. No and if or but. And why would Dubs let him develop for another team? From seeing how Dubs giving him that offer, it is to only trade him. QO is death sentence for a trade, or any value... for that matter.

If he signs the QO, Dubs can do anything they want, including benching him. You think Kerr gives a F about JK? So I can see Dubs bluffing him into signing current offer. I can see JK be happy with QO too if Sacto has a handshake deal already. Unless he wins on more money.

The Warriors want to compete next year and if JK is on the roster, they'll need him to contribute. One way or other, once the business part of this is concluded, everyone will move forward with preparing for the season. And yes, I do think Kerr cares about him. He may be stubborn with how he goes about it but I think Kerr would like nothing more than for JK to be successful.

You think JK will listen to Kerr? When?

If Kerr puts him in, JK will shoot the ball. Even more than last year to pad stats. Didn't Kerr bench him for doing just that? Only way Kerr willing to not bench JK is firing Kerr. Kerr ain't listening to management to play him. And management ain't firing Kerr over JK.

You think Kerr will stand for even more JK drama?

Remember, Dubs need JK. JK needs to get off this team. Different goals. Just call it a lost experience and bench him, or trade for garbage. Playing him is not a win with all the distractions.

And sounds like you think everyone is happy once JK signs QO?

I don’t know how many different ways this can be explained. Kuminga has to play well next season to get the contract he’s looking for the following. You seem to think he’s some elite level prospect that can afford to eff around for a year and still have teams clamoring to sign him. He’s not. A season is forever in his situation and whatever minimal interest teams like the Kings have now can disappear in a heartbeat. He needs to play and play well. All of that runs through Steve Kerr.

[vvoland]

The Warriors want to compete next year and if JK is on the roster, they'll need him to contribute. One way or other, once the business part of this is concluded, everyone will move forward with preparing for the season. And yes, I do think Kerr cares about him. He may be stubborn with how he goes about it but I think Kerr would like nothing more than for JK to be successful.

You think JK will listen to Kerr? When?

If Kerr puts him in, JK will shoot the ball. Even more than last year to pad stats. Didn't Kerr bench him for doing just that? Only way Kerr willing to not bench JK is firing Kerr. Kerr ain't listening to management to play him. And management ain't firing Kerr over JK.

You think Kerr will stand for even more JK drama?

Remember, Dubs need JK. JK needs to get off this team. Different goals. Just call it a lost experience and bench him, or trade for garbage. Playing him is not a win with all the distractions.

And sounds like you think everyone is happy once JK signs QO?

I don’t know how many different ways this can be explained. Kuminga has to play well next season to get the contract he’s looking for the following. You seem to think he’s some elite level prospect that can afford to eff around for a year and still have teams clamoring to sign him. He’s not. A season is forever in his situation and whatever minimal interest teams like the Kings have now can disappear in a heartbeat. He needs to play and play well. All of that runs through Steve Kerr.

Jk will definitely need minutes and opportunities next year and he knows it. It's why he's exploring options with other teams, not so much to be the focus of the offense, he clearly wouldn't be in PHX or sac. He will, however, get more minutes than he would here, barring a few bad breaks for the dubs. I really think that's all he's looking for - a consistently big role.

Also, people gotta stop assuming the QO will actually happen. 2/45, even with a TO and no NTC, is miles better than 8m and a ntc, unless he really does care more about ball and his future in the league than money.

[CS707]

You think JK will listen to Kerr? When?

If Kerr puts him in, JK will shoot the ball. Even more than last year to pad stats. Didn't Kerr bench him for doing just that? Only way Kerr willing to not bench JK is firing Kerr. Kerr ain't listening to management to play him. And management ain't firing Kerr over JK.

You think Kerr will stand for even more JK drama?

Remember, Dubs need JK. JK needs to get off this team. Different goals. Just call it a lost experience and bench him, or trade for garbage. Playing him is not a win with all the distractions.

And sounds like you think everyone is happy once JK signs QO?

I don’t know how many different ways this can be explained. Kuminga has to play well next season to get the contract he’s looking for the following. You seem to think he’s some elite level prospect that can afford to eff around for a year and still have teams clamoring to sign him. He’s not. A season is forever in his situation and whatever minimal interest teams like the Kings have now can disappear in a heartbeat. He needs to play and play well. All of that runs through Steve Kerr.

