Josh Giddey Thread 2.0

[Red8911]

Giddey yesterday posted a picture of him and his teammates,then writing “missing the guys”.

It seems like he does want to play for the Bulls and likes it here so I do wonder if this keeps dragging does he and his agents change their stance ?

Bulls don’t seem to give a sht they’ll wait until the season starts if they have to lol. AK is probably on vacation chilling by the beach waiting for Giddey to call him with the price he wants.

[Red8911]

Giddeys not getting 30M. His agents need to get real. If it was warranted, another team wouldve gotten involved in S&T talks, Take a short term, higher $ offer like 2/50 or 3/75, hit FA in a few years and get more $ if its earned.

Kudos to our FO for not caving. Just cause Toronto f’ed up with the Quickley extension doesn’t mean its the going rate for everyone.

Not to mention, Giddey has pretty limited marketability as his brand is still recovering from the underage stuff. Time heals (almost) all, but still too soon.

We’ll see where it lands but its kinda embarrassing for Giddey’s representation at this point.

Exactly, an interested team would have made a s&t offer within the first week of FA after seeing him not signing. I highly doubt anyone else is interested to not only pay him 30M but to also have the Bulls agree on a trade. It’s too much for Giddey.

He’s got to make a decision, if he feels he’s getting robbed then by all means take that QO and get that 30 mil next year. If not then the asking price needs to drop.

I don’t understand why this is dragging so much. No other team will all of a sudden make him an offer so he’s limited with those 2 options since the Bulls have leverage.

[sco]

Giddeys not getting 30M. His agents need to get real. If it was warranted, another team wouldve gotten involved in S&T talks, Take a short term, higher $ offer like 2/50 or 3/75, hit FA in a few years and get more $ if its earned.

Kudos to our FO for not caving. Just cause Toronto f’ed up with the Quickley extension doesn’t mean its the going rate for everyone.

Not to mention, Giddey has pretty limited marketability as his brand is still recovering from the underage stuff. Time heals (almost) all, but still too soon.

We’ll see where it lands but its kinda embarrassing for Giddey’s representation at this point.

Exactly, an interested team would have made a s&t offer within the first week of FA after seeing him not signing. I highly doubt anyone else is interested to not only pay him 30M but to also have the Bulls agree on a trade. It’s too much for Giddey.

He’s got to make a decision, if he feels he’s getting robbed then by all means take that QO and get that 30 mil next year. If not then the asking price needs to drop.

I don’t understand why this is dragging so much. No other team will all of a sudden make him an offer so he’s limited with those 2 options since the Bulls have leverage.

You don't know that another team won't come forward...I think there was noise about Utah, as an example. Again, whatever deal the Bulls have on the table isn't getting pulled or reduced. Say what you want about AK being dumb (which I believe), but even he isn't that dumb. So if I'm Giddey's agent sitting on essentially a free option, why give it away now. There will be a point when the situation will get riskier, but honestly, that won't happen until the start of the regular season. Giddey doesn't really need camp or the preseason.

[TheJordanRule]

His agent must be a real doodoo head. Josh was good, not great. Why can't we compromise on a lesser figure? $30 mil per year as some lame ass arbitrary line in the sand. C'mon.

[TheJordanRule]

You sure?

Josh Giddey, 70 games: 14.6/8.1/7.2 on 47/38/78. 18.1 PER. On-Off +/- +0.4. VORP: 2.7

De'Aaron Fox, 62 games: 23.5/4.8/6.3 on 46/31/83. 18.3 PER. On-Off +/- -0.9. VORP: 1.3

Yeah I would. I'd be more willing to give Fox credit for his prior years of better performance before I would give Giddey credit for his 1/3 season of better performance in my decision. But don't get me wrong, I'm rooting hard for Giddey to come back and do more of that year-end stuff!

Fox: 2023: 21.8 PER. 2024: 20.1 PER. 2025: 19 PER (SAC). 16.8 PER (SA)

Its not a massive drop off until he hits the Spurs, but i think he is past his peak.

Excellent post, despite it being a controversial take. Fox is considerably more athletic, and better at both ends when he's healthy. But the injury issues have brought him down to this level. If he can heal up, he can return to Franchise player level. Obviously, that's a big IF, but should be factored in.

[Chi town]

Yeah I would. I'd be more willing to give Fox credit for his prior years of better performance before I would give Giddey credit for his 1/3 season of better performance in my decision. But don't get me wrong, I'm rooting hard for Giddey to come back and do more of that year-end stuff!

Fox: 2023: 21.8 PER. 2024: 20.1 PER. 2025: 19 PER (SAC). 16.8 PER (SA)

Its not a massive drop off until he hits the Spurs, but i think he is past his peak.

