ImageImageImage

The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5

Moderators: bwgood77, Qwigglez, lilfishi22

Phoenix Suns 2025-2026 projected win total

Over 31.5
20
67%
Under 31.5
10
33%
 
Total votes: 30

Sunsdeuce
Head Coach
Posts: 6,497
And1: 3,055
Joined: Jan 22, 2012
       

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#21 » by Sunsdeuce » Sat Aug 2, 2025 6:11 pm

“Knicks Predicted to Send Karl-Anthony Towns to Suns for $171 Million Trio in 3-Team Blockbuster Trade”

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/208868/

(It’s a total hypothetical article but it is definitely an Ishbia type deal)

In the trade, the Knicks would send Towns and Pacome Dadiet to the Phoenix Suns for a massive package that involves Dillon Brooks, Grayson Allen, Nick Richards, a 2032 first-round pick and three second-round picks.
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.

Only a fan of Arizona teams!
Cardinals
Dbacks
Suns
dremill24
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,910
And1: 3,196
Joined: Jan 11, 2016
Contact:

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#22 » by dremill24 » Sat Aug 2, 2025 7:35 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Kuminga is a restricted free agent, correct?

Why not call GS bluff. I mean if Ishbia wants the (overrated) dude, put the 90 million guaranteed offer on the table. Force GS to match! If they match it, GS is flocked, that will hit their books hard.

It’s a win win even if Suns don’t get him. Forces GS to overpay!


Suns dont have any cap space to make this offer. Thats why sign-and-trade is what is being talked about.
Trying out this Substack thing. Suns and NBA thoughts. Check it out: https://hoopsnexus.substack.com/
Sunsdeuce
Head Coach
Posts: 6,497
And1: 3,055
Joined: Jan 22, 2012
       

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#23 » by Sunsdeuce » Sat Aug 2, 2025 8:26 pm

dremill24 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Kuminga is a restricted free agent, correct?

Why not call GS bluff. I mean if Ishbia wants the (overrated) dude, put the 90 million guaranteed offer on the table. Force GS to match! If they match it, GS is flocked, that will hit their books hard.

It’s a win win even if Suns don’t get him. Forces GS to overpay!


Suns dont have any cap space to make this offer. Thats why sign-and-trade is what is being talked about.

That makes sense
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.

Only a fan of Arizona teams!
Cardinals
Dbacks
Suns
User avatar
King4Day
RealGM
Posts: 13,599
And1: 9,807
Joined: Dec 11, 2010
Location: Pandora
         

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#24 » by King4Day » Sat Aug 2, 2025 9:36 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:“Knicks Predicted to Send Karl-Anthony Towns to Suns for $171 Million Trio in 3-Team Blockbuster Trade”

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/208868/

(It’s a total hypothetical article but it is definitely an Ishbia type deal)

In the trade, the Knicks would send Towns and Pacome Dadiet to the Phoenix Suns for a massive package that involves Dillon Brooks, Grayson Allen, Nick Richards, a 2032 first-round pick and three second-round picks.


I think our 2032 is currently frozen.
And, F that. Towns isn't a winner.
"Sometimes, the dragon wins" #RallyTheValley
User avatar
MrMiyagi
Suns Forum Eternal Optimist
Posts: 8,096
And1: 7,639
Joined: Jan 10, 2010
   

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#25 » by MrMiyagi » Sat Aug 2, 2025 9:52 pm

King4Day wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:“Knicks Predicted to Send Karl-Anthony Towns to Suns for $171 Million Trio in 3-Team Blockbuster Trade”

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/208868/

(It’s a total hypothetical article but it is definitely an Ishbia type deal)

In the trade, the Knicks would send Towns and Pacome Dadiet to the Phoenix Suns for a massive package that involves Dillon Brooks, Grayson Allen, Nick Richards, a 2032 first-round pick and three second-round picks.


I think our 2032 is currently frozen.
And, F that. Towns isn't a winner.
Some would say he's perfect for Ishbia's culture.
SHAZAM!

Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
User avatar
bullsaficianado
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,496
And1: 804
Joined: Jun 17, 2007
Location: Illinois, USA
 

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#26 » by bullsaficianado » Sun Aug 3, 2025 1:33 pm

King4Day wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:“Knicks Predicted to Send Karl-Anthony Towns to Suns for $171 Million Trio in 3-Team Blockbuster Trade”

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/208868/

(It’s a total hypothetical article but it is definitely an Ishbia type deal)

In the trade, the Knicks would send Towns and Pacome Dadiet to the Phoenix Suns for a massive package that involves Dillon Brooks, Grayson Allen, Nick Richards, a 2032 first-round pick and three second-round picks.


