Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[statsman]

I wonder what will come first: a resolution to the Kuminga free agency, or this thread reaching 100 pages (2,000 posts).

Well, at least we have the answer to post #907 on Wednesday, Jul 9, 2025.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=119305430#p119305430

Anyone want to make it 3,000 posts?!

[azwfan]

I like the Monk and a 1st deal if that is real. I hope Mdj can squeeze another 2nd out of Sac (either of the CHA 2nds or Sac 2nds). That gives the board someone to blame besides Draymond when the team comes up short again AND some semblance of a future draft pick package - when the team needs it.

[Old_Blue]

JK and his team will fold as we approach 10/1. Don’t see Warriors extending the QO past 10/1 if JK doesn’t sign the extension offer or take the QO.

Just need to wait a few more months to play this out. We’ll have horford, GP2 and melton in camp once the QO expires

Kuminga and his agent are just being dicks. Once camp opens, Horford, GP2 and Melton will be celebrated for their patience. Meanwhile, Kuminga will get the silent treatment.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I like the Monk and a 1st deal if that is real. I hope Mdj can squeeze another 2nd out of Sac (either of the CHA 2nds or Sac 2nds). That gives the board someone to blame besides Draymond when the team comes up short again AND some semblance of a future draft pick package - when the team needs it.

That deal ignores the pick we would need to get off of monk later, and another possible pick for a team to eat the salaries of Moody or heild just to make the trade happen. Unless you also throw in moody (they won't want heild due to history), now the deal becomes monk +heavily protected first for kuminga and moody. Not good.

[azwfan]

I like the Monk and a 1st deal if that is real. I hope Mdj can squeeze another 2nd out of Sac (either of the CHA 2nds or Sac 2nds). That gives the board someone to blame besides Draymond when the team comes up short again AND some semblance of a future draft pick package - when the team needs it.

That deal ignores the pick we would need to get off of monk later, and another possible pick for a team to eat the salaries of Moody or heild just to make the trade happen. Unless you also throw in moody (they won't want heild due to history), now the deal becomes monk +heavily protected first for kuminga and moody. Not good.

Uh, dont get off of Monk later then. Pick saved.

[HiRez]

Sacramento is offering their 2030 first round pick with a lottery protection. If the pick doesn't convert, the Warriors would get the least favorable of the kings or San Antonio Spurs' first round pick in 2031.

That gives them 2 different things to negotiate on, not to mention pick swaps or second-rounders, or changing the year of the pick. It really seems like they ought to be able to find something that works.

[AirP.]

I like the Monk and a 1st deal if that is real. I hope Mdj can squeeze another 2nd out of Sac (either of the CHA 2nds or Sac 2nds). That gives the board someone to blame besides Draymond when the team comes up short again AND some semblance of a future draft pick package - when the team needs it.

That deal ignores the pick we would need to get off of monk later, and another possible pick for a team to eat the salaries of Moody or heild just to make the trade happen. Unless you also throw in moody (they won't want heild due to history), now the deal becomes monk +heavily protected first for kuminga and moody. Not good.

Uh, dont get off of Monk later then. Pick saved.

Sure, but what if he's not a good fit in GS much like Schroder was. You're stuck with a contract that Sacramento was having a hard time moving and a late 1st round pick while also missing one person from last year's team like Hield.

The best move for GS is to ride this out, expect Kuminga not willing to lose 12-14 million next year by taking the 1+1 over the QO and see what they need 1/3 to 1/2 of the season and send out his contract (possibly other contracts) and assets for a player they want/need. If Kuminga takes the QO, he's shorting himself a good amount of money and probably getting the same treatment as before in GS where he won't play much. If he signs the 1+1 and they do promise to try to integrate him into the rotation, possibly start he'll get to showcase his skills some and a team who wants him (or his expiring contract) can trade for him closer on 1:1 on salaries and turn down next year's team option to give him a long-term contract.

