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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#201 » by omerome » Mon Aug 4, 2025 8:54 pm

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It's pretty clear to me that we need another playmaker, Brunson is the only playable one we have.


Clarkson is a second playmaker


I mean he's underated in that category, but he's by no means a pure playmaker...and we need that behind Brunson.

Clarkson should be able to spell Brunson 10-15 minutes a game when he rests. Not perfect, but you can't expect that from a minimum signing and with our limited options. And Clarkson does give you bench scoring, which we sorely needed last season.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#202 » by RHODEY » Mon Aug 4, 2025 9:11 pm

omerome wrote:
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GONYK wrote:
Clarkson is a second playmaker


I mean he's underated in that category, but he's by no means a pure playmaker...and we need that behind Brunson.

Clarkson should be able to spell Brunson 10-15 minutes a game when he rests. Not perfect, but you can't expect that from a minimum signing and with our limited options. And Clarkson does give you bench scoring, which we sorely needed last season.

Yep Clarkson is great as a scoring combo 6th man type. But for that last spot I believe we need that playmaker. Because the elite teams like Indiana took advantage of that weakness ...really I think thats a prime reason why they beat us ...I think Baron hit the nail on the head..
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#203 » by RHODEY » Mon Aug 4, 2025 9:14 pm

GONYK wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
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Clarkson is a second playmaker


I mean he's underated in that category, but he's by no means a pure playmaker...and we need that behind Brunson.


What do you mean by that? Kolek is a pure playmaker, but that doesn't get you much in today's NBA.


Yeah but Kolek aint ready....might not ever be due to physical limitations.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#204 » by KnixinSix » Mon Aug 4, 2025 11:49 pm

RHODEY wrote:
omerome wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
I mean he's underated in that category, but he's by no means a pure playmaker...and we need that behind Brunson.

Clarkson should be able to spell Brunson 10-15 minutes a game when he rests. Not perfect, but you can't expect that from a minimum signing and with our limited options. And Clarkson does give you bench scoring, which we sorely needed last season.

Yep Clarkson is great as a scoring combo 6th man type. But for that last spot I believe we need that playmaker. Because the elite teams like Indiana took advantage of that weakness ...really I think thats a prime reason why they beat us ...I think Baron hit the nail on the head..


Heres the thing: a VERY underrated part of Clarksons game is his ball handling and passing ability.

If you rein him in where he buys in to being a distributor when with some of the 'big' 4 and then a shooter only when needed or playing with lesser scorers on the floor, he could be a very nice add to the team dynamic.

Kind of a much better Cam Payne. That could take big time pressure off Brunson. And we havea much better coach to get the best utilzation out of these guys skillsets.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#205 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Aug 5, 2025 12:15 am

GONYK wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
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Clarkson is a second playmaker


I mean he's underated in that category, but he's by no means a pure playmaker...and we need that behind Brunson.


What do you mean by that? Kolek is a pure playmaker, but that doesn't get you much in today's NBA.


You are cool with the Clarkson move? You are comfortable with him being the backup "PG"?
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#206 » by RHODEY » Tue Aug 5, 2025 1:01 am

KnixinSix wrote:
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omerome wrote:Clarkson should be able to spell Brunson 10-15 minutes a game when he rests. Not perfect, but you can't expect that from a minimum signing and with our limited options. And Clarkson does give you bench scoring, which we sorely needed last season.

Yep Clarkson is great as a scoring combo 6th man type. But for that last spot I believe we need that playmaker. Because the elite teams like Indiana took advantage of that weakness ...really I think thats a prime reason why they beat us ...I think Baron hit the nail on the head..


Heres the thing: a VERY underrated part of Clarksons game is his ball handling and passing ability.

If you rein him in where he buys in to being a distributor when with some of the 'big' 4 and then a shooter only when needed or playing with lesser scorers on the floor, he could be a very nice add to the team dynamic.

Kind of a much better Cam Payne. That could take big time pressure off Brunson. And we havea much better coach to get the best utilzation out of these guys skillsets.