Jk will definitely need minutes and opportunities next year and he knows it. It's why he's exploring options with other teams, not so much to be the focus of the offense, he clearly wouldn't be in PHX or sac. He will, however, get more minutes than he would here, barring a few bad breaks for the dubs. I really think that's all he's looking for - a consistently big role.

Also, people gotta stop assuming the QO will actually happen. 2/45, even with a TO and no NTC, is miles better than 8m and a ntc, unless he really does care more about ball and his future in the league than money.

I don’t think that what he’s looking for is out of the question here once the dust settles. The Warriors need him too. It’s high emotion right now but at some point the focus will shift to playing basketball. IMO at least.

[whatisacenter]

I don’t know how many different ways this can be explained. Kuminga has to play well next season to get the contract he’s looking for the following. You seem to think he’s some elite level prospect that can afford to eff around for a year and still have teams clamoring to sign him. He’s not. A season is forever in his situation and whatever minimal interest teams like the Kings have now can disappear in a heartbeat. He needs to play and play well. All of that runs through Steve Kerr.

Jk will definitely need minutes and opportunities next year and he knows it. It's why he's exploring options with other teams, not so much to be the focus of the offense, he clearly wouldn't be in PHX or sac. He will, however, get more minutes than he would here, barring a few bad breaks for the dubs. I really think that's all he's looking for - a consistently big role.

Also, people gotta stop assuming the QO will actually happen. 2/45, even with a TO and no NTC, is miles better than 8m and a ntc, unless he really does care more about ball and his future in the league than money.

I don’t think that what he’s looking for is out of the question here once the dust settles. The Warriors need him too. It’s high emotion right now but at some point the focus will shift to playing basketball. IMO at least.

I think the DNPCD's were the breaking point for Kuminga last season. I don't think he has any trust left.

[CS707]

Jk will definitely need minutes and opportunities next year and he knows it. It's why he's exploring options with other teams, not so much to be the focus of the offense, he clearly wouldn't be in PHX or sac. He will, however, get more minutes than he would here, barring a few bad breaks for the dubs. I really think that's all he's looking for - a consistently big role.

Also, people gotta stop assuming the QO will actually happen. 2/45, even with a TO and no NTC, is miles better than 8m and a ntc, unless he really does care more about ball and his future in the league than money.

I don’t think that what he’s looking for is out of the question here once the dust settles. The Warriors need him too. It’s high emotion right now but at some point the focus will shift to playing basketball. IMO at least.

I think the DNPCD's were the breaking point for Kuminga last season. I don't think he has any trust left.

Right now, no. But barring a trade he’s going to have to get over that.

[vvoland]

I don’t know how many different ways this can be explained. Kuminga has to play well next season to get the contract he’s looking for the following. You seem to think he’s some elite level prospect that can afford to eff around for a year and still have teams clamoring to sign him. He’s not. A season is forever in his situation and whatever minimal interest teams like the Kings have now can disappear in a heartbeat. He needs to play and play well. All of that runs through Steve Kerr.

Jk will definitely need minutes and opportunities next year and he knows it. It's why he's exploring options with other teams, not so much to be the focus of the offense, he clearly wouldn't be in PHX or sac. He will, however, get more minutes than he would here, barring a few bad breaks for the dubs. I really think that's all he's looking for - a consistently big role.

Also, people gotta stop assuming the QO will actually happen. 2/45, even with a TO and no NTC, is miles better than 8m and a ntc, unless he really does care more about ball and his future in the league than money.

I don’t think that what he’s looking for is out of the question here once the dust settles. The Warriors need him too. It’s high emotion right now but at some point the focus will shift to playing basketball. IMO at least.

I completely agree but we may be the last two people on this board that believe that. If he gets some of what he wants, like a guaranteed 2/48, no NTC or options, I think he'll be fine by preseason. If he actually gets the role kerr pitched him, he'll buy in and might excel.

If he does get buried, I don't think it'll be because he took the QO or got the 3/82. Neither would make an iota of difference to Kerr.