I think our 2032 is currently frozen.
And, F that. Towns isn't a winner.


In all fairness to Towns both teams he has been on the last two seasons have made the conference Finals.
Fo-Real
General Manager
Posts: 9,769
And1: 5,478
Joined: Mar 21, 2009
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#27 » by Fo-Real » Sun Aug 3, 2025 2:20 pm

bullsaficianado wrote:
King4Day wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:“Knicks Predicted to Send Karl-Anthony Towns to Suns for $171 Million Trio in 3-Team Blockbuster Trade”

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/208868/

(It’s a total hypothetical article but it is definitely an Ishbia type deal)



I think our 2032 is currently frozen.
And, F that. Towns isn't a winner.


In all fairness to Towns both teams he has been on the last two seasons have made the conference Finals.


Which is why any rumors of this are a ridiculous lie! If Towns wasn't on the table to get traded to us when KD is for sale, there should be no one left on our roster valuable enough to get him other than Booker.
ChuckS
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,549
And1: 323
Joined: Aug 27, 2005

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#28 » by ChuckS » Sun Aug 3, 2025 5:44 pm

bullsaficianado wrote:
King4Day wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:“Knicks Predicted to Send Karl-Anthony Towns to Suns for $171 Million Trio in 3-Team Blockbuster Trade”

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/208868/

(It’s a total hypothetical article but it is definitely an Ishbia type deal)



I think our 2032 is currently frozen.
And, F that. Towns isn't a winner.


In all fairness to Towns both teams he has been on the last two seasons have made the conference Finals.


I'd take the "loser", if we could afford him. 24-25 Stats from BBRef, 82 games.com. Defensive Ratings from NBA.com and Statmuse.

Karl-A Towns: 24.4 PPG @ 53/42/83% +6.3 vs opponent +8.6 on/off court 13 Boards Def Rtg NBA.com 112.7 - Statmuse 110.3 (AS/NBA3)

Mikal Bridges: 17.6 PPG @ 50/35/81% +2.1 vs opponent +5.2 on/off court 03 Boards Def Rtg NBA.com 112.9 -Statmuse 118.0

* Ryan Dunn: 06.9 PPG @ 43/31/49% -8.0 vs opponent -4.2 on/off court 3.6 Boards Def Rtg NBA.com 115.1-Statmuse 119.0

*Not intended to be unfair to Dunn - Just listed because he is being considered as potential starter. Stats affected by rookie status, limited minutes, and in the case of on/off, the "suckiness" of our team compared to the Knicks last year. Mikal just listed for comparison since we know and love him and he is on KAT's team.
KdoubleDees23
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,927
And1: 1,284
Joined: Feb 09, 2023

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#29 » by KdoubleDees23 » Sun Aug 3, 2025 9:39 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:“Knicks Predicted to Send Karl-Anthony Towns to Suns for $171 Million Trio in 3-Team Blockbuster Trade”

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/208868/

(It’s a total hypothetical article but it is definitely an Ishbia type deal)

In the trade, the Knicks would send Towns and Pacome Dadiet to the Phoenix Suns for a massive package that involves Dillon Brooks, Grayson Allen, Nick Richards, a 2032 first-round pick and three second-round picks.


Then do Kuminga for O'Neale, OSO, and 2nd

Green
Booker
Kuminga
Dunn
Towns
Sunsdeuce
Head Coach
Posts: 6,497
And1: 3,055
Joined: Jan 22, 2012
       

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#30 » by Sunsdeuce » Sun Aug 3, 2025 10:16 pm

Sam Amick: “Steve Kerr is is somebody who uh has obviously at times been frustrated by the the limitations in Jonathan Kuminga’s game and and uh and it's it's pretty evident that the Warriors are willing to move on. The thing that they are trying to salvage here is that they really need that salary slot. You know, there's only so many ways for them to meaningfully add to this roster and try to continue the Steph-Draymond, now Jimmy Butler era and if Jonathan takes the qualifying offer then you're pretty limited when the February trade deadline comes around as far as like picking up real impact players. So, I mean, they're trying to thread the needle here and that's where it goes back to the staring contest.”

GS trying to have there cake and eat it too! They want to move on from Kuminga but they trying to be greedy at the same time.

Personally I want GS to overpay for him, not Phx!
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.

