2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6

[Vertical Limit]

One of Castle or Harper should be on the trade block in a season.

Bam for Harper + picks? Would love to see Bam + Wemby frontcourt

Might actually become a Spurs fan if that happens!

If we go full blown rebuild like i expect after this upcoming season, and if the spurs have enough picks… then yea that would be a good trade partner.. doubt the spurs would let go of castle but ill take harper and all the picks we can get for Bam…

[MettaWorldPanda]

One of Castle or Harper should be on the trade block in a season.

Bam for Harper + picks? Would love to see Bam + Wemby frontcourt

Might actually become a Spurs fan if that happens!

If we go full blown rebuild like i expect after this upcoming season, and if the spurs have enough picks… then yea that would be a good trade partner.. doubt the spurs would let go of castle but ill take harper and all the picks we can get for Bam…

How can you expect a blowup when this FO has never believed in such an approach. We also owe the Hornets a pick in 2027 that we want to pay out so it doesn’t forward to 2028. It’s OKC pick 2.0 so fully expect us to continue to add pieces and compete for the playoffs while we continue to add through the draft.

[Hoops3355]

having a 2 guard that plays above the rim is so underrated. How we undervalue elite athleticism now after experiencing Wade is a shame. Nothing about Wade screamed role player yet we only covet role player vibes now. So wierd.

We also haven't sniffed a top 5 pick in almost 20 years so that says more about it than anything FO is doing.

[Vertical Limit]

One of Castle or Harper should be on the trade block in a season.

Bam for Harper + picks? Would love to see Bam + Wemby frontcourt

Might actually become a Spurs fan if that happens!

If we go full blown rebuild like i expect after this upcoming season, and if the spurs have enough picks… then yea that would be a good trade partner.. doubt the spurs would let go of castle but ill take harper and all the picks we can get for Bam…

How can you expect a blowup when this FO has never believed in such an approach. We also owe the Hornets a pick in 2027 that we want to pay out so it doesn’t forward to 2028. It’s OKC pick 2.0 so fully expect us to continue to add pieces and compete for the playoffs while we continue to add through the draft.

With potentially 90 million in expirings (after wiggins trade), and a season that does not look promising, yes, i expect the Heat to go full rebuild.

We have one championship level player that can start for a contender, his name is Bam. But even he has a price. And Harper plus a couple of unprotected firsts is a nice deal for Bam and sets us up for a good rebuild and overhaul.

[Enso]

Kaseya Centre better get the Gyro stand ready cause It's Giannis or bust

[contract]

Read on Twitter

He should just sign the 2 year, 40 million player option on the second year deal.

Warriors are not going to trade him to the Kings without an unprotected pick. Kuminga needs to get the money that he can get now.. and then be a free agent next year

Does the Warriors offer include a player option or a team option in year 2?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Giannis/Herro/Ware trio is going to feed the families of South Florida for the next 7 years AT MINIMUM!!

[MartyConlonJr]

Does the Warriors offer include a player option or a team option in year 2?

I'm pretty sure from all reports that the offer had a team option. It was very one sided, I think it may have been only partially guaranteed or something maybe. Either way, Kuminga taking all the risks if Brooklyn can't save him.

[dshearn]

If Giannis asks out…..

I’d put Ware, Herro, Terry (for contract match purposes) and ALL OF OUR PICKS 1sts and 2nds.

Bam Jovic
Giannis Highsmith
Wiggins JJJ
Powell Parson
Mitchell Kasparas

That’s a defensive JUGGERNAUT….

If Bam can continue to shoot the 3 efficiently

Gianni’s is a walking 30 and 10

Powell provides elite shooting and shot making.

Wiggins is not a star but an elite 3 and D player

Mitchell is a dawg.

I think our offer is a pretty damn good one….

The Giannis stuff is just fantasy, but if I had to give 1 and keep 1, I would actually prefer Herro's skillset offensively in tandem with Giannis as the POA guy, especially if you keep Ware. Herro as the centerpiece means you very likely have to include Ware too.