[marthafokker]

You guys need to listen/watch the podcast from 95.7 the game is morning.

I am trying to say this the whole time. Fans here think all is good to start the season no matter what happened. Dubs already press the Nuke button. If they don't start pulling back... all I see is QO and drama.

Let's see how this drama work out. Even when Myers gave all the money for Poole boy. That didn't fix sh@t. Now Dubs want to do the opposite and you guys think all is good? And the Kerr/JK drama is not an issue? Just like Dray/Poole was not an issue?

[Old_Blue]

You guys need to listen/watch the podcast from 95.7 the game is morning.

I am trying to say this the whole time. Fans here think all is good to start the season no matter what happened. Dubs already press the Nuke button. If they don't start pulling back... all I see is QO and drama.

Let's see how this drama work out. Even when Myers gave all the money for Poole boy. That didn't fix sh@t. Now Dubs want to do the opposite and you guys think all is good? And the Kerr/JK drama is not an issue? Just like Dray/Poole was not an issue?

Kuminga's team are holding over the Dubs the threat of sending them past the 1st luxury tax apron. Their goal is to drag this out, force the Dubs to fill other roster spots first, somehow land an offer from another team (likely Brooklyn since they still have cap space) and then force the Dubs to either match (and go past the 1st apron) or lose Kuminga for nothing. I'm not going to mince words. To put it bluntly, they are behaving like salary cap terrorists. And, you know what they say about negotiating with terrorists...Don't do it. Screw Kuminga. As far as I'm concerned, he's become the second coming of Patrick McCaw, only worse.

[marthafokker]

You guys need to listen/watch the podcast from 95.7 the game is morning.

I am trying to say this the whole time. Fans here think all is good to start the season no matter what happened. Dubs already press the Nuke button. If they don't start pulling back... all I see is QO and drama.

Let's see how this drama work out. Even when Myers gave all the money for Poole boy. That didn't fix sh@t. Now Dubs want to do the opposite and you guys think all is good? And the Kerr/JK drama is not an issue? Just like Dray/Poole was not an issue?

Kuminga's team are holding over the Dubs the threat of sending them past the 1st luxury tax apron. Their goal is to drag this out, force the Dubs to fill other roster spots first, somehow land an offer from another team (likely Brooklyn since they still have cap space) and then force the Dubs to either match (and go past the 1st apron) or lose Kuminga for nothing. I'm not going to mince words. To put it bluntly, they are behaving like salary cap terrorists. And, you know what they say about negotiating with terrorists...Don't do it. Screw Kuminga. As far as I'm concerned, he's become the second coming of Patrick McCaw, only worse.

JK's message is clear. Get him out of here. They are playing games if he can't get out and messup Dubs off season even more. That is the only leverage he has left knowing Dubs don't want to accept that they screwed up for not trading him already.

That is why the real solution are: trade him for scrap and call it a day; OR get him to sign QO and have him stay away.... sounds like Dubs don't want to admit they screwed up at any cost.

For me... I want him to sign the QO. Stay away. No drama. Save $14mil to help Curry by geting whatever FA left.

[vvoland]

You guys need to listen/watch the podcast from 95.7 the game is morning.

I am trying to say this the whole time. Fans here think all is good to start the season no matter what happened. Dubs already press the Nuke button. If they don't start pulling back... all I see is QO and drama.

Let's see how this drama work out. Even when Myers gave all the money for Poole boy. That didn't fix sh@t. Now Dubs want to do the opposite and you guys think all is good? And the Kerr/JK drama is not an issue? Just like Dray/Poole was not an issue?

Kuminga's team are holding over the Dubs the threat of sending them past the 1st luxury tax apron. Their goal is to drag this out, force the Dubs to fill other roster spots first, somehow land an offer from another team (likely Brooklyn since they still have cap space) and then force the Dubs to either match (and go past the 1st apron) or lose Kuminga for nothing. I'm not going to mince words. To put it bluntly, they are behaving like salary cap terrorists. And, you know what they say about negotiating with terrorists...Don't do it. Screw Kuminga. As far as I'm concerned, he's become the second coming of Patrick McCaw, only worse.

I'm not sure how you can be more wrong.