Also, there's always that small chance that Kuminga works out in the 1/2 season experiment where he stays in GS because he does finally fit. I've seen a Butler and Bam offense make it to the finals twice, 2 non shooters can work which might mean only using 2 of Butler, Draymond or Kuminga on the court at a time and it may be Draymond coming off the bench so he can finish games at center.

[EvanZ]

GIMME KEON

[statsman]

GIMME KEON

I'm gathering that Lacob doesn't want to go in that direction. Hell, I have no idea which direction he wants to go now. But at least he can get excited about his Valkyries!

[whatisacenter]

GIMME KEON

I'm gathering that Lacob doesn't want to go in that direction. Hell, I have no idea which direction he wants to go now. But at least he can get excited about his Valkyries!

I mean, Keegan and Keon are not even on the table so how can it be about Lacob?

[DonaldSanders]

If Keon was available the deal would be done.

[vvoland]

Interesting podcast from Nate Duncan and Danny leroux on Western conference off-season grades. Did a long take on the jk negotiations and the tldr of it all is they agree with me and the 3 other people here that jk will come back if given a decent offer.

Nate, in particular, described the gsw offer as "the least player friendly deal that's not the qo" and "almost appalling." Thought gsw is needlessly playing hardball with almost no upside. A 2/45 with a TO and an NTC is "insulting," according to Nate/Danny.

Also discussed how the QO would be a disaster for gsw and jk while, seemingly, being unaware of the counter of 3/82 from JK's side. From the context of that podcast, I think they would find that more reasonable than this board does, including me. The middle ground of ~3/70 with an option (mutual) in year 3 seems like such a no brainer that it makes me question why this wasn't done a month ago. If JK ends up accepting something in that range, I think we can safely assume it was the team that dragged it out

Obviously, did the rest of the West off-season grades. Worth a listen..

[ChuckDurn]

Interesting podcast from Nate Duncan and Danny leroux on Western conference off-season grades. Did a long take on the jk negotiations and the tldr of it all is they agree with me and the 3 other people here that jk will come back if given a decent offer.

Nate, in particular, described the gsw offer as "the least player friendly deal that's not the qo" and "almost appalling." Thought gsw is needlessly playing hardball with almost no upside. A 2/45 with a TO and an NTC is "insulting," according to Nate/Danny.

Also discussed how the QO would be a disaster for gsw and jk while, seemingly, being unaware of the counter of 3/82 from JK's side. From the context of that podcast, I think they would find that more reasonable than this board does, including me. The middle ground of ~3/70 with an option (mutual) in year 3 seems like such a no brainer that it makes me question why this wasn't done a month ago. If JK ends up accepting something in that range, I think we can safely assume it was the team that dragged it out

Obviously, did the rest of the West off-season grades. Worth a listen..

I haven’t listened to it yet, but if they didn’t give the Warriors an “Incomplete” (as they periodically do), what grade did they give them?

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Sacramento is offering their 2030 first round pick with a lottery protection. If the pick doesn't convert, the Warriors would get the least favorable of the kings or San Antonio Spurs' first round pick in 2031.

That gives them 2 different things to negotiate on, not to mention pick swaps or second-rounders, or changing the year of the pick. It really seems like they ought to be able to find something that works.

I was thinking the same. If we negotiated them into the *better* of the two picks in 2031, I'd immediately feel better.

[watch1958]

Interesting podcast from Nate Duncan and Danny leroux on Western conference off-season grades. Did a long take on the jk negotiations and the tldr of it all is they agree with me and the 3 other people here that jk will come back if given a decent offer.

Nate, in particular, described the gsw offer as "the least player friendly deal that's not the qo" and "almost appalling." Thought gsw is needlessly playing hardball with almost no upside. A 2/45 with a TO and an NTC is "insulting," according to Nate/Danny.

Also discussed how the QO would be a disaster for gsw and jk while, seemingly, being unaware of the counter of 3/82 from JK's side. From the context of that podcast, I think they would find that more reasonable than this board does, including me. The middle ground of ~3/70 with an option (mutual) in year 3 seems like such a no brainer that it makes me question why this wasn't done a month ago. If JK ends up accepting something in that range, I think we can safely assume it was the team that dragged it out

Obviously, did the rest of the West off-season grades. Worth a listen..

