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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2141 » by Onus » Wed Aug 6, 2025 2:47 am

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Meaning you'd hope podz is back on a 4-5 year deal at 25/yr? I'm confident he will get that here but I have a hard time seeing how his play will warrant it

He’s already the best plus minus guy on our team. Hes a high level glue guy in his 2nd year. He’s worth that already.


+\-?

Not a big fan of that stat.

I feel like he is not a 1 or a 2 and that when defenders took him seriously in the playoffs they took his left hand away and didn’t fall for his deceleration thing.

I think 20-25 seems a bit rich

Podz was also hurt as a 2nd year player and helped win a game in the playoffs.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2142 » by Old_Blue » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:20 am

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2143 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:39 am

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whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:He’s already the best plus minus guy on our team. Hes a high level glue guy in his 2nd year. He’s worth that already.


+\-?

Not a big fan of that stat.

I feel like he is not a 1 or a 2 and that when defenders took him seriously in the playoffs they took his left hand away and didn’t fall for his deceleration thing.

I think 20-25 seems a bit rich

Podz was also hurt as a 2nd year player and helped win a game in the playoffs.


Next year, 15M will basically be the mle due to cap increases. I think podz will get 20M at the very least. He isnt a star, but he's a good role player.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2144 » by vvoland » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:41 am

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whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:He’s already the best plus minus guy on our team. Hes a high level glue guy in his 2nd year. He’s worth that already.


+\-?

Not a big fan of that stat.

I feel like he is not a 1 or a 2 and that when defenders took him seriously in the playoffs they took his left hand away and didn’t fall for his deceleration thing.

I think 20-25 seems a bit rich

Podz was also hurt as a 2nd year player and helped win a game in the playoffs.


20-25 for a guard version of naz Reid isn't terrible. Now, podz just needs to shoot like naz and we're good.

Based on his first two years, it's a good gamble but, personally, I don't think he's a starting guard and I'd rather not pay that money for my 6th man.

On the +/- bit, I think it's much more of a function of who he plays with. E.g JK played better with Steph/dray last year than podz did. Conversely, jk played 2/3 of his minutes without Steph while for podz it was the other way around.

Is that the only reason podz had a much better +/-? Absolutely not. It is a significant part of that stat? Also, yes
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2145 » by Onus » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:47 am

vvoland wrote:
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+\-?

Not a big fan of that stat.

I feel like he is not a 1 or a 2 and that when defenders took him seriously in the playoffs they took his left hand away and didn’t fall for his deceleration thing.

I think 20-25 seems a bit rich

Podz was also hurt as a 2nd year player and helped win a game in the playoffs.


20-25 for a guard version of naz Reid isn't terrible. Now, podz just needs to shoot like naz and we're good.

Based on his first two years, it's a good gamble but, personally, I don't think he's a starting guard and I'd rather not pay that money for my 6th man.

On the +/- bit, I think it's much more of a function of who he plays with. E.g JK played better with Steph/dray last year than podz did. Conversely, jk played 2/3 of his minutes without Steph while for podz it was the other way around.

Is that the only reason podz had a much better +/-? Absolutely not. It is a significant part of that stat? Also, yes

What is similar between naz and podz?
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2146 » by vvoland » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:02 am

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Onus wrote:Podz was also hurt as a 2nd year player and helped win a game in the playoffs.


20-25 for a guard version of naz Reid isn't terrible. Now, podz just needs to shoot like naz and we're good.

Based on his first two years, it's a good gamble but, personally, I don't think he's a starting guard and I'd rather not pay that money for my 6th man.

On the +/- bit, I think it's much more of a function of who he plays with. E.g JK played better with Steph/dray last year than podz did. Conversely, jk played 2/3 of his minutes without Steph while for podz it was the other way around.

Is that the only reason podz had a much better +/-? Absolutely not. It is a significant part of that stat? Also, yes

What is similar between naz and podz?


Offense heavy players that thrive in a bench role so well that they're paid like a good starter.

Both Naz and Podz have valuable skills for their position (shooting and rebounding, respectively) while missing key elements usually found in those roles (rebounding/defense and shooting/offense). I like both and they are both good fits here but I'd think twice about paying 25m (which will be 30+ in a few years when podz is up) for either. I'm rooting for you to be right about podz but with his struggles to score, especially inside, be can be a liability.

Teams started sitting on the decel and he couldn't counter. Maybe that was the injury and we'll have two more years to see what he can develop on that end. his second season was a regression, I thought, but just like with jk, mm, and Wiseman, I see real reasons for that regression (many broken noses, multiple trades/lineup changes, late season injury, etc.). Let's hope the sophomore slump turns into the junior jump.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2147 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:07 am

Lol, kuminga posting pictures of sacramento on his Instagram with "walking on a dream" as the background music.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2148 » by Onus » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:10 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Lol, kuminga posting pictures of sacramento on his Instagram with "walking on a dream" as the background music.

At least he knows it’s a dream. It’s not even particularly a good situation for him, which makes his dream even funnier.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2149 » by BayAreaDub » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:22 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Lol, kuminga posting pictures of sacramento on his Instagram with "walking on a dream" as the background music.


All I see is his story where is biking on some bridge in Miami. Not Sac. With that song playing.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2150 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:28 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:Lol, kuminga posting pictures of sacramento on his Instagram with "walking on a dream" as the background music.


All I see is his story where is biking on some bridge in Miami. Not Sac. With that song playing.


Saw it on a kings board, figured they knew Sacramento better than me. Maybe Theo ate wing is your are sure that it's Miami.

