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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1441 » by dortmunder » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:23 pm

Trade tillman, cut walsh, sign Bassey
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1442 » by Hal14 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:24 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:The rim protection alone from Boucher is a big boost.

"big" boost seems like hyperbole. His BLK% has been declining each year for awhile now..was just 2.8 last year..decent but not much to write home about.

Niang is a more consistent shooter, better passer, better at handling the ball, creating off the bounce..is tougher, more physical..

Niang is the better offensive player, no doubt about that.

But it's about need.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.

You get nothing fron Niang when it comes to rim protection.

This about need and fit, not who the better player is.

Niang is a front court player. You're really reaching here.

Boucher doesn't provide much rim protection..his BLK % has been declining each year over the past few years, as I just said..only 2.8 BLK% last year is decent but not much to write home about. And he's only getting older so his BLK% and the rest of his numbers will likely keep going down.

You could easily argue that Niang fits better since he's a better, more consistent 3 pt shooter. And we shoot more 3's than any team in NBA history.

They're both decent 8th men in a rotation. This does nothing in terms of changing how many wins we'll get this season..all it does is save us some $..
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1443 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:24 pm

Niang is a better player than Boucher, but I think Boucher might be a bit better fit. Not as much of a spacer but he can play the PF spot and give you some secondary rim protection to compensate for our C problems in ways Niang can't and it's not like he's a TOTAL zero as a shooter either. Can also play the 5 himself in smaller lineups if the depth chart there is just total garbage. And then of course it saves over over $45M in tax and salary that hopefully ownership pockets away to use in future years where Tatum is playing.

I'm totally cool with bottoming the budget out this year if it means more money to invest in teams for years we actually have a shot.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1444 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:26 pm

jmr07019 wrote:Does trading Hauser get us under the lux tax? Keeping Simons over Hauser is a no brainer

No.

Cs need to get below 187.9m for the Cs to avoid being a repeater.

Right now the Cs are under the 2nd apron, but still over the 1st apron.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1445 » by 165bows » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:26 pm

Gant wrote:Now they have to make another trade. Niang could imitate a power forward. They don't have one 4 on the roster other than Tillman who was nonfunctional last season.

Nah they are tanking.
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Post#1446 » by 165bows » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:29 pm

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tbceltics34 wrote:
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Now that's a surprise!

This has been pre-destined for a year or two for sure.

Just can't believe he's not being paired with Niang and that we are being deprived of the Boucher-Niang front court.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1447 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:30 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:"big" boost seems like hyperbole. His BLK% has been declining each year for awhile now..was just 2.8 last year..decent but not much to write home about.

Niang is a more consistent shooter, better passer, better at handling the ball, creating off the bounce..is tougher, more physical..

Niang is the better offensive player, no doubt about that.

But it's about need.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.

You get nothing fron Niang when it comes to rim protection.

This about need and fit, not who the better player is.

Niang is a front court player. You're really reaching here.

Boucher doesn't provide much rim protection..his BLK % has been declining each year over the past few years, as I just said..only 2.8 BLK% last year is decent but not much to write home about. And he's only getting older so his BLK% and the rest of his numbers will likely keep going down.

You could easily argue that Niang fits better since he's a better, more consistent 3 pt shooter. And we shoot more 3's than any team in NBA history.

Gant posted an article about Boucher from the Raps media.

It's on the off-season thread.

That answers a lot of questions about what happened to Boucher last season.

Niang doesn't have Boucher's length.

That alone is a big difference.

No need to debate because it's already been done, Niang is gone and Boucher is a Celtic.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1448 » by 31to6 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:30 pm

Good moves today. Got possibly a bit better and got safely below the 2nd apron.
Next move: find a taker for Simons by the trade deadline -- or let him walk for nothing.
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Post#1449 » by 165bows » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:31 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:You're missing the point.

Boucher is an upgrade over Niang.

Cs needed frontcourt help and Brad just did that.