Excellent post, despite it being a controversial take. Fox is considerably more athletic, and better at both ends when he's healthy. But the injury issues have brought him down to this level. If he can heal up, he can return to Franchise player level. Obviously, that's a big IF, but should be factored in.

I wouldn’t have paid him that much.

I think the injuries will come not get worse or stay the same and make much more like a 25M per player than 57M per.

[MGB8]

Giddeys not getting 30M. His agents need to get real. If it was warranted, another team wouldve gotten involved in S&T talks, Take a short term, higher $ offer like 2/50 or 3/75, hit FA in a few years and get more $ if its earned.

Kudos to our FO for not caving. Just cause Toronto f’ed up with the Quickley extension doesn’t mean its the going rate for everyone.

Not to mention, Giddey has pretty limited marketability as his brand is still recovering from the underage stuff. Time heals (almost) all, but still too soon.

We’ll see where it lands but its kinda embarrassing for Giddey’s representation at this point.

Exactly, an interested team would have made a s&t offer within the first week of FA after seeing him not signing. I highly doubt anyone else is interested to not only pay him 30M but to also have the Bulls agree on a trade. It’s too much for Giddey.

He’s got to make a decision, if he feels he’s getting robbed then by all means take that QO and get that 30 mil next year. If not then the asking price needs to drop.

I don’t understand why this is dragging so much. No other team will all of a sudden make him an offer so he’s limited with those 2 options since the Bulls have leverage.

You don't know that another team won't come forward...I think there was noise about Utah, as an example. Again, whatever deal the Bulls have on the table isn't getting pulled or reduced. Say what you want about AK being dumb (which I believe), but even he isn't that dumb. So if I'm Giddey's agent sitting on essentially a free option, why give it away now. There will be a point when the situation will get riskier, but honestly, that won't happen until the start of the regular season. Giddey doesn't really need camp or the preseason.

With the Niang trade, there is basically zero chance Utah would be making a high bid. Brooklyn doesn’t have space either (8 M under the cap). Nor Washington. No one is coming. Might as well wrap it up.

[Jcool0]

Yeah I would. I'd be more willing to give Fox credit for his prior years of better performance before I would give Giddey credit for his 1/3 season of better performance in my decision. But don't get me wrong, I'm rooting hard for Giddey to come back and do more of that year-end stuff!

Fox: 2023: 21.8 PER. 2024: 20.1 PER. 2025: 19 PER (SAC). 16.8 PER (SA)

Its not a massive drop off until he hits the Spurs, but i think he is past his peak.

Excellent post, despite it being a controversial take. Fox is considerably more athletic, and better at both ends when he's healthy. But the injury issues have brought him down to this level. If he can heal up, he can return to Franchise player level. Obviously, that's a big IF, but should be factored in.

Fox is probably close to 6'2" and in the 180slbs i don't see him recovering from the 82 game NBA season in his late 20s (500+ games).

[ShouldaPaidBG]

Excellent post, despite it being a controversial take. Fox is considerably more athletic, and better at both ends when he's healthy. But the injury issues have brought him down to this level. If he can heal up, he can return to Franchise player level. Obviously, that's a big IF, but should be factored in.

Lol wtf? He hurt his pinkie.

[Evil_Headband]

Fox: 2023: 21.8 PER. 2024: 20.1 PER. 2025: 19 PER (SAC). 16.8 PER (SA)

Its not a massive drop off until he hits the Spurs, but i think he is past his peak.

Excellent post, despite it being a controversial take. Fox is considerably more athletic, and better at both ends when he's healthy. But the injury issues have brought him down to this level. If he can heal up, he can return to Franchise player level. Obviously, that's a big IF, but should be factored in.

I wouldn’t have paid him that much.

I think the injuries will come not get worse or stay the same and make much more like a 25M per player than 57M per.

The risk to lose him in free agency is low. They should have let him expire. In a year, they will have a better idea how their young players are progressing and they could decide from there.

[Red8911]

Read on Twitter

[DuckIII]

Read on Twitter

That first tweet makes no sense. The Bulls will agree with Giddey on a 3 year deal . . . . 4 weeks from now?

I’m grateful to have never been on Twitter in my whole life. I assume the source of the tweet isn’t someone substantial?

