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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1561 » by Shak_Celts » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:48 am

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Fierce1 wrote:Joe has been trying to implement a faster pace.

I believe this Cs team will surprise many if the chemistry is good.


We were 29th in pace last year. He ain't been trying too hard. But he better this year. This team is being crafted in Jaylen Brown's image, make no mistake. So it better not be about shooting 50 3's in a game and about getting downhill and getting to the rim early and often.

I saw Joe egging on DWhite to push the ball in the Knicks series.

The Cs just didn't have players who love to run.

With the moves Brad made this summer, I think we'll see more running and jumping from the Cs.

Joe gave the speed up signal 1k times last season, the players rarely responded.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1562 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Aug 6, 2025 3:54 am

Stevens not doing JB any favors with the supporting cast he surrounded him with. Gimpy JT, Boucher, Hugsie, etc?!

Can’t wait for all the “the Celtics will surprise a lot of people” articles during training camp.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1563 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 5:42 am

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Fierce1 wrote:This will depend on how JB plays as the #1 option.

If JB plays well, 45-50 wins is possible.

Jaylen Brown will be the #1 option with no Tatum, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis, Kornet, Niang. Who do you think Jaylen Brown is? Larry Bird!

The eastern conference is bad.

45 wins is very doable.
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Post#1564 » by colincb » Wed Aug 6, 2025 6:12 am

Boucher's career PER, rebounds per 36, ORating, and Net Rating are significantly better than Niang's. His defensive stats are better, too.

Boucher's not just cheaper, but is a better player and a better fit. He's a plus player, unlike Niang (or Simons).
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Post#1565 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Aug 6, 2025 6:54 am

With Horford likely gone, it’s time for X Tillman to fulfill his destiny — to be the elder statesman of the Celtics in every sense of the phrase.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1566 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 7:23 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:This will depend on how JB plays as the #1 option.

If JB plays well, 45-50 wins is possible.

Jaylen Brown will be the #1 option with no Tatum, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis, Kornet, Niang. Who do you think Jaylen Brown is? Larry Bird!

Is Cade Cunningham Larry Bird ? Because the Pistons won 44 games last year and the only other players on their roster to play 1500+ minutes were Malik Beasley, Tobias Harris, Jalen Duren and Tim Hardaway. The East projects to be even worse this year. You can win a lot of games just from effort in the regular season.
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Post#1567 » by cl2117 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 8:46 am

Love the trade/signing.

It's a vet minimum deal for Boucher that serves as an audition for 2026/27. He's not going to impact wins/losses this year in a meaningful way and if I'm wrong about that then we've likely found a rotation piece for the bounce back year. Same could have been said about Niang but Boucher saves us a ton of money as well. Plus we get a TPE out of this.

Since it's two weak 2nds, I'm not really mad at the price. Better of Boston/Orlando 2027 and Boston/Cleveland 2031, neither likely to be in the top half of the 2nd round.

RJ Luis is a throw in to make it feel like we've not just paid a pair of 2nds to dump $9m in salary. That being said, he's the same level of talent as Amari or Max, so while I know it's not true I think I can eventually convince myself that he's part of the value exchange. I like the profile anyway, versatile defender who will be decent if he ever develops a jump shot. I'd buy that kind of scratch ticket from time to time.

The plan is still definitely to move Simons for even more savings, but I think we are stuck in a holding pattern until other dominoes fall. Best course of action is to showcase him as much as possible and hope a team buys into it. I know the Blazers had been trying to move him for ages, but I assume that was for at least some value. If we're looking just for expirings and savings, I think we might eventually have a buyer possibly even recouping some of the 2nds we've moved.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1568 » by jmr07019 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 10:24 am

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I'm a broken record about this this summer, but want to make sure everyone remembers that luxury tax penalties are purely financial, and not tied up with draft picks and trade restrictions, like the aprons. So if the goal becomes getting under the luxury tax (especially for the next two seasons), then the goal is just for the new owners to save $$, likely at the expense of competitiveness in 2026-27 and beyond.

It's for the owners to save $ now (during a season we're punting) so they can use that money they save to spend more $ on improving the team in 26-27 and beyond when Tatum is back healthy and we're actually trying to win titles again.


