[Shams] Spurs agree to 4 yr, $229 million max extension with De'Aaron Fox

[G R E Y]

Best case for SA is that he plays well enough and the team does well enough that they can eventually package that contract with picks and get a better player to pair with Wemby. Not sure if that's how it will play out or not but part of be thinks he is fairly unlikely to finish out that contract as a Spur unless he really works on improving his efficiency and defense.

The interesting question to ponder here when the time comes (if it comes to that) is which player can a Fox + package match salaries for...

[Bornstellar]

Man Fox is getting killed in here I can't wait to bump this during the season when the Spurs are firmly in the playoff hunt because he and Victor are doing what they need to do. People need to keep in mind that Fox has always been miscast as a #1 option and has never had the chance to play #2 to someone like Victor. He is going to thrive in the Tony Parker role for us

[dakomish23]

It's not that I don't think Fox impacts winning. I just don't know if the fit is what I'd want around Wemby. We'll see what it looks like with a full training camp, maybe I'm wrong and they're unstoppable together

[hardenASG13]

Man Fox is getting killed in here I can't wait to bump this during the season when the Spurs are firmly in the playoff hunt because he and Victor are doing what they need to do. People need to keep in mind that Fox has always been miscast as a #1 option and has never had the chance to play #2 to someone like Victor. He is going to thrive in the Tony Parker role for us

Yep, he was the best point guard available to them, which has been their greatest need since drafting Wemby. I've watched more spurs games in the last 2 years than any other team in the league by far. Fox is exactly what they needed, and got him while giving up no rotation players. They know they are ready to compete now with Wemby, and adding a legit PG, which Fox clearly is at minimum (all star level imo) is going to do so much for Wemby, which is downright scary. They're going to surprise alot of these haters, who seemingly still don't understand what the Spurs have in Wemby or what adding an all star level PG next to him for the first time in his career is going to do. Wembys barely scratched his surface these past 2 years with Sochan, CP3 and Tre Jones (none of them starting caliber) as the main PGs/ball handlers.

[dhsilv2]

Fox is about to blow up getting out of the **** hole organization that’s Sacramento. People are too low on a 25,6,5 player who will have a lot of opportunities open up playing with Wemby, better spacing and more talent. Fox will only be 32 when the contract ends and it’s a sneaky tradable salary ballast.

I love fox. he's a UK guy and even back then he played with like a winner. But it's not crazy to be concerned about his size and resilience as a playoff scorer. He's just small and weak. He's also lightening quick to makeup for it but it can be a struggle. His defense is an issue but Wemby kinda covers that up well.

So I get the concerns here. Also "only 32" is kinda past the prime of guys with Fox's profile as a small speed player if anything goes wrong for him. Obviously modern medicine is great so hope we don't have an issue there.

[pcbothwel]

Bad deal. He is in the Beal, McCollum, Van fleet caliber of player and SAS paid him a 4-year max a year early. Why not wait a year or at least make it 3 years with a TO for the 4th.
Wild.

[Pointgod]

Best case for SA is that he plays well enough and the team does well enough that they can eventually package that contract with picks and get a better player to pair with Wemby. Not sure if that's how it will play out or not but part of be thinks he is fairly unlikely to finish out that contract as a Spur unless he really works on improving his efficiency and defense.

The interesting question to ponder here when the time comes (if it comes to that) is which player can a Fox + package match salaries for...

My guess is it’s Fox, Vasell and picks for top 10 front court player.

[bonita_the_frog]

At least Fox gives full effort, unlike Luka who i'd never sign to any job.

This is one of the worst takes I've ever seen. Luka is practically a made man for what he's done in the playoffs.

Fox hasn't done anything of note in his career.

The hate for Luka is wild.

I just hate lazy defenders (though hate is probably not the word, just i don't support lazy defenders), especially the ones that complain about not getting a foul call on offense when they should be running back on defense.
Luka is the poster child for that.

Plus there's the lack of effort given to fitness, which hasn't changed, because Luka's known for being in shape long before the season starts...
So I'd sign De'Aaron Fox, but i wouldn't sign Luka, obviously.

Anyway, that's the last time i'll mention Luka Doncic on this thread, no matter how much other posters mention him.
This is all about De'Aron Fox, a player very capable of being the #2 on a championship team, and easily worth locking up for 4 years.
Because either you'll need Fox to help Wemby win a ring in the next 4 years, or you'll need Fox to help you at least qualify for the playoffs while the youngsters are developing.

[TheAlchemist]

Don't really know why people are saying "Kings dodged a bullet" on that one.

LOL.

Kings are paying Lavine 47 million, Derozan 24.7 million, Schroder 14 million. All are 2 years, 2 years and 3 years.