I get that....but he has a real point....defense would be stellar, and there would be more need for catch and shoot guys outside.

It is just fantasy , but if they could keep Ware-Bam-Jovic and add a GA type guy.....good grief..finally enough top size talent to maybe force Niko to the 3 some and Bam gets to chase around small dudes at will and team gives up very little leaving Ware-GA alone on other bigs

[3ammy3uck3ts]

One of Castle or Harper should be on the trade block in a season.

Bam for Harper + picks? Would love to see Bam + Wemby frontcourt

Might actually become a Spurs fan if that happens!

If we go full blown rebuild like i expect after this upcoming season, and if the spurs have enough picks… then yea that would be a good trade partner.. doubt the spurs would let go of castle but ill take harper and all the picks we can get for Bam…

How can you expect a blowup when this FO has never believed in such an approach. We also owe the Hornets a pick in 2027 that we want to pay out so it doesn’t forward to 2028. It’s OKC pick 2.0 so fully expect us to continue to add pieces and compete for the playoffs while we continue to add through the draft.

When you have the chance to trade the one constant driving factor in the regular season and playoffs on your roster you take it!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Giannis asks out…..

I’d put Ware, Herro, Terry (for contract match purposes) and ALL OF OUR PICKS 1sts and 2nds.

Bam Jovic
Giannis Highsmith
Wiggins JJJ
Powell Parson
Mitchell Kasparas

That’s a defensive JUGGERNAUT….

If Bam can continue to shoot the 3 efficiently

Gianni’s is a walking 30 and 10

Powell provides elite shooting and shot making.

Wiggins is not a star but an elite 3 and D player

Mitchell is a dawg.

I think our offer is a pretty damn good one….

The Giannis stuff is just fantasy, but if I had to give 1 and keep 1, I would actually prefer Herro's skillset offensively in tandem with Giannis as the POA guy, especially if you keep Ware. Herro as the centerpiece means you very likely have to include Ware too.

I get that....but he has a real point....defense would be stellar, and there would be more need for catch and shoot guys outside.

It is just fantasy , but if they could keep Ware-Bam-Jovic and add a GA type guy.....good grief..finally enough top size talent to maybe force Niko to the 3 some and Bam gets to chase around small dudes at will and team gives up very little leaving Ware-GA alone on other bigs

If your goal is a championship and you can put together a starting lineup of Davion-Powell-Wiggins-Giannis-Bam you do it. There is no better possible combination you can build unless the bucks don’t want the Hometown Herro for some reason then you tinker around with Wiggins/Powell and see what you can come up with although very unlikely they’d prefer that to Tyler. Duncan/Strus with that group would’ve been nice for sure.

[Kobewade11]

I get that....but he has a real point....defense would be stellar, and there would be more need for catch and shoot guys outside.

It is just fantasy , but if they could keep Ware-Bam-Jovic and add a GA type guy.....good grief..finally enough top size talent to maybe force Niko to the 3 some and Bam gets to chase around small dudes at will and team gives up very little leaving Ware-GA alone on other bigs

The defense is going to be stellar anytime you add a guy who has won DPOY and has 4 first team selections, thats a given. But you have to score too.

[SA37]

Spoiler:

If Giannis asks out…..

I’d put Ware, Herro, Terry (for contract match purposes) and ALL OF OUR PICKS 1sts and 2nds.

Bam Jovic
Giannis Highsmith
Wiggins JJJ
Powell Parson
Mitchell Kasparas

That’s a defensive JUGGERNAUT….

If Bam can continue to shoot the 3 efficiently

Gianni’s is a walking 30 and 10

Powell provides elite shooting and shot making.

Wiggins is not a star but an elite 3 and D player

Mitchell is a dawg.

I think our offer is a pretty damn good one….

bam is redundant with giannis here, herro would be a better player with giannis instead. a swap for bambi and giannis would be nice... also ware is a better blocker and rebounder than bam and his offense will come later and can actually shoot threes better too.