1. JK and team offered the dubs a 3 year deal that starts at a number that keeps them below the 2nd apron, even after the horford signing, since there is little interest/ability in staying under the first. That was their offer, meaning the middle ground is likely to be lower, see point 2:

2. Slater reported that the sticking point on the 2/45 offer that gsw made, wasn't the years or the money or the role or whatever else this board has made up. Instead, it was the combination of the team option AND the requirement that JK drop the NTC everyone gets with that non-guarantee. I don't believe anyone has waived it before but I could be wrong.


Yet, it's JK that's being a richard in these negotiations? Those are some impressive gymnastics, mental or otherwise.

The fact that you think he's worse than mccaw is just the cherry on sundae.

[bay2hk]

JK and his team will fold as we approach 10/1. Don’t see Warriors extending the QO past 10/1 if JK doesn’t sign the extension offer or take the QO.

Just need to wait a few more months to play this out. We’ll have horford, GP2 and melton in camp once the QO expires

[xdrta+]

I'm not sure how you can be more wrong.

1. JK and team offered the dubs a 3 year deal that starts at a number that keeps them below the 2nd apron, even after the horford signing, since there is little interest/ability in staying under the first. That was their offer, meaning the middle ground is likely to be lower, see point 2:

2. Slater reported that the sticking point on the 2/45 offer that gsw made, wasn't the years or the money or the role or whatever else this board has made up. Instead, it was the combination of the team option AND the requirement that JK drop the NTC everyone gets with that non-guarantee. I don't believe anyone has waived it before but I could be wrong.

It's a new wrinkle in the current cba that allows it. Jackson Hayes waived it for LA. The Bucks signed a bunch of 1+1 contracts (Prince, Porter jr, Trent Jr, Harris, Sims) and according to reports most of them waived the ntc. I'm sure there are others. Their Bird rights still revert to non-Bird if they're traded, though.

[vvoland]

I'm not sure how you can be more wrong.

1. JK and team offered the dubs a 3 year deal that starts at a number that keeps them below the 2nd apron, even after the horford signing, since there is little interest/ability in staying under the first. That was their offer, meaning the middle ground is likely to be lower, see point 2:

2. Slater reported that the sticking point on the 2/45 offer that gsw made, wasn't the years or the money or the role or whatever else this board has made up. Instead, it was the combination of the team option AND the requirement that JK drop the NTC everyone gets with that non-guarantee. I don't believe anyone has waived it before but I could be wrong.

It's a new wrinkle in the current cba that allows it. Jackson Hayes waived it for LA. The Bucks signed a bunch of 1+1 contracts (Prince, Porter jr, Trent Jr, Harris, Sims) and according to reports most of them waived the ntc. I'm sure there are others. Their Bird rights still revert to non-Bird if they're traded, though.

I figured that level of player would waive it and we wouldn't have heard about it, hence by qualifier. Thanks for clearing that up. Those were all minimum deals, or close to it, I imagine?

[ChuckDurn]

Jk will definitely need minutes and opportunities next year and he knows it. It's why he's exploring options with other teams, not so much to be the focus of the offense, he clearly wouldn't be in PHX or sac. He will, however, get more minutes than he would here, barring a few bad breaks for the dubs. I really think that's all he's looking for - a consistently big role.

Also, people gotta stop assuming the QO will actually happen. 2/45, even with a TO and no NTC, is miles better than 8m and a ntc, unless he really does care more about ball and his future in the league than money.

I don’t think that what he’s looking for is out of the question here once the dust settles. The Warriors need him too. It’s high emotion right now but at some point the focus will shift to playing basketball. IMO at least.

I completely agree but we may be the last two people on this board that believe that. If he gets some of what he wants, like a guaranteed 2/48, no NTC or options, I think he'll be fine by preseason. If he actually gets the role kerr pitched him, he'll buy in and might excel.

If he does get buried, I don't think it'll be because he took the QO or got the 3/82. Neither would make an iota of difference to Kerr.

I’m the third one on the board who believes it.

I think a big question that we don’t know the answer to is “do the vets - Curry, Draymond, Butler - want him back? Or are they done with him?”

