Bears 12.0

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Ozzy will all the reps with the 1s today according to Jahns. They had been mixing reps each day.

He could be in the lead at LT. love to see it.

The talk about Ozzy starting being the best outcome is not something I can agree with. I was rooting for Jones to maintain or improve because Jones starting means the Bears would retain his compensation/trade value. Now, it’s going to get wasted. And, a rookie LT is always dicey for the quarterback. I don’t actually believe the Bears wanted Ozzy to win the job this year for those reasons. But it is what it is.

[dice]

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Say what you want about Poles, but he has been ahead of the curve on paying his guys before the market raises the floor. And he’s done it multiple times.

Poles has paid market value on his deals, don’t make it out to be more than it has been. The market moves past most free agents in a couple years after signing if they maintain their level of play. If JJ (or even Gordon) wanted to sign a year early at less than what he could have gotten had he waited, that’s more of a JJ thing than a genius Bears move.

Generally, paying a wide receiver like DJ is not something you want to do. Not unless you’re already set up for making a very deep run. And it hasn’t quite paid dividends. The best WR strategy is keep drafting them high, and trading them before the big payday. And the contracts to Kmet and Sweat have not paid off relative to their salaries. And lets not talk about Nate Davis and Edmunds even though that’s not the point you were trying to make. Dayo doesn’t appear to be a value deal. Poles has an extremely mixed record on paying free agents.

-traded for sweat rather than navigate FA. extended him a year early. rather than get the typical discount, poles was pressured into a quick overpay
-traded for jackson rather than navigate FA. then inexplicably gave a guy who was injured and benched last year a gift extension...a year early
-extended gordon a year early. again did not get a discount but rather doled out a record deal for a nickel
-traded for thuney rather than sign a FA. extended him a year early for ages 34-36

clearly poles does not like to and is not good at negotiating. if he is the anti-jerry jones, perhaps both extremes are bad

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Say what you want about Poles, but he has been ahead of the curve on paying his guys before the market raises the floor. And he’s done it multiple times.

Poles has paid market value on his deals, don’t make it out to be more than it has been. The market moves past most free agents in a couple years after signing if they maintain their level of play. If JJ (or even Gordon) wanted to sign a year early at less than what he could have gotten had he waited, that’s more of a JJ thing than a genius Bears move.

Generally, paying a wide receiver like DJ is not something you want to do. Not unless you’re set up for making a very deep run. And it hasn’t quite paid dividends. The best WR strategy is keep drafting them high, and trading them before the big payday. And the contracts to Kmet and Sweat have not paid off relative to their salaries. And lets not talk about Nate Davis and Edmunds even though that’s not the point you were trying to make. Dayo doesn’t appear to be a value deal. Poles has an extremely mixed record on paying free agents.

-traded for sweat rather than navigate FA. extended him a year early. rather than get the typical discount, poles was pressured into a quick overpay
-traded for jackson rather than navigate FA. then inexplicably gave a guy who was injured and benched last year a gift extension...a year early
-extended gordon a year early. again did not get a discount but rather doled out a record deal for a nickel
-traded for thuney rather than sign a FA. extended him a year early for ages 34-36

clearly poles does not like to and is not good at negotiating. if he is the anti-jerry jones, perhaps both extremes are bad

Speaking of Jackson, there’s not much recent functional availability difference between he and Tevin Jenkins. They must know something we don’t know as to why putting Jackson at RG is worth so much more financial and draft asset sacrifice than putting Jenkins at RG.

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[dice]

Poles has paid market value on his deals, don’t make it out to be more than it has been. The market moves past most free agents in a couple years after signing if they maintain their level of play. If JJ (or even Gordon) wanted to sign a year early at less than what he could have gotten had he waited, that’s more of a JJ thing than a genius Bears move.

Generally, paying a wide receiver like DJ is not something you want to do. Not unless you’re already set up for making a very deep run. And it hasn’t quite paid dividends. The best WR strategy is keep drafting them high, and trading them before the big payday. And the contracts to Kmet and Sweat have not paid off relative to their salaries. And lets not talk about Nate Davis and Edmunds even though that’s not the point you were trying to make. Dayo doesn’t appear to be a value deal. Poles has an extremely mixed record on paying free agents.