I rather pay Fox the 1-2 years extra and replace Lavine + change any day.

You can say it's an overpay, but if you hold context, you see very well that it's not that much of an overpay.

[TheAlchemist]

Best case for SA is that he plays well enough and the team does well enough that they can eventually package that contract with picks and get a better player to pair with Wemby. Not sure if that's how it will play out or not but part of be thinks he is fairly unlikely to finish out that contract as a Spur unless he really works on improving his efficiency and defense.

The interesting question to ponder here when the time comes (if it comes to that) is which player can a Fox + package match salaries for...

Many.

As a Raptors fan, you can look at a lot of our players and have ur pick lol. Including Brandon ingram I think.

[Marvin Martian]

How so as far as the fit? He can get to the rim and if Wembys man helps at all its a drop off dunk. Hes going to open up so much for Wemby. They don't need Fox to be a superstar, that's Wemby.

Wrong. Fox can't shoot. Teams will be more than happy to go under every screen and let Fox chuck 3s all day.

Also Wemby is a superstar but he's not Jokic. He is not a point center and needs someone who can actually run an offense. Fox is not that guy

Fox most certainly can run an offense, doesnt always need a screen, and is explosive enough to still turn the corner should teams go under screens. Hes also not such a bad shooter that teams invite him to take open looks. Thats a major exaggeration. If you go under screens against a guy like Fox, it gives him a head of steam to attack. Thats kind of what he does. It also opens up wemby as a roll man, which he is 1 of 1 video game level at and know has a guy who can turn the corner in Fox in such scenarios, for the first time in wembys career.

He cannot. He is a score first combo guard. People watch Jokic-Murray, or Lebron-Irving and thinks that Fox is a number 2 option without paying attention to who is the number 1.

Combo guards can only be viable as a #2, when the #1 is running the show. Wemby doesn't have that skillset. Most of his impact is coming from the defensive end. Offensively, he settles for too many 3s and tends to disappear overall

[tsherkin]

Best case for SA is that he plays well enough and the team does well enough that they can eventually package that contract with picks and get a better player to pair with Wemby. Not sure if that's how it will play out or not but part of be thinks he is fairly unlikely to finish out that contract as a Spur unless he really works on improving his efficiency and defense.

The interesting question to ponder here when the time comes (if it comes to that) is which player can a Fox + package match salaries for...

Many.

As a Raptors fan, you can look at a lot of our players and have ur pick lol. Including Brandon ingram I think.

Mmmm. I wanna see how Ingram works out for us instead of trading him for a guy who is worse, but healthier. We have that player already.

[Rust_Cohle]

Are we absolutely sure the Spurs are a well run organization in 2025?

We'll have to see what they do going forward.

I have questions about their on-court strategies, and this signing is weird. The DeRozan acquisition was weird before that. They've been dropping puzzlers for a while, and outside of Wemby, could really use a substantial win.

Are we absolutely sure the Spurs are a well run organization in 2025?

DeRozan was to keep them in the playoff hunt but I was never crazy about him. No players worth tanking for back then compared to wemby.

Castle was a fantastic pick at 4 and Harper is a no brainer. Really loved the kornet pick up as well.

I think they’ve been mostly really good since drafting wemby (which any GM could do with the top pick). Not thrilled with fox contract but love him much more as. 2 or 3 option than building around him as your number 1 like kings tried to do. Carter Bryant is another pick I have high hopes for but time will tell. If they can even get the 6th seed this year they are on the right track.

[Rust_Cohle]

The interesting question to ponder here when the time comes (if it comes to that) is which player can a Fox + package match salaries for...

Many.

As a Raptors fan, you can look at a lot of our players and have ur pick lol. Including Brandon ingram I think.

Mmmm. I wanna see how Ingram works out for us instead of trading him for a guy who is worse, but healthier. We have that player already.

Fox is inarguably better than Ingram. Come on man be serious. Fox is around top 30 in the league, Ingram isn’t close to that.

[hardenASG13]

Wrong. Fox can't shoot. Teams will be more than happy to go under every screen and let Fox chuck 3s all day.

Also Wemby is a superstar but he's not Jokic. He is not a point center and needs someone who can actually run an offense. Fox is not that guy

Fox most certainly can run an offense, doesnt always need a screen, and is explosive enough to still turn the corner should teams go under screens. Hes also not such a bad shooter that teams invite him to take open looks. Thats a major exaggeration. If you go under screens against a guy like Fox, it gives him a head of steam to attack. Thats kind of what he does. It also opens up wemby as a roll man, which he is 1 of 1 video game level at and know has a guy who can turn the corner in Fox in such scenarios, for the first time in wembys career.

