CS707 wrote:vvoland wrote:CS707 wrote:
The “year-long strategy” reference is about those recent reports saying the Warriors didn’t negotiate with Kuminga last year because of BYC stuff, implying they were planning to trade him all along. I just don’t buy that. Sounds more like something coming from JK’s camp to push back on the idea that they were asking for too much.
What does make more sense to me and what I’ve said before, is that Kuminga’s side asked for the moon, so the front office shut things down until the offseason. Then they came back with that $73M(?) offer, which JK turned down. Once the market didn’t develop, both sides kind of dug in. It wouldn’t surprise me if JK’s camp and Lacob specifically are both taking it a little too personal right now.
You don't think he was on the block? The warriors were messaging for like 18 months before they got Jimmy, since the JP3 trade, that they were big game hunting. JK was always part of the potential package and the dream of trading him for Giannis was always around. He was in the siakam discussion, the pg and lauri trade talks, and that was before last year started.
I don't see why slater would state that pretty clearly, piss of the FO, if not true, and tarnish his rep in league circles. All that, in his first week at ESPN, just to appease an agent with no other basketball players of note? Doesn't sound right to me
I mean, literally anyone but Steph is on the block if we’re talking about Giannis. But no, I don’t think he was ever being actively shopped. That would have been reported on a long time ago. Until recently the narrative was that he was the deal breaker in a lot of those conversations.
IIRC at least at one point the word was that the Dubs didn’t want to deal JK for Siakim because they viewed him as a similar player already, just younger and cheaper.
That said, these are the exact conversations I’m referring to when I say things start to contradict. If he was being shopped then there was no market for him, the front office would have realized it before the offseason. Unless JK is delusional, he would have too and this whole process would have been a lot smoother.
What makes sense to me is that the Warriors (Lacob) are still intrigued with his potential and JK certainly hasn’t suffered humility from being up for trade since last season with no legitimate interest. It’s not as sexy a story but I think the two sides are just bunkered down right with the Warriors preferred outcome being to keep him.
My "on the block" statement was a bit much. I don't think they were actively shopping him like they seemed primed to before the deadline but for his injury.
You may be right about jk in the pascal trade but I remember the deal breaker then to be the team's conviction that siakam wouldn't extend and they didn't want to give up jk (and a of picks/other assets) for a rental.
I think he was pretty clearly in the discussions a year ago and the clippers and the jazz wanted jk, and podz and picks, for their 'stars.' kinda dodged a bullet on that one. I can see why jk and/or the team thought he'd have trade value around the league considering every time they had substantive trade discussions, jk was a material part of the package.
Slater's reporting about last year makes sense because they clearly were shopping him through the Lauri extension and, once that fell through, they knew they'd be talking to every all-star before the deadline. I think it was Miami, not us, that didn't want jk in the butler deal. The dnp-cds at the end of the year really destroyed the trade value that wasn't already damaged by the injury and struggle to get back with JB on the team.
I'm not saying they were actively shopping him but, unlike their core, were certainly willing to build packages that included JK. That they didn't eventually move him is certainly a mistake, not just in hindsight. That said, moving everything for siakam if he told you he won't start, or PG or Lauri last year, would have been big mistakes that would have ended the curry era (unless they convinced siakam to stay).
Regardless of all of that, I'm not sure why it took the team so long to make that shitttty offer and why they are just waiting this out. I really don't see the benefit and if there really was a better deal our there, neither slater nor TK would be willing to shill for the team like this. Even if they did, Shams or someone would have reported it. Is a partial guarantee on that second year really a big update? Even a straight 2/45 is very little risk for gsw but we're in August already and they're still trying to bend him over. What am I missing?
P.S. I may have missed the 73M JK turned down. When was that?
