Trades and Transactions 2025 V

[Guano]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

[mpharris36]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

I mean we are talking about a minimum contract though.

[cgmw]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

I mean we are talking about a minimum contract through.

I’m not sure the salary matters. Without him, we’re talking about a championship run based on chemistry. If he’s a malcontent or if his weird game throws anyone else off, the risk far outweighs the reward IMO.

Let me put it this way—is there any scenario whatsoever where Ben Simmons is the difference maker that gets us over the top to win a ‘chip? Because there are hundreds of reasonably foreseeable ways he could be the reason we don’t.

[mpharris36]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

I mean we are talking about a minimum contract through.

I’m not sure the salary matters. Without him, we’re talking about a championship run based on chemistry. If he’s a malcontent or if his weird game throws anyone else off, the risk far outweighs the reward IMO.

Let me put it this way—is there any scenario whatsoever where Ben Simmons is the difference maker that gets us over the top to win a ‘chip? Because there are hundreds of reasonably foreseeable ways he could be the reason we don’t.

Oh I get it...but that is where you have to trust the FO and coach and players. If they don't think he will be a distraction then I don't see how its risky.

If they don't think he will buy in then they shouldn't be going after him at all.

If your just think hey lets get chemistry with the last remaining vet min slot sure just go Shamet or something.

But if you lose OG or Hart or Mikal for any length of time during the regular season Shamet really isn't going to help you with wing depth.

[Guano]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

I mean we are talking about a minimum contract through.

I’m not sure the salary matters. Without him, we’re talking about a championship run based on chemistry. If he’s a malcontent or if his weird game throws anyone else off, the risk far outweighs the reward IMO.

Let me put it this way—is there any scenario whatsoever where Ben Simmons is the difference maker that gets us over the top to win a ‘chip? Because there are hundreds of reasonably foreseeable ways he could be the reason we don’t.

Role players can win games and its fun to imagine him playing the 5 in a defensive lineup. But he seems to have bad vibes and the confidence of an awkward preteen on the offensive end.

[god shammgod]

he's just a guy who's gonna eat up some minutes in the regular season. better him than westbrook.

by the way, that is what ben simmons would play like with confidence. it's not like he's secretly a good shooter and has been holding it back lol

[cgmw]

I mean we are talking about a minimum contract through.

I’m not sure the salary matters. Without him, we’re talking about a championship run based on chemistry. If he’s a malcontent or if his weird game throws anyone else off, the risk far outweighs the reward IMO.

Let me put it this way—is there any scenario whatsoever where Ben Simmons is the difference maker that gets us over the top to win a ‘chip? Because there are hundreds of reasonably foreseeable ways he could be the reason we don’t.

Oh I get it...but that is where you have to trust the FO and coach and players. If they don't think he will be a distraction then I don't see how its risky.

If they don't think he will buy in then they shouldn't be going after him at all.

If your just think hey lets get chemistry with the last remaining vet min slot sure just go Shamet or something.

But if you lose OG or Hart or Mikal for any length of time during the regular season Shamet really isn't going to help you with wing depth.

I’m no huge fan of Shamet but I believe you just enunciated exactly the one place he does help. If Wingstop goes down, Hart would be plugged into the starting lineup and Shamet would be part of a 3 guard attack off the bench.

Also, Shamet literally just proved exactly the playoff performance/confidence that Simmons has failed at for a decade. In hindsight, is there anyone who’d rather have had Simmons last playoffs than Shamet?

[TheGreenArrow]

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[WaltFrazier]

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Wow very interesting titbit here folksssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So he won't be traded anytime soon

[WaltFrazier]

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[MrDollarBills]

Ben can fill the Precious role but with more offensive versatility, in his unusual way

I think he’s coming to play a significant role unfortunately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike brown has wanted ben for awhile now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dating back to his 1st year in sactown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd rather bring back Precious.

I will vomit if he signs

[MrDollarBills]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

Is his defense even elite anymore?

[JayTWill]

Ben would be decent as a backup C, but he still views himself as a PG. Also, playing him with Hart is basically impossible, they do the same things on offense, with Hart at least looking to shoot. But, from a floor balance standpoint they both want to hang out in the dunkers spot. He actually makes some sense next to KAT in some lineups, but his lack of offense and complete desire not to score is why he's almost out the league.