[nomorezorro]

the source is brett siegel, who's a scoopster for "clutchpoints." he's a guy who reports a ton of rumors and a lot of them don't pan out, but some of them do, so i buy that he's generally plugged into "league circles" but isn't well sourced enough to be selective about what he reports (or legitimately break news)

based on the full writeup, it sounds like he's basically just relaying informed speculation among agents:

Josh Giddey and the Chicago Bulls are expected to reach a resolution on a new contract, likely in the three-year range, by the end of August. The Bulls could increase their offer, but they have stood firm on keeping a new deal in the $20 million AAV range. The latest speculation from agents not involved in negotiations suggests something in the $65 million to $70 million range.

[boozapalooza]

Read on Twitter

That first tweet makes no sense. The Bulls will agree with Giddey on a 3 year deal . . . . 4 weeks from now?

I’m grateful to have never been on Twitter in my whole life. I assume the source of the tweet isn’t someone substantial?

Makes sense to me. They will land in the 3 year 70-75M range. Less years than a 4-5 year commitment, land in a higher AAV than 20M, allow Giddey to hit FA again when hes just 25 years old.

25M the next 3 years is reasonable for both sides here.

Lets get it done and start building. I do think Giddey can continue blossoming running the show here. I don’t just base that off the 2nd half of last year, he showed he could be that guy in his first 2 years of OKC before his life fell apart. Guarantee we could not have traded Caruso for Giddey after year 2 - we bought low last year and the 2nd half only reinforced why we made that move.

[dougthonus]

I don’t understand why this is dragging so much. No other team will all of a sudden make him an offer so he’s limited with those 2 options since the Bulls have leverage.

My guess:

Both sides want each other.

Both sides seem about $5M apart from the number that is reasonable.

Both sides will ultimately accept the reasonable number ($25M AAV)

Neither side wants to be the first mover and risk looking weaker and desperate and then moving more than $5M off their number.

There is no time pressure for either side to do anything until Oct 1st when the deadline to accept the QO hits. Neither side is likely to come to the table before then.

[sco]

I don’t understand why this is dragging so much. No other team will all of a sudden make him an offer so he’s limited with those 2 options since the Bulls have leverage.

My guess:

Both sides want each other.

Both sides seem about $5M apart from the number that is reasonable.

Both sides will ultimately accept the reasonable number ($25M AAV)

Neither side wants to be the first mover and risk looking weaker and desperate and then moving more than $5M off their number.

There is no time pressure for either side to do anything until Oct 1st when the deadline to accept the QO hits. Neither side is likely to come to the table before then.

This — 100%!

So Doug, 3/$75M, are you supportive of that deal?

[dougthonus]

I don’t understand why this is dragging so much. No other team will all of a sudden make him an offer so he’s limited with those 2 options since the Bulls have leverage.

My guess:

Both sides want each other.

Both sides seem about $5M apart from the number that is reasonable.

Both sides will ultimately accept the reasonable number ($25M AAV)

Neither side wants to be the first mover and risk looking weaker and desperate and then moving more than $5M off their number.

There is no time pressure for either side to do anything until Oct 1st when the deadline to accept the QO hits. Neither side is likely to come to the table before then.

This — 100%!

So Doug, 3/$75M, are you supportive of that deal?

Generally at 3 years, I'm probably not going to be moved too much one way or the other. I care more about the AAV the longer the deal goes, but generally speaking I'd be content if I'm the Bulls at 25 AAV with any number of years.

[sco]

My guess:

Both sides want each other.

Both sides seem about $5M apart from the number that is reasonable.

Both sides will ultimately accept the reasonable number ($25M AAV)

Neither side wants to be the first mover and risk looking weaker and desperate and then moving more than $5M off their number.

There is no time pressure for either side to do anything until Oct 1st when the deadline to accept the QO hits. Neither side is likely to come to the table before then.

This — 100%!

So Doug, 3/$75M, are you supportive of that deal?

Generally at 3 years, I'm probably not going to be moved too much one way or the other. I care more about the AAV the longer the deal goes, but generally speaking I'd be content if I'm the Bulls at 25 AAV with any number of years.

I see the ultimate outcome with Giddey as very binary. He either becomes a version of "full-season Giddey" or "end-of-season Giddey"— and we should know which guy that is by 3 years. If he is the former, we could likely dump him as an expiring in 2 seasons, if the latter, we won't get a bargain for an extension, but I prefer that 10/10 times and pay for actual production than have a 50/50 shot of having a great player on a bargain 5 year deal.

Say he's great. When does he become extension eligible?

[waffle]

I think my original guess was 3/75.

I think that would work for both parties.

Getter done!

[WindyCityBorn]

I think my original guess was 3/75.

I think that would work for both parties.

Getter done!

Yeah seems like a good compromise. Giddey gets lifetime security now and gets back in on market at 25 if he truly is worth more. Bulls avoid a potential bad long term deal. They will gladly play him more if proves he is worth it on this shorter deal.