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Post#1781 » by gswhoops » Fri Aug 1, 2025 5:25 pm

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So its 2025 and we have more in depth shooting data, and Duncan Robinson has some of the most valuable shooting seasons of all-time. It's not just his percentages but also how he can shoot coming off screens at full speed, has an instant release, not a corner specialist or catch and shoot specialist etc...

I know you mean well, but it really is important to realize there are levels to this and it goes well beyond just what percentage you shoot. For but one simple example look at the 3P% for Delon Wright his one year in Dallas -- 37% very solid. Davis Bertans over two partial seasons in Dallas shot 36% and 39% respectively. Or about the same. Yet I can assure you Bertans was creating infinitely more space because of how scared teams were of him because of his size, the fastest release in the world, his ability to shoot from well beyond the arc. etc... Wright would have wide open 3's in the corner and hesitate and teams just yawned.

Juzang may be a useful piece for the Wolves. I hope he is, but Robinson is not just a random shooter. There is a reason he has gotten the contracts he has. Robinson is much more like Kyle Korver than he is Juzang.

Agree with all of this, which is not to say that I dislike the Wolves adding Juzang as an end of the bench guy. There's certainly value to a guy who can reliably hit C&S 3s, especially one like Juzang with decent enough size to survive on the wing.

My favorite example of this: Draymond shot almost 40% from 3 in 23-24 (39.5%), but it wasn't like teams were suddenly sprinting over to close out on an open Draymond 3.


Yep, context matters.

Jacob Poeltl is a career 43% on 3s (no lie, no green text)

The inescapable conclusion is that Poeltl is a better 3pt shooter than Steph.
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Post#1782 » by oldncreaky » Sat Aug 2, 2025 3:17 pm

Moved from the "Your Teams Depth chart" thread

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oldncreaky wrote:Detroit Pistons

Just the players that deserve PT, putting them in their most natural position (which highlights the roster issues)

PG: Cunningham
SG: Ivey, Sasser
SF: Thompson, Lavert, Holland, DRobinson
PF: Harris
C: Duren, Stewart, Reed

Others: Klintman (PF), Lanier (SG), Smith (PF, 2way), Harper Jr (SG, 2way)

We have 2 open regular roster spots plus 1 2way, about $24M space under the tax line, usable exceptions of $5.1M and $14.1M --- and a glaring need for a backup PG


Ivey / Sasser / LeVert are more combo guards than true wings in my eyes. They’re not natural floor generals, but all have the skills to be your primary ball handler for a stretch with some playmaking to keep their team-mates involved.

Duncan Robinson’s evolution as a ball handler has also been fascinating in recent years, he’s still getting paid for his sharp shooting, but he can create with the ball a lot more than you’d expect. Throw in some ball handling skills from your forwards (Ausar / Holland / Harris) and I think there’s enough there for Cade to be the only natural playmaker…at least if Ivey can take a step as a floor general to really lead the offense when Cade rests.

We can label it differently, but I think we'll see the minutes go something like:

Cade / Ivey / Sasser
Ivey / LeVert / Robinson
Ausar / Holland / LeVert
Harris / Ausar / Holland
Duren / Stewart / Reed

So when Cade sits you'll play:
Ivey - LeVert/Sasser - 2x Thompson/Holland/Harris/Robinson - Duren/Stewart/Reed

That's 4 guys who can bring the ball up the court & kill closeouts at the very least. With two guys who can be your primary ballhandler for stretches. The offense will obviously suffer without Cade stirring the drink, but with your defense, it doesn't need to be otherworldly to let Cade stay fresh.


Reasonable take. I agree that the wings can also act as combo guards, and that we shouldn't have any shortage of guys who can bring the ball up the floor. At the end of the day, I'm not sure how much the positional labels really matter, and you can get away with playing a bunch of switchable wings for long stretches anyway.

But except for the 25 games when we had Schroeder at the end of last season, Detroit has had an issue at backup PG since the indomitable Cory Joseph moved on. Cade is the only guy we are certain can lead the attack, and while Ivey has shown flashes, we've got a 2-season track record of the Pistons looking abysmal whenever Cade is off the floor. Teams that have this weakness (overly reliant on their #1) can have a decent regular season, but come play-offs, it's often a killer.

For me this is the biggest issue/question for the squad: will Ivey step forward as a lead guard, and if he doesn't, can we dig up a backup PG before the playoffs?
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Post#1783 » by Devilanche » Sat Aug 2, 2025 10:49 pm

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For me this is the biggest issue/question for the squad: will Ivey step forward as a lead guard, and if he doesn't, can we dig up a backup PG before the playoffs?

Any reason Detroit didn’t really pursue re-signing Schroeder or one of the backup PG ? Given Cade size you guys can really run some 2PG lineup more than most teams at least .
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Post#1784 » by Mavrelous » Sun Aug 3, 2025 9:43 am

Smitty does a listing of the roster spot status
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GSW has 8 spots to fill, in August!
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Post#1785 » by oldncreaky » Sun Aug 3, 2025 12:39 pm

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For me this is the biggest issue/question for the squad: will Ivey step forward as a lead guard, and if he doesn't, can we dig up a backup PG before the playoffs?

Any reason Detroit didn’t really pursue re-signing Schroeder or one of the backup PG ? Given Cade size you guys can really run some 2PG lineup more than most teams at least .


AFAIK it was always Dennis' choice. The Pistons say they wanted to keep him, but at a reasonable price for a backup. He's pretty infamous for moving for more minutes, exposure and the possibility of starting. He'd have no shot at starting in Detroit.
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Post#1786 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Aug 3, 2025 2:54 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
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oldncreaky wrote:
For me this is the biggest issue/question for the squad: will Ivey step forward as a lead guard, and if he doesn't, can we dig up a backup PG before the playoffs?