If you can get him on the minimum, then yeah, it's worth the risk as there's not much else out there. He makes sense in the way that Clarkson is not trying to pass, but he and Hart are water and oil.

He would basically be the 10th man in the rotation which I see as a off/on guy. Not locked into minutes every night at the vet min. I don't know if he would sign up for that but thats basically his role. Being able to sub him in late in qtrs and games for defense would be a nice weapon since he's one of the few players that legit can guard 1-5 in the league. And in the non hart minutes you probably play him alongside KAT for a few minutes a night and make it work.

But you really can't play him alongside another non shooter or the spacing gets messed up.

I don't think he'd be a tenth man, at the end of the day he has size and defensive versatility so he'd absolutely play.

He's broken mentally, the guy still has the tools to be a really good backup center but he just refuses to accept that he is in fact a center. He could run offense from the top of the key like Ihart, but he also refuses to put pressure on the rim and passes in floater range because he doesn't want to get fouled and go to the line.

He's one of the most confusing players I've ever seen.

Simmons is a flawed player but the narrative is getting a little out of control imo. I don't know if we can say he is unwilling to play center after he accepted a buyout from the Nets and took the "backup center" role on the Clippers on a team with Harden taking the point guard role most of the game.

He is up there with traditional centers in "screen assists" per 36. He actually averaged more shots taken outside of 5 feet away from the rim last year than iHart did in his last year with the Knicks. iHart's fta per 100 ticked up in year 2 with the Knicks but year 1 was similar to Simmon's Brooklyn numbers. No one was ultra concerned about having Hart and iHart on the same roster and they were surrounded with much worse shooters.

I don't know if Ben is a center or a point guard or something else. Personally I wouldn't want a guy with back issues banging with bigs all the time and we have other guys to do that.

Yes, he does bring the ball up the court like a point guard and initiate the offense something the team could use at times to take some pressure off of Brunson but he also sets screens, executes dribble hand-offs, passes out of the high and mid post, passes out of the short roll etc. I don't know why he couldn't fill in as a passing hub like iHart especially surrounded by the talent the Knicks have. He is clearly a willing and able passer from many spots on the court.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022400240&PlayerID=1627732&RangeType=0&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612751&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game

I'm more concerned with his ability to defend at a high level and finish around the rim with his decreased athleticism after the injuries

https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022400240&PlayerID=1627732&RangeType=0&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612751&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game


The Knicks have a ton of talent with guys that can score and shoot but they lack guys that can find them. Simmons skillset seems like it would be useful in a certain role.

[Guano]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

Is his defense even elite anymore?

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[GONYK]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

Is his defense even elite anymore?

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[thebuzzardman]

Mitch
Simmons
OG
Bridges
Deuce

Let’s go!!!!!

[Guano]

Is his defense even elite anymore?

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sign him

[8516knicks]

Ben Simmons in theory would be a solid addition to the team. Hell its hard not to romance the idea of him gaining 'confidence' in his offensive game and being a legit asset. Then the reality sets in its ben Simmons and the dream dies. Id honestly rather pass on him. Sure the defensive ability is elite but all the other issues that have been pointed out make the risk/reward not worth it.

I mean we are talking about a minimum contract though.

But we're also talking about Ben Simmons.

[8516knicks]

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I hear Ali-gator Alcatraz needs Guards. Just sayin'

[Wildcat]

I think the idea is he’d play Point Guard on offense and Center on defense:

Yabu
Hart
Simmons
Deuce
Clarkson

As I wrote last week, IMO the juice isn’t worth the squeeze even at the vet min because of what a total tool bag he is as a human being vs how cohesive the chemistry is on this potential championship team. Specifically, I’d be worried about his effect on Mitch, who seems to have a very malleable personality.

But wtf do I know. I once predicted Bobby Bonilla would never win a World Series for similar reasons and I was wrong. Maybe we can win a ‘chip with Ben f*cking Simmons on the roster?

Seems like everything we have read points to Ariel getting minutes. That lineup seems small and weak.

I mean, Thibs just played 82 games with Hart at PF. I’m trying to figure out the interest in Ben and all signs point to the versatile fit with our 2nd unit. Weak, sure. But they’d run the other team out of the gym.

But we also see Hart at PF wasn't working. Looked a hell a lot better the prior season.