Bam for Giannis is a pipe dream that will not happen. I don't even think Giannis nor his agent would want something like that to go down as he also represents Bam. Just too much conflicts all the way around to even be discussing that notion.

Bam is the most likely piece leaving in a Giannis deal, and the deal would likely include a 3rd team because the Bucks won't want to pay Bam $60M a year and none of the discount pieces Milwaukee has signed/kept would take such discounts to play with Bam.

Bam isn't a massive ceiling raiser, but he may be a Chris Bosh/Pau Gasol-like missing piece for a team like Detroit, Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota..etc. teams like that.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

bam is redundant with giannis here, herro would be a better player with giannis instead. a swap for bambi and giannis would be nice... also ware is a better blocker and rebounder than bam and his offense will come later and can actually shoot threes better too.

Bam for Giannis is a pipe dream that will not happen. I don't even think Giannis nor his agent would want something like that to go down as he also represents Bam. Just too much conflicts all the way around to even be discussing that notion.

Bam is the most likely piece leaving in a Giannis deal, and the deal would likely include a 3rd team because the Bucks won't want to pay Bam $60M a year and none of the discount pieces Milwaukee has signed/kept would take such discounts to play with Bam.

Bam isn't a massive ceiling raiser, but he may be a Chris Bosh/Pau Gasol-like missing piece for a team like Detroit, Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota..etc. teams like that.

GET IT DONE PAT!!!!!

[SA37]

One of Castle or Harper should be on the trade block in a season.

Bam for Harper + picks? Would love to see Bam + Wemby frontcourt

Might actually become a Spurs fan if that happens!

If we go full blown rebuild like i expect after this upcoming season, and if the spurs have enough picks… then yea that would be a good trade partner.. doubt the spurs would let go of castle but ill take harper and all the picks we can get for Bam…

How can you expect a blowup when this FO has never believed in such an approach. We also owe the Hornets a pick in 2027 that we want to pay out so it doesn’t forward to 2028. It’s OKC pick 2.0 so fully expect us to continue to add pieces and compete for the playoffs while we continue to add through the draft.

As weak as the East is -- Philly with chronic injury concerns, Boston just lots its entire frontcourt + Tatum to injury, Indiana lost Turner in FA and Haliburton to injury, Milwaukee lost Lillard and might lose Giannis -- Miami is not going to blow up this roster.

Given the above, New York and Cleveland are the only teams that are way better than Miami. Orlando is likely better, but Miami can absolutely compete with them, Atlanta, and Detroit for spots 3/4.

So even if you obviate the precedent set by Riley over 30 years, this would be a suboptimal time to reverse course.

[HeatFanLifer]

If we go full blown rebuild like i expect after this upcoming season, and if the spurs have enough picks… then yea that would be a good trade partner.. doubt the spurs would let go of castle but ill take harper and all the picks we can get for Bam…

How can you expect a blowup when this FO has never believed in such an approach. We also owe the Hornets a pick in 2027 that we want to pay out so it doesn’t forward to 2028. It’s OKC pick 2.0 so fully expect us to continue to add pieces and compete for the playoffs while we continue to add through the draft.

As weak as the East is -- Philly with chronic injury concerns, Boston just lots its entire frontcourt + Tatum to injury, Indiana lost Turner in FA and Haliburton to injury, Milwaukee lost Lillard and might lose Giannis -- Miami is not going to blow up this roster.

Given the above, New York and Cleveland are the only teams that are way better than Miami. Orlando is likely better, but Miami can absolutely compete with them, Atlanta, and Detroit for spots 3/4.

So even if you obviate the precedent set by Riley over 30 years, this would be a suboptimal time to reverse course.

Even if the Heat somehow managed to get through the injury riddled East and get to the finals, do they really have what it takes to win it all? Vegas oddsmakers say no. Orlando, Atlanta, Detroit, even Philly and Indy all have better odds to go all the way. Is it possible the Heat can do something here? Yes, but this team needs a franchise player that will win games. Not just help win.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Spoiler:

bam is redundant with giannis here, herro would be a better player with giannis instead. a swap for bambi and giannis would be nice... also ware is a better blocker and rebounder than bam and his offense will come later and can actually shoot threes better too.