-traded for sweat rather than navigate FA. extended him a year early. rather than get the typical discount, poles was pressured into a quick overpay
-traded for jackson rather than navigate FA. then inexplicably gave a guy who was injured and benched last year a gift extension...a year early
-extended gordon a year early. again did not get a discount but rather doled out a record deal for a nickel
-traded for thuney rather than sign a FA. extended him a year early for ages 34-36

clearly poles does not like to and is not good at negotiating. if he is the anti-jerry jones, perhaps both extremes are bad

Speaking of Jackson, there’s not much recent functional availability difference between he and Tevin Jenkins. They must know something we don’t know as to why putting Jackson at RG is worth so much more financial and draft asset sacrifice than putting Jenkins at RG.

if we're being charitable, they didn't know jenkins would end up signing for scratch when trading for jackson. the reality is that there was much public pressure for change and BJ wanted jackson, whose only good season was under him

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Caleb has to be better than all of Stroud, Young, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy. Otherwise the Bears take the L.

caleb was the consensus top pick. washington would have taken him and if they say otherwise they're lying. if daniels ends up being better but both are excellent, that ain't a loss. same w/ all those other guys. context matters

caleb has to be really good. that's all. the most viable comparison point IMO is love right now based on current trajectories. and frankly, cutler may be the minimum bar to clear, although i said that for fields and caleb's expectations were/are higher. cutler was a pretty average starting QB here, but his O-lines were generally poor and the offense had little for him to work with at the beginning. 7 solid, healthy years but little team success was certainly not the expectation

As I have said, “consensus” in NFL draft publications is meaningless to an NFL FO. Individual GMs have to make decisions based on their own evaluations.

In the Bears case, a GM does not need do their homework completely. Your boss is George McCaskey, and you get an extension before all the returns are in.

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Wow this is aggressive

Looks like he said he would stop posting video, and he didn’t stop. You would have to be pretty densely determined to continue posting video and use some self invented exception to the rule in order to continue. I don’t believe his story, and he should just total mea culpa to improve his chances to get back in there.

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Say what you want about Poles, but he has been ahead of the curve on paying his guys before the market raises the floor. And he’s done it multiple times.

Poles has paid market value on his deals, don’t make it out to be more than it has been. The market moves past most free agents in a couple years after signing if they maintain their level of play. If JJ (or even Gordon) wanted to sign a year early at less than what he could have gotten had he waited, that’s more of a JJ thing than a genius Bears move.

Generally, paying a wide receiver like DJ is not something you want to do. Not unless you’re already set up for making a very deep run. And it hasn’t quite paid dividends. The best WR strategy is keep drafting them high, and trading them before the big payday. And the contracts to Kmet and Sweat have not paid off relative to their salaries. And lets not talk about Nate Davis and Edmunds even though that’s not the point you were trying to make. Dayo doesn’t appear to be a value deal. Poles has an extremely mixed record on paying free agents.

-traded for sweat rather than navigate FA. extended him a year early. rather than get the typical discount, poles was pressured into a quick overpay
-traded for jackson rather than navigate FA. then inexplicably gave a guy who was injured and benched last year a gift extension...a year early
-extended gordon a year early. again did not get a discount but rather doled out a record deal for a nickel
-traded for thuney rather than sign a FA. extended him a year early for ages 34-36

clearly poles does not like to and is not good at negotiating. if he is the anti-jerry jones, perhaps both extremes are bad

Yeah because when you go through FA to get players, you often over pay, and there are no guarantees the player you want will sign with you. If you want to be sure to get your man, you have to overpay. So instead of that, Poles uses a draft pick to make sure he doesn't have to overpay, and he gets the player he wants. It has nothing to do with his negotiating skills. It's his method. Whether it pays off or not we'll know in the next season or two.