I understand that, but it can sometimes be hard to find ways to spend that money when you (like the rest of the league) are over the cap. The way to duck the tax is to let Simons expire. I won't be surprised or that mad if they do it. But then the salary slot that was Smart then Jrue then Simons is gone and you can't sign a starting-level player in its place. You're at JT, JB, DW, PP, SH, and the flotsam/jetsam crew going forward. (Then, likely, IF you've been fortunate enough that JT has recovered to be a star again, the reasonable thing to try to do is trade JB for two rotation players -- one star-adjacent -- but aprons might interfere with that)


Great post. If Celtics trade Simons for a smaller salaried player and a TPE they will be limited in the ways they can add salary back onto the roster. Options would be:

- use the Porzingis tpe to add salary.
- MLE signing
- JB or white trade
- trading Pritchard (6), Hauser (10) and whoever they get for Simons (10-15) for a better more expensive player. That gives you 25-30 million in outgoing salary and you could take back 125% of what you send out.

Option 1 has an expiration date, options 3 and 4 open up more holes.

The best outcome by far is the Celtics being able to turn Simons into a legitimate starting caliber player and resigning him.

Champions generally have a high pay roll. OKC was an exception this year and it’s only a matter of time until their roster is expensive.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1569 » by cl2117 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 11:34 am

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Hal14 wrote:It's for the owners to save $ now (during a season we're punting) so they can use that money they save to spend more $ on improving the team in 26-27 and beyond when Tatum is back healthy and we're actually trying to win titles again.


I understand that, but it can sometimes be hard to find ways to spend that money when you (like the rest of the league) are over the cap. The way to duck the tax is to let Simons expire. I won't be surprised or that mad if they do it. But then the salary slot that was Smart then Jrue then Simons is gone and you can't sign a starting-level player in its place. You're at JT, JB, DW, PP, SH, and the flotsam/jetsam crew going forward. (Then, likely, IF you've been fortunate enough that JT has recovered to be a star again, the reasonable thing to try to do is trade JB for two rotation players -- one star-adjacent -- but aprons might interfere with that)


Great post. If Celtics trade Simons for a smaller salaried player and a TPE they will be limited in the ways they can add salary back onto the roster. Options would be:

- use the Porzingis tpe to add salary.
- MLE signing
- JB or white trade
- trading Pritchard (6), Hauser (10) and whoever they get for Simons (10-15) for a better more expensive player. That gives you 25-30 million in outgoing salary and you could take back 125% of what you send out.

Option 1 has an expiration date, options 3 and 4 open up more holes.

The best outcome by far is the Celtics being able to turn Simons into a legitimate starting caliber player and resigning him.

Champions generally have a high pay roll. OKC was an exception this year and it’s only a matter of time until their roster is expensive.

Losing salary slots has always been a concern for me. Being able to aggregate again and take back more than you send out plus TPEs and exceptions are all great avenues but to your point we might still fall short of being able to match for difference makers.

Nonetheless I think ownership push Brad to get below the line to leave getting out of repeater territory as a possibility next season. If, god forbid, Tatum has a setback or we get devastated by a rash of different injuries that set us up for another lame duck year, they'd have the option of keeping costs low and taking advantage of that aspect of a really bad situation.

Where I disagree with you is that the best option is for us to turn Simons into a legitimate player and re-signing him. I think he's fool's gold and ultimately if he plays well enough to earn a second contract with us we're going to be playing a high risk / medium reward game of trying to figure out how much he's worth in a world where the bottom is falling out of guys with his archetype. I

Ideal scenario would be to flip Simons and assets for the next iteration of Derrick White. A guy a level or two above Simons, locked in on a reasonable deal and ready for when Tatum is back. That doesn't seem likely.

Next best option, in my opinion, is to pivot to dumping Simons and creating enough space to get below the tax line but also to create opportunities to take some chances on some 2nd draft/reclamation project type players. Unlikely to pan out but a lot of these guys would be a free spin of the wheel (Minott is a great example).
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Post#1570 » by celtxman » Wed Aug 6, 2025 11:58 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Stevens not doing JB any favors with the supporting cast he surrounded him with. Gimpy JT, Boucher, Hugsie, etc?!