Right I already acknowledged that he's a better playmaker than given credit for...but still I dont really want him as my primary ball handler for long stretches..I would prefer a Brogdan or even Ben Simmons for that. Hopefully you are right though...because I dont think we are getting either of those 2.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#207 » by 8516knicks » Tue Aug 5, 2025 1:11 am

At this point Brogdon makes the most sense. Unlike Simmons, he can shoot. We just have to not play him the first 60 games! 8-) :o
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Post#208 » by Jay10 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 1:36 am

8516knicks wrote:At this point Brogdon makes the most sense. Unlike Simmons, he can shoot. We just have to not play him the first 60 games! 8-) :o

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Brogdon makes Anthony Davis look Mikal when it comes to being available to play.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#209 » by 8516knicks » Tue Aug 5, 2025 1:43 am

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8516knicks wrote:At this point Brogdon makes the most sense. Unlike Simmons, he can shoot. We just have to not play him the first 60 games! 8-) :o

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Brogdon makes Anthony Davis look Mikal when it comes to being available to play.


Okay, sit him for the first 70 games! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#210 » by KnixinSix » Tue Aug 5, 2025 1:53 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
GONYK wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
I mean he's underated in that category, but he's by no means a pure playmaker...and we need that behind Brunson.


What do you mean by that? Kolek is a pure playmaker, but that doesn't get you much in today's NBA.


You are cool with the Clarkson move? You are comfortable with him being the backup "PG"?


It depends on what they plan his role ro be here and if he fully buys in and executes it
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#211 » by KnixinSix » Tue Aug 5, 2025 1:55 am

RHODEY wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Yep Clarkson is great as a scoring combo 6th man type. But for that last spot I believe we need that playmaker. Because the elite teams like Indiana took advantage of that weakness ...really I think thats a prime reason why they beat us ...I think Baron hit the nail on the head..


Heres the thing: a VERY underrated part of Clarksons game is his ball handling and passing ability.

If you rein him in where he buys in to being a distributor when with some of the 'big' 4 and then a shooter only when needed or playing with lesser scorers on the floor, he could be a very nice add to the team dynamic.

Kind of a much better Cam Payne. That could take big time pressure off Brunson. And we havea much better coach to get the best utilzation out of these guys skillsets.

Right I already acknowledged that he's a better playmaker than given credit for...but still I dont really want him as my primary ball handler for long stretches..I would prefer a Brogdan or even Ben Simmons for that. Hopefully you are right though...because I dont think we are getting either of those 2.


For better or worse I think thats why Clarkson was brought in. He has the skillset for it. He really does. The question is is he willing to play that role? I would think these conversations were had in detail before he was signed.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#212 » by 8516knicks » Tue Aug 5, 2025 2:03 am

KnixinSix I'm disappointed you haven't gotten us Giannis yet; we may have to fire u as GM. 8-) :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Post#213 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Tue Aug 5, 2025 3:10 am

8516knicks wrote:
Jay10 wrote:
8516knicks wrote:At this point Brogdon makes the most sense. Unlike Simmons, he can shoot. We just have to not play him the first 60 games! 8-) :o

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Brogdon makes Anthony Davis look Mikal when it comes to being available to play.


Okay, sit him for the first 70 games! :lol: :lol:


Kind of like Mitch's plan. :lol:
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#214 » by GONYK » Tue Aug 5, 2025 3:43 am

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
GONYK wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
I mean he's underated in that category, but he's by no means a pure playmaker...and we need that behind Brunson.


What do you mean by that? Kolek is a pure playmaker, but that doesn't get you much in today's NBA.


You are cool with the Clarkson move? You are comfortable with him being the backup "PG"?
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#215 » by 8516knicks » Tue Aug 5, 2025 4:15 am

GONYK wrote:
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What do you mean by that? Kolek is a pure playmaker, but that doesn't get you much in today's NBA.


You are cool with the Clarkson move? You are comfortable with him being the backup "PG"?
Can't beat it for the price


unless he turns out to be Alonzo Trier #2.
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Post#216 » by RHODEY » Tue Aug 5, 2025 4:45 am

KnixinSix wrote:
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Heres the thing: a VERY underrated part of Clarksons game is his ball handling and passing ability.

If you rein him in where he buys in to being a distributor when with some of the 'big' 4 and then a shooter only when needed or playing with lesser scorers on the floor, he could be a very nice add to the team dynamic.

Kind of a much better Cam Payne. That could take big time pressure off Brunson. And we havea much better coach to get the best utilzation out of these guys skillsets.