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I would give up 2 first for Parsons. At some point GM needs to go all in on this team. If you confident you have right QB (on rookie deal), right coach. You need to go for guy asking for trade in their prime.

This kind of opportunities dont happen often.

EXACT same argument for trading for mack. is the QB/coach combo for the bears more enticing now? yes. still not sound strategy. 'cause guess what - if caleb/BJ is the real thing, the championship window is indefinite. and hitting on as many draft picks as possible is the lifeblood of continued success

then there's the fundamental logic that simply doesn't go away no matter how much the wide-eyed stargazers want it to: you have to add the value of the traded assets to the salary of the incoming player! E.g.:

a random first round pick could probably be sold for $25 mil ($5 mil per year of the contract). that means that if the bears give up 2 firsts (thus forcing them to extend parsons on HIS terms - say 5/200 conservatively), they're now effectively doling out 50 mil a year in assets for his services. when the cowboys don't even want to pay him his $40 mil a year market value

let someone else be that desperate

Quarterbacks are the only players ever worth 2 number 1s. Some kind of Ricky Williams trade. And that’s without figuring in paying $40 million a year. The most I’m doing is a 26 FRP, and a 27 third. No deal? Fine, let someone else be that desperate.

I cannot think of a worse architectural team build plan than turning all your picks into maximal mega deals. That’s the short term road to hell? but somehow we want to do this every season within the fanbase.

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-traded for sweat rather than navigate FA. extended him a year early. rather than get the typical discount, poles was pressured into a quick overpay
-traded for jackson rather than navigate FA. then inexplicably gave a guy who was injured and benched last year a gift extension...a year early
-extended gordon a year early. again did not get a discount but rather doled out a record deal for a nickel
-traded for thuney rather than sign a FA. extended him a year early for ages 34-36

clearly poles does not like to and is not good at negotiating. if he is the anti-jerry jones, perhaps both extremes are bad

Speaking of Jackson, there’s not much recent functional availability difference between he and Tevin Jenkins. They must know something we don’t know as to why putting Jackson at RG is worth so much more financial and draft asset sacrifice than putting Jenkins at RG.

if we're being charitable, they didn't know jenkins would end up signing for scratch when trading for jackson. the reality is that there was much public pressure for change and BJ wanted jackson, whose only good season was under him

I love the way Poles is always talking like he is the measured guy. ‘We can’t be forcing outcomes until they are available and smart to do’. Meanwhile Claypool and Sweat, and he miraculously found the time was right to suddenly replace 80% of his offensive line in one fell swoop. (Somehow this was unable to be accomplished for Fields).


I can see Poles reacting to public pressure and impatience, because as you note, he is very impatient as a GM, tries to force unnecessary and premature outcomes (i.e Sweat) before the team is actually ready to take advantage of forcing an immediate outcome. I just hope he learns on the job because he is the exact opposite of what he claimed he was gonna do, which is build through the draft and not rush the roster forward in inefficient ways. So, I kind of brace myself for this guy to pull a Ricky Williams deal for Micah Parsons.

[dice]

Caleb has to be better than all of Stroud, Young, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy. Otherwise the Bears take the L.

caleb was the consensus top pick. washington would have taken him and if they say otherwise they're lying. if daniels ends up being better but both are excellent, that ain't a loss. same w/ all those other guys. context matters

caleb has to be really good. that's all. the most viable comparison point IMO is love right now based on current trajectories. and frankly, cutler may be the minimum bar to clear, although i said that for fields and caleb's expectations were/are higher. cutler was a pretty average starting QB here, but his O-lines were generally poor and the offense had little for him to work with at the beginning. 7 solid, healthy years but little team success was certainly not the expectation

As I have said, “consensus” in NFL draft publications is meaningless to an NFL FO. Individual GMs have to make decisions based on their own evaluations.

In the Bears case, a GM does not need do their homework completely. Your boss is George McCaskey, and you get an extension before all the returns are in.

