2025 Offseason Thread Vol.6

[Kobewade11]

Even with giannis and lopez, shifting from jrue to dame absolutely cratered that defense. An aging and hurt Middleton didnt help.

I'm sure Doc didnt help either.

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Teams are lining up to give him a contract as a sixth man off the bench

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How can you expect a blowup when this FO has never believed in such an approach. We also owe the Hornets a pick in 2027 that we want to pay out so it doesn’t forward to 2028. It’s OKC pick 2.0 so fully expect us to continue to add pieces and compete for the playoffs while we continue to add through the draft.

As weak as the East is -- Philly with chronic injury concerns, Boston just lots its entire frontcourt + Tatum to injury, Indiana lost Turner in FA and Haliburton to injury, Milwaukee lost Lillard and might lose Giannis -- Miami is not going to blow up this roster.

Given the above, New York and Cleveland are the only teams that are way better than Miami. Orlando is likely better, but Miami can absolutely compete with them, Atlanta, and Detroit for spots 3/4.

So even if you obviate the precedent set by Riley over 30 years, this would be a suboptimal time to reverse course.

Even if the Heat somehow managed to get through the injury riddled East and get to the finals, do they really have what it takes to win it all? Vegas oddsmakers say no. Orlando, Atlanta, Detroit, even Philly and Indy all have better odds to go all the way. Is it possible the Heat can do something here? Yes, but this team needs a franchise player that will win games. Not just help win.

I was amongst those who thought Miami needed to go "all-in" for Durant, but Miami reportedly had a limit on what it was willing to offer.

At any rate, we are where we are. Miami has a roster that can compete for HC advantage in the East and the Heat would rather roll the dice on a bit of luck in the playoffs than pray for ping-pong balls. If Miami's youngns make the improvements some on this board think they will, Miami could surprise to the upside.

I think that is how the FO sees things and is not put off by Miami's lack of star player, but rather thinks it is in a position to acquire Giannis should he decide to ask for a trade.

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Bam for Giannis is a pipe dream that will not happen. I don't even think Giannis nor his agent would want something like that to go down as he also represents Bam. Just too much conflicts all the way around to even be discussing that notion.

Bam is the most likely piece leaving in a Giannis deal, and the deal would likely include a 3rd team because the Bucks won't want to pay Bam $60M a year and none of the discount pieces Milwaukee has signed/kept would take such discounts to play with Bam.

Bam isn't a massive ceiling raiser, but he may be a Chris Bosh/Pau Gasol-like missing piece for a team like Detroit, Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota..etc. teams like that.

Why would Giannis in his right mind want to come to a Miami team without Bam on it? Why would Bam’s agent who’s also Giannis agent want to see Bam end up on the Bucks? The Heat don’t do business this way. Bam is a home grown franchise pillar in the eyes of this FO

Like I said, my guess is Bam would be sent to a 3rd team. I don't think Milwaukee -- or any 3rd team -- is taking any combination of anything else Miami can offer -- and other teams will make strong offers for Giannis.

The thing Milwaukee needs most is draft picks given they traded away most of their 1sts in the Holiday and Lillard deals. If it were Miami's picks, the stronger Miami's team is, the worse those picks are likely to be.

Miami would still be unlikely to have the best offer. San Antonio and OKC have crazy amounts of picks and young guys they could send to Milwaukee, for example.

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[Crazy-Canuck]

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Bam is the most likely piece leaving in a Giannis deal, and the deal would likely include a 3rd team because the Bucks won't want to pay Bam $60M a year and none of the discount pieces Milwaukee has signed/kept would take such discounts to play with Bam.

Bam isn't a massive ceiling raiser, but he may be a Chris Bosh/Pau Gasol-like missing piece for a team like Detroit, Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota..etc. teams like that.

Why would Giannis in his right mind want to come to a Miami team without Bam on it? Why would Bam’s agent who’s also Giannis agent want to see Bam end up on the Bucks? The Heat don’t do business this way. Bam is a home grown franchise pillar in the eyes of this FO

Like I said, my guess is Bam would be sent to a 3rd team. I don't think Milwaukee -- or any 3rd team -- is taking any combination of anything else Miami can offer -- and other teams will make strong offers for Giannis.

The thing Milwaukee needs most is draft picks given they traded away most of their 1sts in the Holiday and Lillard deals. If it were Miami's picks, the stronger Miami's team is, the worse those picks are likely to be.

Miami would still be unlikely to have the best offer. San Antonio and OKC have crazy amounts of picks and young guys they could send to Milwaukee, for example.

I dont think it's unfathomable for the Bucks to see:

Jak as the pg of the future.
Ware as the C of the future.
Herro as the hometown kid and stop gap

Multiple unprotected picks and swaps

As the basis of a deal.

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Bill Owens. I haven't thought about that guy in a bit. I was young during these years. Glenn Rice would be nice on our squad.

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Why would Giannis in his right mind want to come to a Miami team without Bam on it? Why would Bam’s agent who’s also Giannis agent want to see Bam end up on the Bucks? The Heat don’t do business this way. Bam is a home grown franchise pillar in the eyes of this FO

Like I said, my guess is Bam would be sent to a 3rd team. I don't think Milwaukee -- or any 3rd team -- is taking any combination of anything else Miami can offer -- and other teams will make strong offers for Giannis.