Right I already acknowledged that he's a better playmaker than given credit for...but still I dont really want him as my primary ball handler for long stretches..I would prefer a Brogdan or even Ben Simmons for that. Hopefully you are right though...because I dont think we are getting either of those 2.


For better or worse I think thats why Clarkson was brought in. He has the skillset for it. He really does. The question is is he willing to play that role? I would think these conversations were had in detail before he was signed.

I think he was brought in for shot creation from the bench ...a role that he is very well suited for. His solid playmaking (for a combo guard)is icing on the cake....but we need more than icing imo.
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Post#217 » by spree2kawhi » Tue Aug 5, 2025 8:04 am

GONYK wrote:
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What do you mean by that? Kolek is a pure playmaker, but that doesn't get you much in today's NBA.


You are cool with the Clarkson move? You are comfortable with him being the backup "PG"?
Can't beat it for the price

Sexton would have been the best choice, but at that price Clarkson is off the charts. I think we’ll be fine with him.
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Post#218 » by KnixinSix » Tue Aug 5, 2025 2:51 pm

RHODEY wrote:
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RHODEY wrote:Right I already acknowledged that he's a better playmaker than given credit for...but still I dont really want him as my primary ball handler for long stretches..I would prefer a Brogdan or even Ben Simmons for that. Hopefully you are right though...because I dont think we are getting either of those 2.


For better or worse I think thats why Clarkson was brought in. He has the skillset for it. He really does. The question is is he willing to play that role? I would think these conversations were had in detail before he was signed.

I think he was brought in for shot creation from the bench ...a role that he is very well suited for. His solid playmaking (for a combo guard)is icing on the cake....but we need more than icing imo.



I agree a little of everything but when spelling Brunson and playing with our top players or playing in the backcourt with Brunson he will need to be a ball handler and shot creator for others more than chucking up shots himself. Career wise he is a low efficiency scorer and ideally you don't want him taking a bunch of shots with higher efficiency scorers on the floor. You wanting him shooting more when the main guys are not playing well (offense is stagnant), some guys are out that particular game, or Brown is playing a lot of the lesser scorers on the floor with him.
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Post#219 » by RHODEY » Tue Aug 5, 2025 4:06 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
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For better or worse I think thats why Clarkson was brought in. He has the skillset for it. He really does. The question is is he willing to play that role? I would think these conversations were had in detail before he was signed.

I think he was brought in for shot creation from the bench ...a role that he is very well suited for. His solid playmaking (for a combo guard)is icing on the cake....but we need more than icing imo.



I agree a little of everything but when spelling Brunson and playing with our top players or playing in the backcourt with Brunson he will need to be a ball handler and shot creator for others more than chucking up shots himself. Career wise he is a low efficiency scorer and ideally you don't want him taking a bunch of shots with higher efficiency scorers on the floor. You wanting him shooting more when the main guys are not playing well (offense is stagnant), some guys are out that particular game, or Brown is playing a lot of the lesser scorers on the floor with him.

I said no such thing. I said they brought him in for shot creation, because nobody else on the team besides Brunson (and certainly no one on the bench)was particularly good at getting their own.

The whole efficiency thing ...that is another discussion that pulls us away from this discussion..which was... we need more ball handing.
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Post#220 » by KnixinSix » Tue Aug 5, 2025 4:11 pm

RHODEY wrote:
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RHODEY wrote:I think he was brought in for shot creation from the bench ...a role that he is very well suited for. His solid playmaking (for a combo guard)is icing on the cake....but we need more than icing imo.



I agree a little of everything but when spelling Brunson and playing with our top players or playing in the backcourt with Brunson he will need to be a ball handler and shot creator for others more than chucking up shots himself. Career wise he is a low efficiency scorer and ideally you don't want him taking a bunch of shots with higher efficiency scorers on the floor. You wanting him shooting more when the main guys are not playing well (offense is stagnant), some guys are out that particular game, or Brown is playing a lot of the lesser scorers on the floor with him.

I said no such thing. I said they brought him in for shot creation, because nobody else on the team besides Brunson (and certainly no one on the bench)was particularly good at getting their own.

The whole efficiency thing ...that is another discussion that pulls us away from this discussion..which was... we need more ball handing.


Bridges absolutely can create his own shot. Related to that, KAT for a big is pretty good at driving to the hole. KAT vs other bigs can create a bit too. To your point it still is a need though.
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