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i would bet that payton still would have taken caleb. it's all well and good to say "well, EYE would have done this..." after the fact. but when has a consensus #1 draft pick in ANY major american sport not been drafted #1? a GM would trade the pick before he would put his giant balls on the chopping block by shocking the world

and by the way, that tweet could still end up making payton look plenty dumb

[dice]

Speaking of Jackson, there’s not much recent functional availability difference between he and Tevin Jenkins. They must know something we don’t know as to why putting Jackson at RG is worth so much more financial and draft asset sacrifice than putting Jenkins at RG.

if we're being charitable, they didn't know jenkins would end up signing for scratch when trading for jackson. the reality is that there was much public pressure for change and BJ wanted jackson, whose only good season was under him

I can see Poles reacting to public pressure and impatience, because as you note, he is very impatient as a GM, tries to force unnecessary and premature outcomes (i.e Sweat) before the team is actually ready to take advantage of forcing an immediate outcome. I just hope he learns on the job because he is the exact opposite of what he claimed he was gonna do, which is build through the draft and not rush the roster forward in inefficient ways. So, I kind of brace myself for this guy to pull a Ricky Williams deal for Micah Parsons.

if BJ is for it. which is the other element of this i don't like. it SEEMS to be a co-GM sort of situation at best. or, at worst, BJ giving poles his wish list and poles doing the legwork

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if we're being charitable, they didn't know jenkins would end up signing for scratch when trading for jackson. the reality is that there was much public pressure for change and BJ wanted jackson, whose only good season was under him

I can see Poles reacting to public pressure and impatience, because as you note, he is very impatient as a GM, tries to force unnecessary and premature outcomes (i.e Sweat) before the team is actually ready to take advantage of forcing an immediate outcome. I just hope he learns on the job because he is the exact opposite of what he claimed he was gonna do, which is build through the draft and not rush the roster forward in inefficient ways. So, I kind of brace myself for this guy to pull a Ricky Williams deal for Micah Parsons.

if BJ is for it. which is the other element of this i don't like. it SEEMS to be a co-GM sort of situation at best. or, at worst, BJ giving poles his wish list and poles doing the legwork

Poles needs a co GM. Cunningham showed that during the run up to the Odunze pick. That’s what is keeping this in perspective for me not to worry about it as much as it normally would be worrying. The co-GM. Unlike Cunningham, BJ actually has the power to keep Poles’s jitters in check beyond wise counsel.

The wish list will be smarter going forward. Don’t mind Poles executing it, assuming he doesn’t force it. I don’t believe Ben will let that happen though.

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I can see Poles reacting to public pressure and impatience, because as you note, he is very impatient as a GM, tries to force unnecessary and premature outcomes (i.e Sweat) before the team is actually ready to take advantage of forcing an immediate outcome. I just hope he learns on the job because he is the exact opposite of what he claimed he was gonna do, which is build through the draft and not rush the roster forward in inefficient ways. So, I kind of brace myself for this guy to pull a Ricky Williams deal for Micah Parsons.

if BJ is for it. which is the other element of this i don't like. it SEEMS to be a co-GM sort of situation at best. or, at worst, BJ giving poles his wish list and poles doing the legwork

Poles needs a co GM. Cunningham showed that during the run up to the Odunze pick. That’s what is keeping this in perspective for me not to worry about it as much as it normally would be worrying. The co-GM. Unlike Cunningham, BJ actually has the power to keep Poles’s jitters in check beyond wise counsel.

The wish list will be smarter going forward. Don’t mind Poles executing it, assuming he doesn’t force it. I don’t believe Ben will let that happen though.

good chance BJ discovers the hard way that staying in his lane is the best way to prolong his head coaching career. so poles is fired 2-3 years down the road and we start again at GM...hopefully w/o having to do so at QB as well

[dice]

Speaking of Jackson, there’s not much recent functional availability difference between he and Tevin Jenkins. They must know something we don’t know as to why putting Jackson at RG is worth so much more financial and draft asset sacrifice than putting Jenkins at RG.

if we're being charitable, they didn't know jenkins would end up signing for scratch when trading for jackson. the reality is that there was much public pressure for change and BJ wanted jackson, whose only good season was under him

I love the way Poles is always talking like he is the measured guy. ‘We can’t be forcing outcomes until they are available and smart to do’. Meanwhile Claypool and Sweat, and he miraculously found the time was right to suddenly replace 80% of his offensive line in one fell swoop. (Somehow this was unable to be accomplished for Fields).