Rozier for kuminga trade incoming? :D
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2151 » by AirP. » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:43 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Lol, kuminga posting pictures of sacramento on his Instagram with "walking on a dream" as the background music.

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2152 » by BayAreaDub » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:46 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:Lol, kuminga posting pictures of sacramento on his Instagram with "walking on a dream" as the background music.


All I see is his story where is biking on some bridge in Miami. Not Sac. With that song playing.


Saw it on a kings board, figured they knew Sacramento better than me. Maybe Theo ate wing is your are sure that it's Miami.

Rozier for kuminga trade incoming? :D


It’s for sure the view of the skyline from Biscayne Bay in Miami.

Very interesting. Please no Rozier though haha
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2153 » by BayAreaDub » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:48 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:Lol, kuminga posting pictures of sacramento on his Instagram with "walking on a dream" as the background music.

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Wrong that’s Miami!

Wiggins back? Norman Powell? Three team trade?

Or the most likely:

Kuminga on vacation :lol:
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2154 » by whatisacenter » Wed Aug 6, 2025 4:49 am

Onus wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:He’s already the best plus minus guy on our team. Hes a high level glue guy in his 2nd year. He’s worth that already.


+\-?

Not a big fan of that stat.

I feel like he is not a 1 or a 2 and that when defenders took him seriously in the playoffs they took his left hand away and didn’t fall for his deceleration thing.

I think 20-25 seems a bit rich

Podz was also hurt as a 2nd year player and helped win a game in the playoffs.


There are several players in the $11-18M range that I would choose over Podz but you might be right.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2155 » by DAWill1128 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 5:18 am

Miami has an interesting mix of young players I would entertain in a Kuminga deal.

Of course if Miami really wants Kuminga we can always agree to a handshake deal of Kuminga for Wiggins when that becomes eligible.

I would take Wiggins back, put him and Horford into the starting lineup and its probably the best defense in the NBA. Wiggins is solid as a 3rd option and if Buddy is used as a streaky 4th option gunner you have a shot out west.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2156 » by statsman » Wed Aug 6, 2025 5:49 am

BayAreaDub wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Lol, kuminga posting pictures of sacramento on his Instagram with "walking on a dream" as the background music.

Spoiler:
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Wrong that’s Miami!

Wiggins back? Norman Powell? Three team trade?

Or the most likely:

Kuminga on vacation :lol:

There have been indications in the past that the Heat were interested in DeRozan. I'm not sure that's still the case.

Wiggins coming to the Warriors is unlikely. Wiggins' salary added to the team would push the Warriors right to the 2nd apron, and that's just with vet minimums for the remainder of the open roster spots (no TPMLE for Horford). They would be back to needing to jettison Hield or Moody.

Or maybe Kuminga has taken in too much of the Miami sun, or this is his idiot agent's idea of psychological teasing by social media.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2157 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Aug 6, 2025 6:20 am

statsman wrote:
BayAreaDub wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter

Wrong that’s Miami!

Wiggins back? Norman Powell? Three team trade?

Or the most likely:

Kuminga on vacation :lol:

There have been indications in the past that the Heat were interested in DeRozan. I'm not sure that's still the case.

Wiggins coming to the Warriors is unlikely. Wiggins' salary added to the team would push the Warriors right to the 2nd apron, and that's just with vet minimums for the remainder of the open roster spots (no TPMLE for Horford). They would be back to needing to jettison Hield or Moody.

Or maybe Kuminga has taken in too much of the Miami sun, or this is his idiot agent's idea of psychological teasing by social media.


Shouldn't be a problem if it's a deadline deal.

If he is in Miami now? It's probably him and his agent trying to drum up interest from any team willing to take a meeting.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#2158 » by AirP. » Wed Aug 6, 2025 1:54 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
statsman wrote:
BayAreaDub wrote:Wrong that’s Miami!

Wiggins back? Norman Powell? Three team trade?

Or the most likely:

Kuminga on vacation :lol:

There have been indications in the past that the Heat were interested in DeRozan. I'm not sure that's still the case.

Wiggins coming to the Warriors is unlikely. Wiggins' salary added to the team would push the Warriors right to the 2nd apron, and that's just with vet minimums for the remainder of the open roster spots (no TPMLE for Horford). They would be back to needing to jettison Hield or Moody.

Or maybe Kuminga has taken in too much of the Miami sun, or this is his idiot agent's idea of psychological teasing by social media.


Shouldn't be a problem if it's a deadline deal.

If he is in Miami now? It's probably him and his agent trying to drum up interest from any team willing to take a meeting.

Doesn't Kuminga (like a lot of NBA players) workout in Miami during the offseason?
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Post#2159 » by EvanZ » Wed Aug 6, 2025 2:12 pm

Never has so much ink been spilled on a less consequential NBA player than Kuminga.
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Post#2160 » by Onus » Wed Aug 6, 2025 2:24 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:
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+\-?

Not a big fan of that stat.

I feel like he is not a 1 or a 2 and that when defenders took him seriously in the playoffs they took his left hand away and didn’t fall for his deceleration thing.

I think 20-25 seems a bit rich

Podz was also hurt as a 2nd year player and helped win a game in the playoffs.


There are several players in the $11-18M range that I would choose over Podz but you might be right.

If Podz can become a more willing shooter and is able to maintain his percentages he's going to get paid. He was taking about 7 per game at the end of the season. If he can get that up to 8-10 like the warriors want him to he's going to get paid. Duncan Robinson just got 16M a year in a suppressed market and Podz does a ton more on the court.
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