Only a fan of Arizona teams!
Cardinals
Dbacks
Suns
User avatar
lilfishi22
Forum Mod - Suns
Forum Mod - Suns
Posts: 36,149
And1: 24,487
Joined: Oct 16, 2007
Location: Australia

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#31 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Aug 3, 2025 11:55 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Sam Amick: “Steve Kerr is is somebody who uh has obviously at times been frustrated by the the limitations in Jonathan Kuminga’s game and and uh and it's it's pretty evident that the Warriors are willing to move on. The thing that they are trying to salvage here is that they really need that salary slot. You know, there's only so many ways for them to meaningfully add to this roster and try to continue the Steph-Draymond, now Jimmy Butler era and if Jonathan takes the qualifying offer then you're pretty limited when the February trade deadline comes around as far as like picking up real impact players. So, I mean, they're trying to thread the needle here and that's where it goes back to the staring contest.”

GS trying to have there cake and eat it too! They want to move on from Kuminga but they trying to be greedy at the same time.

Personally I want GS to overpay for him, not Phx!

Warriors will do what they do. The best thing we can do is stay the hell out of it. We're not going to outsmart Kerr and the Warriors front office. You play the game with them, next thing you know, we've given up all our remaining tradeable picks, Dunn and we'll end up paying Kuminga like $150m
User avatar
Puff
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,905
And1: 1,719
Joined: Jul 07, 2004
Location: Buckeye, Az
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#32 » by Puff » Mon Aug 4, 2025 12:49 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Sam Amick: “Steve Kerr is is somebody who uh has obviously at times been frustrated by the the limitations in Jonathan Kuminga’s game and and uh and it's it's pretty evident that the Warriors are willing to move on. The thing that they are trying to salvage here is that they really need that salary slot. You know, there's only so many ways for them to meaningfully add to this roster and try to continue the Steph-Draymond, now Jimmy Butler era and if Jonathan takes the qualifying offer then you're pretty limited when the February trade deadline comes around as far as like picking up real impact players. So, I mean, they're trying to thread the needle here and that's where it goes back to the staring contest.”

GS trying to have there cake and eat it too! They want to move on from Kuminga but they trying to be greedy at the same time.

Personally I want GS to overpay for him, not Phx!

Warriors will do what they do. The best thing we can do is stay the hell out of it. We're not going to outsmart Kerr and the Warriors front office. You play the game with them, next thing you know, we've given up all our remaining tradeable picks, Dunn and we'll end up paying Kuminga like $150m


I would rather watch Dunn, Davis, Oso and Fleming battle it out for minutes at the four rather than overpay for Kuminga.
"You Can't Always Get What You Want"
User avatar
lilfishi22
Forum Mod - Suns
Forum Mod - Suns
Posts: 36,149
And1: 24,487
Joined: Oct 16, 2007
Location: Australia

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#33 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 12:52 am

Puff wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Sam Amick: “Steve Kerr is is somebody who uh has obviously at times been frustrated by the the limitations in Jonathan Kuminga’s game and and uh and it's it's pretty evident that the Warriors are willing to move on. The thing that they are trying to salvage here is that they really need that salary slot. You know, there's only so many ways for them to meaningfully add to this roster and try to continue the Steph-Draymond, now Jimmy Butler era and if Jonathan takes the qualifying offer then you're pretty limited when the February trade deadline comes around as far as like picking up real impact players. So, I mean, they're trying to thread the needle here and that's where it goes back to the staring contest.”

GS trying to have there cake and eat it too! They want to move on from Kuminga but they trying to be greedy at the same time.

Personally I want GS to overpay for him, not Phx!

Warriors will do what they do. The best thing we can do is stay the hell out of it. We're not going to outsmart Kerr and the Warriors front office. You play the game with them, next thing you know, we've given up all our remaining tradeable picks, Dunn and we'll end up paying Kuminga like $150m


I would rather watch Dunn, Davis, Oso and Fleming battle it out for minutes at the four rather than overpay for Kuminga.

100%
Fo-Real
General Manager
Posts: 9,769
And1: 5,478
Joined: Mar 21, 2009
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#34 » by Fo-Real » Mon Aug 4, 2025 2:22 am

Puff wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Sam Amick: “Steve Kerr is is somebody who uh has obviously at times been frustrated by the the limitations in Jonathan Kuminga’s game and and uh and it's it's pretty evident that the Warriors are willing to move on. The thing that they are trying to salvage here is that they really need that salary slot. You know, there's only so many ways for them to meaningfully add to this roster and try to continue the Steph-Draymond, now Jimmy Butler era and if Jonathan takes the qualifying offer then you're pretty limited when the February trade deadline comes around as far as like picking up real impact players. So, I mean, they're trying to thread the needle here and that's where it goes back to the staring contest.”

GS trying to have there cake and eat it too! They want to move on from Kuminga but they trying to be greedy at the same time.

Personally I want GS to overpay for him, not Phx!

Warriors will do what they do. The best thing we can do is stay the hell out of it. We're not going to outsmart Kerr and the Warriors front office. You play the game with them, next thing you know, we've given up all our remaining tradeable picks, Dunn and we'll end up paying Kuminga like $150m


I would rather watch Dunn, Davis, Oso and Fleming battle it out for minutes at the four rather than overpay for Kuminga.