He cannot. He is a score first combo guard. People watch Jokic-Murray, or Lebron-Irving and thinks that Fox is a number 2 option without paying attention to who is the number 1.

Combo guards can only be viable as a #2, when the #1 is running the show. Wemby doesn't have that skillset. Most of his impact is coming from the defensive end. Offensively, he settles for too many 3s and tends to disappear overall

Who could they get/have acquired at guard who is better than Fox? They're interesting now in that they not only have Fox, but Castle and Harper as combo guards.

As far Wemby disappearing and settling for 3s.....do you think that had to do with their lack of a pg who could get downhill and collapse a defense (which fox absolutely does)? Hes barely been utilized as a lob threat or dump off guy due to never playing with a guard like Fox. Hes had sochan, tre Jones and cp3 as his PG. He cant really post up unless its a quick catch and go/turnaround. Hes going to disappear a lot less now that Fox is there, hes the best player ive ever seen in the dunker spot but it hasn't been capitalized on. Fox fixes that.

[LightTheBeam]

Did the Spurs window just close before it was ever open?

No. They are going to be really good, starting next year. They have desperately needed a PG since Wemby has arrived. Hes been grossly underutilized as a lob threat and dump off finisher (which hes the best ive ever seen at, can easily drop step dunk from the FT line area) because they've had nobody who can get to the rim or draw the defense on a drive from that position. Fox is that guy. Sabonis wasn't nearly the player Wemby is, and certainly not as a lob threat/finisher. Or pop guy who can shoot the 3. This will unlock Wemby to another level, which is scary. They played 5 games together last year, with Fox playing with a shooting hand that needed surgery.

Not sure what yall are freaking out about, Fox is an all star level guard. This is what they make.

Fox still one of my favorite players of all time, and I've defended him leaving this trash org. But he is not a pnr lob pg.

We saw in Sac with Hali and then with Monk, those guys had superior ability in the pick and roll. I get we didn't have a big pnr threat like Wemby, so i'm sure just about any competent player can figure that out. Hali made Holmes playable, Monk made Sabonis thrive in that spot. Fox wasn't able to do that.

Fox was best taking the screen and hitting a mid range. Sadly the last few years he fell in love with the 3 and refused to thrive where he was best at. I think Spurs are the kind of org that can make him play to his strengths so we will see.

[NYPiston]

Just makes you appreciate a guy like Brunson even more. Fox took the Spurs to the cleaners, very good player but he's getting paid like an elite #1 option which is wild IMO.

[tsherkin]

Fox is inarguably better than Ingram. Come on man be serious. Fox is around top 30 in the league, Ingram isn’t close to that.

No, that isn't inarguable at all. The only thing that's inarguable is that Fox has been healthier. Otherwise, he isn't better on either side of the ball.

[Rust_Cohle]

Fox is inarguably better than Ingram. Come on man be serious. Fox is around top 30 in the league, Ingram isn’t close to that.

No, that isn't inarguable at all. The only thing that's inarguable is that Fox has been healthier. Otherwise, he isn't better on either side of the ball.

Metric | De’Aaron Fox | Brandon Ingram
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Career BPM | **+1.5** | +0.6
Career Win Shares (WS) | **~38** | ~32
Career VORP | **~14.2** | ~10.5
Peak BPM Season | **+4.3 (2022–23)** | +2.5 (2019–20)
Offensive BPM (Career) | **+2.8** | +1.7
Defensive Impact | **Average / Slight +**| Below Average
Playoff BPM (avg) | **+3.2 (13 games)** | +1.4 (15 games)
Career Usage Rate | ~29% | ~26%
Turnover Rate | **Lower (~9–10%)** | Higher (~13%)

Fox has just had the bigger impact overall — his advanced stats (like BPM, VORP, and Win Shares) are better across the board, and he’s had a higher peak season too. Even with more offensive responsibility, he takes care of the ball better than Ingram. He’s also shown up more in the playoffs, plays stronger defense on the perimeter, and helped the kings end their 17-year playoff drought. Add in how clutch he’s been, and it’s clear he’s brought more to the table so far.
the corpse of brandon ingram is not better than fox, and I'm not even thrilled with fox.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Brandon-Ingram/Comparison/72279/DeAaron-Fox/59503

[Rust_Cohle]

Just makes you appreciate a guy like Brunson even more. Fox took the Spurs to the cleaners, very good player but he's getting paid like an elite #1 option which is wild IMO.

He'll get overpaid for his next contract, knicks have apron issues very soon once his extension kicks in hurting them sooner than later. Brunson's deserve the money though for sure. Great player.