Can’t wait for all the “the Celtics will surprise a lot of people” articles during training camp.
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Post#1571 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Aug 6, 2025 12:05 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:I never said it's a guarantee Simons will be traded.

What I said was the right time to trade him is during the season, not before the season.

I believe Simons is the dynamic scoring guard the Cs need.

But because of financial reasons, it's also possible the Cs have to trade him.


I don't mean to throw it all at your doorstep Fierce. I just keep seeing this narrative and I can't seem to make it make sense in my head. It seems to me that the later you try to move him, the lesser likely it becomes for the reasons djFan laid out. I have echoed those same thoughts myself. Other teams have to want to trade with us in order to make it work and I'm trying to put myself into the mind of a GM of another team and consider what the circumstances would have to be to want to acquire Simons at the deadline over other less expensive, less risky options.

Maybe that's because I want to keep Simons for the whole season.

I truly believe he gives the Cs something that's been missing since Kyrie left.

If Simons ends up playing for the Cs on opening night, the chances of him getting traded gets slimmer.

And if he plays really well, there will be no Simons trade.


Only way Simons gets traded if the Cs suck.

That is of course if Simons makes it to opening night.


Then you and I are on the same page then because I've made very similar comments recently about Simons as well. Especially the part about how dynamic a lead guard as we've had in a while capable of breaking down a defense without always needing a pick.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26 

Post#1572 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 12:28 pm

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I don't mean to throw it all at your doorstep Fierce. I just keep seeing this narrative and I can't seem to make it make sense in my head. It seems to me that the later you try to move him, the lesser likely it becomes for the reasons djFan laid out. I have echoed those same thoughts myself. Other teams have to want to trade with us in order to make it work and I'm trying to put myself into the mind of a GM of another team and consider what the circumstances would have to be to want to acquire Simons at the deadline over other less expensive, less risky options.

Maybe that's because I want to keep Simons for the whole season.

I truly believe he gives the Cs something that's been missing since Kyrie left.

If Simons ends up playing for the Cs on opening night, the chances of him getting traded gets slimmer.

And if he plays really well, there will be no Simons trade.


Only way Simons gets traded if the Cs suck.

That is of course if Simons makes it to opening night.


Then you and I are on the same page then because I've made very similar comments recently about Simons as well. Especially the part about how dynamic a lead guard as we've had in a while capable of breaking down a defense without always needing a pick.

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Post#1573 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Aug 6, 2025 12:53 pm

Everyone keeps talking offense, offense, offense and completely ignores the Celtics unit of Pritchard, White, Brown, Hauser, Simons, Scheierman, Boucher, Queta, Garza etc. is going to be the worst defensive team the Celtics have had in a decade. 38 wins if everyone stays healthy.
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Post#1574 » by jmr07019 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 1:01 pm

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I understand that, but it can sometimes be hard to find ways to spend that money when you (like the rest of the league) are over the cap. The way to duck the tax is to let Simons expire. I won't be surprised or that mad if they do it. But then the salary slot that was Smart then Jrue then Simons is gone and you can't sign a starting-level player in its place. You're at JT, JB, DW, PP, SH, and the flotsam/jetsam crew going forward. (Then, likely, IF you've been fortunate enough that JT has recovered to be a star again, the reasonable thing to try to do is trade JB for two rotation players -- one star-adjacent -- but aprons might interfere with that)


Great post. If Celtics trade Simons for a smaller salaried player and a TPE they will be limited in the ways they can add salary back onto the roster. Options would be:

- use the Porzingis tpe to add salary.
- MLE signing
- JB or white trade
- trading Pritchard (6), Hauser (10) and whoever they get for Simons (10-15) for a better more expensive player. That gives you 25-30 million in outgoing salary and you could take back 125% of what you send out.

Option 1 has an expiration date, options 3 and 4 open up more holes.

The best outcome by far is the Celtics being able to turn Simons into a legitimate starting caliber player and resigning him.

Champions generally have a high pay roll. OKC was an exception this year and it’s only a matter of time until their roster is expensive.