If they aren’t done with him, the locker room will be fine, and things will work out.

[xdrta+]

It's a new wrinkle in the current cba that allows it. Jackson Hayes waived it for LA. The Bucks signed a bunch of 1+1 contracts (Prince, Porter jr, Trent Jr, Harris, Sims) and according to reports most of them waived the ntc. I'm sure there are others. Their Bird rights still revert to non-Bird if they're traded, though.

I figured that level of player would waive it and we wouldn't have heard about it, hence by qualifier. Thanks for clearing that up. Those were all minimum deals, or close to it, I imagine?

Not all minimums. Most are a little more, Porter Jr is 5.1 this year and PO for 5.8 next. The Bucks all get POs. Hayes is a little more than minimum but interestingly, it's a straight 1 year deal, no options. Btw, I learned that the player who has the honor of being the first to waive the clause is D’Angelo Russell when he signed a 36M 1+1 contract with the Lakers in 2023. Must have been soon after the new CBA went into effect.

[vvoland]

It's a new wrinkle in the current cba that allows it. Jackson Hayes waived it for LA. The Bucks signed a bunch of 1+1 contracts (Prince, Porter jr, Trent Jr, Harris, Sims) and according to reports most of them waived the ntc. I'm sure there are others. Their Bird rights still revert to non-Bird if they're traded, though.

I figured that level of player would waive it and we wouldn't have heard about it, hence by qualifier. Thanks for clearing that up. Those were all minimum deals, or close to it, I imagine?

Not all minimums. Most are a little more, Porter Jr is 5.1 this year and PO for 5.8 next. The Bucks all get POs. Hayes is a little more than minimum but interestingly, it's a straight 1 year deal, no options. Btw, I learned that the player who has the honor of being the first to waive the clause is D’Angelo Russell when he signed a 36M 1+1 contract with the Lakers in 2023. Must have been soon after the new CBA went into effect.

You mean all the bucks players (kpj, Trent, Prince) got player options but had to waive the NTC? That makes sense. I'd imagine JK would have seriously considered that.

The d'lo one is the comparable contact. Was that also a team option in year 2?

[vvoland]

I don’t think that what he’s looking for is out of the question here once the dust settles. The Warriors need him too. It’s high emotion right now but at some point the focus will shift to playing basketball. IMO at least.

I completely agree but we may be the last two people on this board that believe that. If he gets some of what he wants, like a guaranteed 2/48, no NTC or options, I think he'll be fine by preseason. If he actually gets the role kerr pitched him, he'll buy in and might excel.

If he does get buried, I don't think it'll be because he took the QO or got the 3/82. Neither would make an iota of difference to Kerr.

I’m the third one on the board who believes it.

I think a big question that we don’t know the answer to is “do the vets - Curry, Draymond, Butler - want him back? Or are they done with him?”

If they aren’t done with him, the locker room will be fine, and things will work out.

If they didn't, I think he'd be gone. So I'd guess they believe in him a bit more than they do in Monk or Devin Carter or O'Neal/Richards, etc...

I'm sure if it was Ellis or someone better than that, the vets would be the first to wish jk the best.

[Ilovethebay]

I don’t think that what he’s looking for is out of the question here once the dust settles. The Warriors need him too. It’s high emotion right now but at some point the focus will shift to playing basketball. IMO at least.

I completely agree but we may be the last two people on this board that believe that. If he gets some of what he wants, like a guaranteed 2/48, no NTC or options, I think he'll be fine by preseason. If he actually gets the role kerr pitched him, he'll buy in and might excel.

If he does get buried, I don't think it'll be because he took the QO or got the 3/82. Neither would make an iota of difference to Kerr.

I’m the third one on the board who believes it.

I think a big question that we don’t know the answer to is “do the vets - Curry, Draymond, Butler - want him back? Or are they done with him?”

If they aren’t done with him, the locker room will be fine, and things will work out.

4th guy .

[xdrta+]

You mean all the bucks players (kpj, Trent, Prince) got player options but had to waive the NTC? That makes sense. I'd imagine JK would have seriously considered that.

The d'lo one is the comparable contact. Was that also a team option in year 2?

Player Option (18.7M.) He exercised it in 6/24.