Any reason Detroit didn’t really pursue re-signing Schroeder or one of the backup PG ? Given Cade size you guys can really run some 2PG lineup more than most teams at least .


AFAIK it was always Dennis' choice. The Pistons say they wanted to keep him, but at a reasonable price for a backup. He's pretty infamous for moving for more minutes, exposure and the possibility of starting. He'd have no shot at starting in Detroit.



That, and it seemed Detroit was always valuing true shooters with that spot? They had a deal ready to execute with Beasley, and when that was killed by Beasley’s gambling allegations, they seemed to flip to Duncan Robinson? Dennis has had good shooting years, but he’s never been consistently reliable year over year, and he’s never had the movement/quick shooting of Beasley/Robinson…. :dontknow:
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Post#1787 » by gswhoops » Sun Aug 3, 2025 3:23 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Smitty does a listing of the roster spot status
Read on Twitter


GSW has 8 spots to fill, in August!

At this point I just want to be done with the Kuminga saga so we can actually focus on the upcoming season lol.

The WOTS is that we have handshake deals in place with Horford and Melton but obviously nothing's official until it's signed...
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Post#1788 » by Mavrelous » Sun Aug 3, 2025 3:30 pm

gswhoops wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Smitty does a listing of the roster spot status
Read on Twitter


GSW has 8 spots to fill, in August!

At this point I just want to be done with the Kuminga saga so we can actually focus on the upcoming season lol.

The WOTS is that we have handshake deals in place with Horford and Melton but obviously nothing's official until it's signed...

My guess is Kuminga, Horford, GPII and Melton are 4 of the 6, so they need 1 vet min and 1 2-way.
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Post#1789 » by Richard4444 » Sun Aug 3, 2025 11:40 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:Smitty does a listing of the roster spot status
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GSW has 8 spots to fill, in August!

At this point I just want to be done with the Kuminga saga so we can actually focus on the upcoming season lol.

The WOTS is that we have handshake deals in place with Horford and Melton but obviously nothing's official until it's signed...

My guess is Kuminga, Horford, GPII and Melton are 4 of the 6, so they need 1 vet min and 1 2-way.


Rumors say Horford, GP2 and Melton are verbally locked with GSW.

Kuminga can still be signed and traded. He does not want to return to GSW.
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Post#1790 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 1:23 pm

GSW are going to be good this season.
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Post#1791 » by daoneandonly » Mon Aug 4, 2025 1:38 pm

zimpy27 wrote:GSW are going to be good this season.


All the more reason for Dallas to pivot and start building around Flagg imo, rather than foolishly believe AD can lead a team to contention.
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Post#1792 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 1:40 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:GSW are going to be good this season.


All the more reason for Dallas to pivot and start building around Flagg imo, rather than foolishly believe AD can lead a team to contention.


Dallas will be excellent. Davis is far better than you realise.
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Post#1793 » by daoneandonly » Mon Aug 4, 2025 1:44 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:GSW are going to be good this season.


All the more reason for Dallas to pivot and start building around Flagg imo, rather than foolishly believe AD can lead a team to contention.


Dallas will be excellent. Davis is far better than you realise.


Subjective. He's a great player, but he's always hurt, so his greatness doesn't carry as much weight. Not to mention he's proven he's not a #1 on a true championship team
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Post#1794 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 2:28 pm

I know this guy is questionable but if the warriors get an unprotected pick for a Kuminga sign and trade…

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Post#1795 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 2:36 pm

That's a haul..

Kuminga is not worth this.
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Post#1796 » by HornetJail » Mon Aug 4, 2025 2:40 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I know this guy is questionable but if the warriors get an unprotected pick for a Kuminga sign and trade…

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forget the pick, why are the Kings even trading Monk for Kuminga (who will likely also be on a larger contract)

unprotected pick or not, the Warriors should do this asap before the Kings reconsider how dumb this is
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Post#1797 » by Mavrelous » Mon Aug 4, 2025 2:44 pm

Kangz again?
I get Monk and protected 1st, unprotecting it would stupid, but it's Sidery he's probabely aggregating some random tweet.
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Post#1798 » by toooskies » Mon Aug 4, 2025 4:10 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Kangz again?
I get Monk and protected 1st, unprotecting it would stupid, but it's Sidery he's probabely aggregating some random tweet.

BYC rules seem easier than they used to be, so I think that works as long as Kuminga makes $~23m in the first year of his new contract. (Fanspo's and Spotrac's trade machines disagree slightly on what's allowed, but I think it works both ways.)

I have no idea what Sacramento's plan at guard would be if they move Monk, though.
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Post#1799 » by jbk1234 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 4:19 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I know this guy is questionable but if the warriors get an unprotected pick for a Kuminga sign and trade…

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In fairness, the post reads IF the Kings remove the protections from the pick it would be done. IF someone offers me twice market value for my home, I'd sell it even though I'm not in the market.
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Post#1800 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Aug 4, 2025 4:44 pm

not sure I get the Warriors stance on Kuminga. Now I agree they shouldn't take a deal they don't like. Or offer a contract more than they are comfortable with, but at this point just pull the QO and be done with it. This is already a guy who is a selfish player and if you make him play out next year on effectively a one year deal, well I'm guessing he does more harm than he helps. Let the Kings know that if they can get another team to take Monk so they take back no money, they will cooperate on moving him along.

I just can't see having him there next year being a positive for the Warriors next year. Not when all he is going to be thinking about is getting paid.
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