Losing salary slots has always been a concern for me. Being able to aggregate again and take back more than you send out plus TPEs and exceptions are all great avenues but to your point we might still fall short of being able to match for difference makers.

Nonetheless I think ownership push Brad to get below the line to leave getting out of repeater territory as a possibility next season. If, god forbid, Tatum has a setback or we get devastated by a rash of different injuries that set us up for another lame duck year, they'd have the option of keeping costs low and taking advantage of that aspect of a really bad situation.

Where I disagree with you is that the best option is for us to turn Simons into a legitimate player and re-signing him. I think he's fool's gold and ultimately if he plays well enough to earn a second contract with us we're going to be playing a high risk / medium reward game of trying to figure out how much he's worth in a world where the bottom is falling out of guys with his archetype. I

Ideal scenario would be to flip Simons and assets for the next iteration of Derrick White. A guy a level or two above Simons, locked in on a reasonable deal and ready for when Tatum is back. That doesn't seem likely.

Next best option, in my opinion, is to pivot to dumping Simons and creating enough space to get below the tax line but also to create opportunities to take some chances on some 2nd draft/reclamation project type players. Unlikely to pan out but a lot of these guys would be a free spin of the wheel (Minott is a great example).


I don’t think lotto tickets on guys like Garza and Minott is gonna cut it. I am interested in guys who are finishing their rookie contracts yet aren’t likely to get a second deal from their team. I remember Aaron Gordon finishing up his rookie contract in Orlando and a lot of people saying he wasn’t a winning player. Worked out pretty well for Denver.

These are for sure high risk moves. You likely have to give up at least one first round pick and then you have to pay the guy. At least with Simons we didn’t need to give up picks to obtain him and we get to see him play in Boston before committing to him long term.

Kuminga fits the bill of a guy who is coming to the end of his rookie deal and could be obtained. I don’t think he’s the right guy though. For one, he didn’t fit on a winning team. I can understand a player not being able to lift a franchise out of lotto / loser culture. Not fitting into an established winning culture is a much bigger red flag to me. Secondly is the fit. I’d prefer to upgrade the front court and a Kuminga trade will leave the Celtics with extremely limited assets to upgrade the front court.
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Post#1575 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 1:16 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Everyone keeps talking offense, offense, offense and completely ignores the Celtics unit of Pritchard, White, Brown, Hauser, Simons, Scheierman, Boucher, Queta, Garza etc. is going to be the worst defensive team the Celtics have had in a decade. 38 wins if everyone stays healthy.

Pacers were never a defensive team last season and they made it to the Finals.

They ended up with 50 wins even if they're giving up 115 ppg last season.
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Post#1576 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 1:19 pm

Who do you think wins if it's a team of 5 Ben Simmons vs. a team of 5 Anfernee Simons?
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Post#1577 » by brackdan70 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 1:31 pm

colincb wrote:Boucher's career PER, rebounds per 36, ORating, and Net Rating are significantly better than Niang's. His defensive stats are better, too.

Boucher's not just cheaper, but is a better player and a better fit. He's a plus player, unlike Niang (or Simons).

Yeah he is good. A guy you want in the rotation. I hope they can keep him around for when Tatum is back.
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Post#1578 » by Fierce1 » Wed Aug 6, 2025 1:51 pm

Celtics top 5 in defense last season but exited in the 2nd rnd because they couldn't generate enough offense in the clutch in Games 1 and 2 against NY.

Cs need a guy like Simons.
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Post#1579 » by 165bows » Wed Aug 6, 2025 1:52 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Everyone keeps talking offense, offense, offense and completely ignores the Celtics unit of Pritchard, White, Brown, Hauser, Simons, Scheierman, Boucher, Queta, Garza etc. is going to be the worst defensive team the Celtics have had in a decade. 38 wins if everyone stays healthy.

Pacers were never a defensive team last season and they made it to the Finals.

They ended up with 50 wins even if they're giving up 115 ppg last season.

50 wins is not that many and overwhelmingly frequently not a title contender
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Post#1580 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Aug 6, 2025 1:54 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Who do you think wins if it's a team of 5 Ben Simmons vs. a team of 5 Anfernee Simons?

Definitely not NBA fans.

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