Yesssir
flagstaff
Sophomore
Posts: 119
And1: 51
Joined: Aug 03, 2022
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#35 » by flagstaff » Mon Aug 4, 2025 3:05 am

Fo-Real wrote:
Puff wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Warriors will do what they do. The best thing we can do is stay the hell out of it. We're not going to outsmart Kerr and the Warriors front office. You play the game with them, next thing you know, we've given up all our remaining tradeable picks, Dunn and we'll end up paying Kuminga like $150m


I would rather watch Dunn, Davis, Oso and Fleming battle it out for minutes at the four rather than overpay for Kuminga.


Yesssir

Kuminga would be the best player in any trade we make with Golden State. Royce and whoever, for salary. I don't think it would be to much to add a couple of seconds. Maybe we trade Oso eventually. Or maybe he proves himself too valuable. There will be second rounders we can get in further trades.
User avatar
Mr Puddles
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,313
And1: 13,825
Joined: Jan 17, 2015
Location: Under your bed
 

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#36 » by Mr Puddles » Mon Aug 4, 2025 3:41 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:“Knicks Predicted to Send Karl-Anthony Towns to Suns for $171 Million Trio in 3-Team Blockbuster Trade”

https://www.rawchili.com/nba/208868/

(It’s a total hypothetical article but it is definitely an Ishbia type deal)

In the trade, the Knicks would send Towns and Pacome Dadiet to the Phoenix Suns for a massive package that involves Dillon Brooks, Grayson Allen, Nick Richards, a 2032 first-round pick and three second-round picks.


With the Pacers and Celtics out, this is the best chance the Knicks have had to reach the finals in decades. They're not going to trade their second best player unless it's in return for a win-now player.
User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,278
And1: 9,020
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#37 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 4, 2025 2:13 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Read on Twitter

Matt Ishbia??

What does this mean? What should we do with this info?


He'll probably elect himself to a starting point guard position soon, so he can lead the team more closely......lol.

But seriously though, If there's anything underlying to he taken from this, I think it just somewhat illustrates that he's a passionate basketball fanatic, who because he's played himself,


and he probably attributes that personal experience to his current mentality of running the team and all decisions in a "I know better than others" perspective???
Image
KdoubleDees23
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,927
And1: 1,284
Joined: Feb 09, 2023

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#38 » by KdoubleDees23 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 2:23 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Read on Twitter

Matt Ishbia??

What does this mean? What should we do with this info?


He'll probably elect himself to a starting point guard position soon, so he can lead the team more closely......lol.

But seriously though, If there's anything underlying to he taken from this, I think it just somewhat illustrates that he's a passionate basketball fanatic, who because he's played himself,


and he probably attributes that personal experience to his current mentality of running the team and all decisions in a "I know better than others" perspective???


He may actually be the best PG on our roster lol
User avatar
lilfishi22
Forum Mod - Suns
Forum Mod - Suns
Posts: 36,149
And1: 24,487
Joined: Oct 16, 2007
Location: Australia

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#39 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 11:14 pm

flagstaff wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
Puff wrote:
I would rather watch Dunn, Davis, Oso and Fleming battle it out for minutes at the four rather than overpay for Kuminga.


Yesssir

Kuminga would be the best player in any trade we make with Golden State. Royce and whoever, for salary. I don't think it would be to much to add a couple of seconds. Maybe we trade Oso eventually. Or maybe he proves himself too valuable. There will be second rounders we can get in further trades.

Not trying to be a homer because I know Kuminga is better than Dunn but if Kuminga's development stagnates anymore than he already has and Dunn takes a leap in his, the gap between the two may be smaller than their name value would suggest.
User avatar
Puff
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,905
And1: 1,719
Joined: Jul 07, 2004
Location: Buckeye, Az
     

Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #5 

Post#40 » by Puff » Tue Aug 5, 2025 12:45 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
flagstaff wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
Yesssir

Kuminga would be the best player in any trade we make with Golden State. Royce and whoever, for salary. I don't think it would be to much to add a couple of seconds. Maybe we trade Oso eventually. Or maybe he proves himself too valuable. There will be second rounders we can get in further trades.

Not trying to be a homer because I know Kuminga is better than Dunn but if Kuminga's development stagnates anymore than he already has and Dunn takes a leap in his, the gap between the two may be smaller than their name value would suggest.


Davis and or Fleming could be better than Kuminga or Dunn. I can't wait to see what we actually have in the group we have added and drafted last year.
"You Can't Always Get What You Want"

Return to Phoenix Suns