I can see Poles reacting to public pressure and impatience, because as you note, he is very impatient as a GM, tries to force unnecessary and premature outcomes (i.e Sweat) before the team is actually ready to take advantage of forcing an immediate outcome. I just hope he learns on the job because he is the exact opposite of what he claimed he was gonna do, which is build through the draft and not rush the roster forward in inefficient ways. So, I kind of brace myself for this guy to pull a Ricky Williams deal for Micah Parsons.

in 1999 washington went 10-6 and almost made the NFC title game. in the offseason snyder payed up big for bruce smith, deion and andre reed. they didn't have another winning season until 2005

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Speaking of Jackson, there’s not much recent functional availability difference between he and Tevin Jenkins. They must know something we don’t know as to why putting Jackson at RG is worth so much more financial and draft asset sacrifice than putting Jenkins at RG.

if we're being charitable, they didn't know jenkins would end up signing for scratch when trading for jackson. the reality is that there was much public pressure for change and BJ wanted jackson, whose only good season was under him

I love the way Poles is always talking like he is the measured guy. ‘We can’t be forcing outcomes until they are available and smart to do’. Meanwhile Claypool and Sweat, and he miraculously found the time was right to suddenly replace 80% of his offensive line in one fell swoop. (Somehow this was unable to be accomplished for Fields).


I can see Poles reacting to public pressure and impatience, because as you note, he is very impatient as a GM, tries to force unnecessary and premature outcomes (i.e Sweat) before the team is actually ready to take advantage of forcing an immediate outcome. I just hope he learns on the job because he is the exact opposite of what he claimed he was gonna do, which is build through the draft and not rush the roster forward in inefficient ways. So, I kind of brace myself for this guy to pull a Ricky Williams deal for Micah Parsons.

I don't see Poles as being impatient. Or going against what he said he was going to do. "Available and smart to do"= maybe when he traded for Claypool and Sweat he felt they met that criteria. Claypool didn't work out, so far Sweat has had one great season, one mediocre season. We'll see how this season goes for him.

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There are a number of off platform on the move throwers in the NFL already. It’s becoming something of a developing positional requirement almost. Kids are going to grow up practicing it rather than the traditional footwork of stopping, plant your feet and throw. Just fling it on the move.

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if we're being charitable, they didn't know jenkins would end up signing for scratch when trading for jackson. the reality is that there was much public pressure for change and BJ wanted jackson, whose only good season was under him

I love the way Poles is always talking like he is the measured guy. ‘We can’t be forcing outcomes until they are available and smart to do’. Meanwhile Claypool and Sweat, and he miraculously found the time was right to suddenly replace 80% of his offensive line in one fell swoop. (Somehow this was unable to be accomplished for Fields).


I can see Poles reacting to public pressure and impatience, because as you note, he is very impatient as a GM, tries to force unnecessary and premature outcomes (i.e Sweat) before the team is actually ready to take advantage of forcing an immediate outcome. I just hope he learns on the job because he is the exact opposite of what he claimed he was gonna do, which is build through the draft and not rush the roster forward in inefficient ways. So, I kind of brace myself for this guy to pull a Ricky Williams deal for Micah Parsons.

in 1999 washington went 10-6 and almost made the NFC title game. in the offseason snyder payed up big for bruce smith, deion and andre reed. they didn't have another winning season until 2005

Hard to prove causation rather than correlation in a sample size of one. LA Rams spent a bunch of money and draft capital and won a Super Bowl.

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#4 and #62 in Bears form

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Ozzy seems to be the Bears LT. Although Booker gets past him on one clip. I read a tweet that Booker got him more than once.

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Was at practice today, was also at the Seahawks game last year. About even.