The thing Milwaukee needs most is draft picks given they traded away most of their 1sts in the Holiday and Lillard deals. If it were Miami's picks, the stronger Miami's team is, the worse those picks are likely to be.

Miami would still be unlikely to have the best offer. San Antonio and OKC have crazy amounts of picks and young guys they could send to Milwaukee, for example.

I dont think it's unfathomable for the Bucks to see:

Jak as the pg of the future.
Ware as the C of the future.
Herro as the hometown kid and stop gap

Multiple unprotected picks and swaps

As the basis of a deal.

IMO, Herro is a "run of the mill" guard. That sounds harsh, but he's not even top-10 at his position. And it's less about him and more about the talent in the league: the NBA is just full of guards than can get you 20-25 a game. How much better is Herro than Coby White, Norman Powell, RJ Barrett, Austin Reaves, Cam Thomas, Bradley Beal, Anfernee Simons, Devin Vassell, or CJ McCollum?

And, that Miami offer is beatable and Giannis goes to a better team:

OKC: Holmgren, Dieng, Topic, and picks (from other teams)

San Antonio: Harper, Sochan, Johnson, and picks.

Houston: Sengun OR Jabari Smith, Sheppard, and picks


Bam is "unique"; there are very few players who can play both sides of the ball as well as he does. Yeah, he's passive offensively, but he still gets you 20/game and is an all-NBA level defender.

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Like I said, my guess is Bam would be sent to a 3rd team. I don't think Milwaukee -- or any 3rd team -- is taking any combination of anything else Miami can offer -- and other teams will make strong offers for Giannis.

The thing Milwaukee needs most is draft picks given they traded away most of their 1sts in the Holiday and Lillard deals. If it were Miami's picks, the stronger Miami's team is, the worse those picks are likely to be.

Miami would still be unlikely to have the best offer. San Antonio and OKC have crazy amounts of picks and young guys they could send to Milwaukee, for example.

I dont think it's unfathomable for the Bucks to see:

Jak as the pg of the future.
Ware as the C of the future.
Herro as the hometown kid and stop gap

Multiple unprotected picks and swaps

As the basis of a deal.

IMO, Herro is a "run of the mill" guard. That sounds harsh, but he's not even top-10 at his position. And it's less about him and more about the talent in the league: the NBA is just full of guards than can get you 20-25 a game. How much better is Herro than Coby White, Norman Powell, RJ Barrett, Austin Reaves, Cam Thomas, Bradley Beal, Anfernee Simons, Devin Vassell, or CJ McCollum?

And, that Miami offer is beatable and Giannis goes to a better team:

OKC: Holmgren, Dieng, Topic, and picks (from other teams)

San Antonio: Harper, Sochan, Johnson, and picks.

Houston: Sengun OR Jabari Smith, Sheppard, and picks


Bam is "unique"; there are very few players who can play both sides of the ball as well as he does. Yeah, he's passive offensively, but he still gets you 20/game and is an all-NBA level defender.

What 10 SGs do you have better than Herro? Not disagreeing, just curious. I haven’t dug into it much but off the top of my head it’s probably one of the weaker if not the weakest position in the league.

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Herro Terry and Jaime for Trae and Kennard. Daniels came into the league as a PG, slide Herro in there at the 2. Norman plays off of Trae like he did Harden, Wiggins spots up and slashes, and Trae makes life way easier for our bigs as their 2 man game would be elite. You swap one offense only guard for another who fills more team needs and is a top 5 playmaker in the league to fix our perimeter playmaking issues.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Crazy that we were all fawning over Lillard. Guy is as soft as baby s***.

The narrative is now that he "never wanted to leave Portland" lmao

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45899364/next-damian-lillard-nba-future-portland-trail-blazer

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Crazy that we were all fawning over Lillard. Guy is as soft as baby s***.

The narrative is now that he "never wanted to leave Portland" lmao

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45899364/next-damian-lillard-nba-future-portland-trail-blazer

I mean to be fair he probably didn’t but realized his time was ticking on contributing to a championship so he gave the one team he wanted to join and thought could get him that championship. He told Portland if it wasn’t Miami then he didn’t want to leave, Portland decided to still trade him.

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This is the person reporting this rumor. Some rando in Instabul lmao



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I wouldn't be so quick to discredit a foreign reporter who might have some inside knowledge of a potential buyout if Simone has plans to head on over back to Europe. The buyout actually makes a lot of sense right now for the Heat as they are currently 1.4 over the tax line with some really good minimum free agents still available. Simone is currently like our 4th backup wing on the depth chart with a major hole at the backup Center spot and we could honestly use another shooter at the guard spot as well. If Simone is waived and stretched for the next 3 years his 8.3 million dollar contract would account for a nominal 2.7 cap hit. The move opens up 5.6 million in space with after deducting the 1.4 to get under the tax leaves us with 4.2 million under the line to sign two minimum free agents at 1.8 million per and leaving us just below the luxury tax.

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Absolutely not, WAY too much!!