Yeah Boucher isn’t amazing but he’s also not the guy you sign if you’re bottoming out.

Bingo!

This is 5 more wins in the regular season.

Boucher is a proven NBA veteran player.

Last season Boucher was limited to 17 minutes per game because the Raps were auditioning the young players.

Boucher will be more productive with more playing time with the Cs.

Boucher in no way shape or form is a +5 win player, even as bad as the front court has been.

He just played in Toronto where they only won 30, he accounts for 20% of their win total?!? :lol:
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1450 » by ParticleMan » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:31 pm

i think we are a tillman away from being under the 1st apron. do we have enough 2RPs left to shuttle him off?
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Post#1451 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:31 pm

Bobby Marks run-down after the trade:
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1452 » by Hal14 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:31 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Niang is a better player than Boucher, but I think Boucher might be a bit better fit. Not as much of a spacer but he can play the PF spot and give you some secondary rim protection to compensate for our C problems in ways Niang can't and it's not like he's a TOTAL zero as a shooter either. Can also play the 5 himself in smaller lineups if the depth chart there is just total garbage. And then of course it saves over over $45M in tax and salary that hopefully ownership pockets away to use in future years where Tatum is playing.

I'm totally cool with bottoming the budget out this year if it means more money to invest in teams for years we actually have a shot.

Niang can play the PF spot too, though. That's the primary position for both of them. And they're both 32 years old.

Let's not overthink it. All that really matters with today's moves is the bold part.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1453 » by The Corey's » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:32 pm

Cut 12 mil and get under the tax completely.

Just do it. Thank me later.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1454 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:33 pm

ParticleMan wrote:i think we are a tillman away from being under the 1st apron. do we have enough 2RPs left to shuttle him off?

Celtics now can get below the tax if the right Simons and Tillman trade comes along. They are about $12 million away.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1455 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:34 pm

165bows wrote:
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chrisab123 wrote:
Yeah Boucher isn’t amazing but he’s also not the guy you sign if you’re bottoming out.

Bingo!

This is 5 more wins in the regular season.

Boucher is a proven NBA veteran player.

Last season Boucher was limited to 17 minutes per game because the Raps were auditioning the young players.

Boucher will be more productive with more playing time with the Cs.

Boucher in no way shape or form is a +5 win player, even as bad as the front court has been.

He just played in Toronto where they only won 30, he accounts for 20% of their win total?!? :lol:

Read Gant's post on the off-season thread.

Boucher was out of the rotation last season because the Raps were auditioning the young players.

That's why Boucher just averaged 17 minutes per game.

Boucher will at least get 27 minutes per game with the Cs.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1456 » by Homerclease » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:37 pm

Boucher and Niang both suck, Boucher is half the price. Here we are.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1457 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:37 pm

This is not rocket science.

If you're an opposing player driving in the lane, who do you think makes it more difficult to get a shot off, Niang or Boucher?
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Post#1458 » by 31to6 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:39 pm

The Corey's wrote:Cut 12 mil and get under the tax completely.

Just do it. Thank me later.


Why, though?
Owners said they had to get below the 2nd apron to avoid team-building penalties. Lost four rotation players to do so.
They haven't said they need to duck the tax, and all that does is saves them money. So I'm in no rush to root for them to make that the new goal.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1459 » by Fierce1 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:40 pm

31to6 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:Cut 12 mil and get under the tax completely.

Just do it. Thank me later.


Why, though?
Owners said they had to get below the 2nd apron to avoid team-building penalties. Lost four rotation players to do so.
They haven't said they need to duck the tax, and all that does is saves them money. So I'm in no rush to root for them to make that the new goal.

Bingo!
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1460 » by 31to6 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 9:41 pm

Fierce1 wrote:This is not rocket science.

If you're an opposing player driving in the lane, who do you think makes it more difficult to get a shot off, Niang or Boucher?


I know you're fixated on length here, but Niang weighs 20 more pounds, and I personally like trying to finish over twigs even if I get blocked some times:)
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