From a cap point of view, if there was a 3/70 deal, how would it impact them signing guys like Horford, Melton, etc? At all?

[statsman]

From a cap point of view, if there was a 3/70 deal, how would it impact them signing guys like Horford, Melton, etc? At all?

3/70 signing would start at $21.605M, with 8% raises.

Enough room under the 2nd apron to sign Horford to the entire TPMLE and three vet minimums (no 2nd round rookie minimum needed) to get to 14 players on the main roster.

A bit over $3.1M under the 2nd apron, so enough room to sign a 15th player at any time. I suspect the Warriors would wait for later on the 15th players to allow for a possible replacement player for any vet minimum player lost to serious injury. Also enough room to waive TKD and/or Santos for additional vet minimums.

[vvoland]

Interesting podcast from Nate Duncan and Danny leroux on Western conference off-season grades. Did a long take on the jk negotiations and the tldr of it all is they agree with me and the 3 other people here that jk will come back if given a decent offer.

Nate, in particular, described the gsw offer as "the least player friendly deal that's not the qo" and "almost appalling." Thought gsw is needlessly playing hardball with almost no upside. A 2/45 with a TO and an NTC is "insulting," according to Nate/Danny.

Also discussed how the QO would be a disaster for gsw and jk while, seemingly, being unaware of the counter of 3/82 from JK's side. From the context of that podcast, I think they would find that more reasonable than this board does, including me. The middle ground of ~3/70 with an option (mutual) in year 3 seems like such a no brainer that it makes me question why this wasn't done a month ago. If JK ends up accepting something in that range, I think we can safely assume it was the team that dragged it out

Obviously, did the rest of the West off-season grades. Worth a listen..

I haven’t listened to it yet, but if they didn’t give the Warriors an “Incomplete” (as they periodically do), what grade did they give them?

Incomplete with a B+ plus if jk is back on a compromise deal (not the qo) horford, Melton, and gp2 sign.

[vvoland]

From a cap point of view, if there was a 3/70 deal, how would it impact them signing guys like Horford, Melton, etc? At all?

3/70 signing would start at $21.605M, with 8% raises.

Enough room under the 2nd apron to sign Horford to the entire TPMLE and three vet minimums (no 2nd round rookie minimum needed) to get to 14 players on the main roster.

A bit over $3.1M under the 2nd apron, so enough room to sign a 15th player at any time. I suspect the Warriors would wait for later on the 15th players to allow for a possible replacement player for any vet minimum player lost to serious injury. Also enough room to waive TKD and/or Santos for additional vet minimums.

How high could it go while keeping all of that flexibility? 3/75 would still allow for all that, right?

[statsman]

From a cap point of view, if there was a 3/70 deal, how would it impact them signing guys like Horford, Melton, etc? At all?

3/70 signing would start at $21.605M, with 8% raises.

Enough room under the 2nd apron to sign Horford to the entire TPMLE and three vet minimums (no 2nd round rookie minimum needed) to get to 14 players on the main roster.

A bit over $3.1M under the 2nd apron, so enough room to sign a 15th player at any time. I suspect the Warriors would wait for later on the 15th players to allow for a possible replacement player for any vet minimum player lost to serious injury. Also enough room to waive TKD and/or Santos for additional vet minimums.

How high could it go while keeping all of that flexibility? 3/75 would still allow for all that, right?

3/75 would lose the ability to add a 15th player as soon as they needed it. Same goes for a replacement player for one of the vet minimums. Some flexibility can be gained back by signing one of the 2nd round picks to a rookie minimum contract, but then they would be down to two vet minimums.

[Crazy-Canuck]

If both sides aren't amenable and we are forced to take monk, maybe look to see if another team would take monk+heild or moody for a wing. Try to wrap it up as a 3 teamer since heild or moody need to go out anyways.

Both sides lose if jk takes the qo.