Bam for Giannis is a pipe dream that will not happen. I don't even think Giannis nor his agent would want something like that to go down as he also represents Bam. Just too much conflicts all the way around to even be discussing that notion.

Bam is the most likely piece leaving in a Giannis deal, and the deal would likely include a 3rd team because the Bucks won't want to pay Bam $60M a year and none of the discount pieces Milwaukee has signed/kept would take such discounts to play with Bam.

Bam isn't a massive ceiling raiser, but he may be a Chris Bosh/Pau Gasol-like missing piece for a team like Detroit, Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota..etc. teams like that.

Why would Giannis in his right mind want to come to a Miami team without Bam on it? Why would Bam’s agent who’s also Giannis agent want to see Bam end up on the Bucks? The Heat don’t do business this way. Bam is a home grown franchise pillar in the eyes of this FO

[Crazy-Canuck]

I get that....but he has a real point....defense would be stellar, and there would be more need for catch and shoot guys outside.

It is just fantasy , but if they could keep Ware-Bam-Jovic and add a GA type guy.....good grief..finally enough top size talent to maybe force Niko to the 3 some and Bam gets to chase around small dudes at will and team gives up very little leaving Ware-GA alone on other bigs

The defense is going to be stellar anytime you add a guy who has won DPOY and has 4 first team selections, thats a given. But you have to score too.

Even with giannis and lopez, shifting from jrue to dame absolutely cratered that defense. An aging and hurt Middleton didnt help.

[Hoops3355]

If we go full blown rebuild like i expect after this upcoming season, and if the spurs have enough picks… then yea that would be a good trade partner.. doubt the spurs would let go of castle but ill take harper and all the picks we can get for Bam…

How can you expect a blowup when this FO has never believed in such an approach. We also owe the Hornets a pick in 2027 that we want to pay out so it doesn’t forward to 2028. It’s OKC pick 2.0 so fully expect us to continue to add pieces and compete for the playoffs while we continue to add through the draft.

As weak as the East is -- Philly with chronic injury concerns, Boston just lots its entire frontcourt + Tatum to injury, Indiana lost Turner in FA and Haliburton to injury, Milwaukee lost Lillard and might lose Giannis -- Miami is not going to blow up this roster.

Given the above, New York and Cleveland are the only teams that are way better than Miami. Orlando is likely better, but Miami can absolutely compete with them, Atlanta, and Detroit for spots 3/4.

So even if you obviate the precedent set by Riley over 30 years, this would be a suboptimal time to reverse course.

That's sorta my thought too. I think we're gonna be better than last season by a decent stretch. This probably hasn't changed given the outcome of the summer but it's basically FO thinks someone comes available and that Terry Roizer, Fontecio, and HH package is 40m in expiring that probably is enough to match which ever 1B were targeting that we think is a 1A. Issue is finding someone agreeable to our draft compensation.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I get that....but he has a real point....defense would be stellar, and there would be more need for catch and shoot guys outside.

It is just fantasy , but if they could keep Ware-Bam-Jovic and add a GA type guy.....good grief..finally enough top size talent to maybe force Niko to the 3 some and Bam gets to chase around small dudes at will and team gives up very little leaving Ware-GA alone on other bigs

The defense is going to be stellar anytime you add a guy who has won DPOY and has 4 first team selections, thats a given. But you have to score too.

Even with giannis and lopez, shifting from jrue to dame absolutely cratered that defense. An aging and hurt Middleton didnt help.

The importance of POA defenders who aren’t traffic cones all game factored in with the fact that those guys (Giannis included) aren’t the defenders they used to be. When your perimeter guys get blown by all the time it’s continuously putting your big in bad situations 2v1 or whatever the case may be. They help it’s a dump off or a kick out for a corner 3, if they don’t help it’s a slightly contested at best shot in the paint. Luckily were anchored by the most versatile defender in the league to help make up for it here.