Top 10 QB's

[JujitsuFlip]

Jackson scoring a gazillion TDs while throwing no INTs isn't the issue either.

So what is the problem with the Ravens then? It's probably players and coaches who are not named Lamar Jackson.

Because Lamar starts throwing picks and fumbling the ball as soon as the playoffs start lol

He had 4 TD passes, 1 INT, passer rating 122.5 which was behind only Baker Mayfield.

Mahomes had 2 INTs, passer rating 101.4

Zoom out, my friend.

Here, I'll do the legwork for ya.

2018 playoffs: 2 TD 1 INT 48% completion, 3 fumbles.

2019 playoffs: 1 TD 2 INT 52% completion, 1 fumble

2020 playoffs: 0 TD 2 INT 64% completion, 1 fumble

2022 playoffs: injured

2023 playoffs: 3 TD 1 INT 61% completion, 1 fumble

2024 playoffs: 4 TD 1 INT 73% completion, 1 fumble

For his career, Lamar has 13 TD (10 pass 3 rush) 14 TO (7 INT 7 fumbles) on 59% completion percentage, dude is turds in the playoffs.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Because Lamar starts throwing picks and fumbling the ball as soon as the playoffs start lol

He had 4 TD passes, 1 INT, passer rating 122.5 which was behind only Baker Mayfield.

Mahomes had 2 INTs, passer rating 101.4

Zoom out, my friend.

Here, I'll do the legwork for ya.

2018 playoffs: 2 TD 1 INT 48% completion, 3 fumbles.

2019 playoffs: 1 TD 2 INT 52% completion, 1 fumble

2020 playoffs: 0 TD 2 INT 64% completion, 1 fumble

2022 playoffs: injured

2023 playoffs: 3 TD 1 INT 61% completion, 1 fumble

2024 playoffs: 4 TD 1 INT 73% completion, 1 fumble

For his career, Lamar has 13 TD (10 pass 3 rush) 14 TO (7 INT 7 fumbles) on 59% completion percentage, dude is turds in the playoffs.

This is what Micah does. Did the same thing in the Cowboy forum for years building up Dak and trying to convince us all the Cowboys can win with Dak based on Stats against scrub teams and ignoring the stats in big games and games vs. the best teams and playoff teams.Yes Jackson finally played his best playoff game last season but I don't know anyone in there right mind can ignore what we all witnessed in all the other playoff games.

[Micah Prescott]

Because Lamar starts throwing picks and fumbling the ball as soon as the playoffs start lol

He had 4 TD passes, 1 INT, passer rating 122.5 which was behind only Baker Mayfield.

Mahomes had 2 INTs, passer rating 101.4

Zoom out, my friend.

Here, I'll do the legwork for ya.

2018 playoffs: 2 TD 1 INT 48% completion, 3 fumbles.

2019 playoffs: 1 TD 2 INT 52% completion, 1 fumble

2020 playoffs: 0 TD 2 INT 64% completion, 1 fumble

2022 playoffs: injured

2023 playoffs: 3 TD 1 INT 61% completion, 1 fumble

2024 playoffs: 4 TD 1 INT 73% completion, 1 fumble

For his career, Lamar has 13 TD (10 pass 3 rush) 14 TO (7 INT 7 fumbles) on 59% completion percentage, dude is turds in the playoffs.

No you can't zoom out that far when grading these guys. I mean, Rodgers was amazing back then, etc

How they are playing NOW is primary. I can give Mahomes the benefit because he was GOAT levels of good. But anything 3+ years ago should basically be erased.


Last season Lamar was off the charts good. That should be the primary focus when trying to grade what he will do this current season. And at 28 years old? It's a certainty he's going to continue being amazing.

[Micah Prescott]

Also it looks to me like all of his bad playoff numbers are early on.

Lamar's last 4 playoff games? -

7 TD passes, 2 INTs, 3 Rushing TDs, 2 Fumbles

[JujitsuFlip]

He had 4 TD passes, 1 INT, passer rating 122.5 which was behind only Baker Mayfield.

Mahomes had 2 INTs, passer rating 101.4

Zoom out, my friend.

Here, I'll do the legwork for ya.

2018 playoffs: 2 TD 1 INT 48% completion, 3 fumbles.

2019 playoffs: 1 TD 2 INT 52% completion, 1 fumble

2020 playoffs: 0 TD 2 INT 64% completion, 1 fumble

2022 playoffs: injured

2023 playoffs: 3 TD 1 INT 61% completion, 1 fumble

2024 playoffs: 4 TD 1 INT 73% completion, 1 fumble

For his career, Lamar has 13 TD (10 pass 3 rush) 14 TO (7 INT 7 fumbles) on 59% completion percentage, dude is turds in the playoffs.

No you can't zoom out that far when grading these guys. I mean, Rodgers was amazing back then, etc

How they are playing NOW is primary. I can give Mahomes the benefit because he was GOAT levels of good. But anything 3+ years ago should basically be erased.

Last season Lamar was off the charts good. That should be the primary focus when trying to grade what he will do this current season. And at 28 years old? It's a certainty he's going to continue being amazing.

No, you don't look through a pinhole to see how a guy performs in the playoffs lol you take his full body of work.

Guy had 1 good game against the trash Steelers...

Against the Bills the guy threw for 2 TD but he also had 1 INT and 1 FUM... Who is characterizing that as 'off the charts good'?

[Micah Prescott]

Zoom out, my friend.

Here, I'll do the legwork for ya.

2018 playoffs: 2 TD 1 INT 48% completion, 3 fumbles.

2019 playoffs: 1 TD 2 INT 52% completion, 1 fumble

2020 playoffs: 0 TD 2 INT 64% completion, 1 fumble

2022 playoffs: injured

2023 playoffs: 3 TD 1 INT 61% completion, 1 fumble

2024 playoffs: 4 TD 1 INT 73% completion, 1 fumble

For his career, Lamar has 13 TD (10 pass 3 rush) 14 TO (7 INT 7 fumbles) on 59% completion percentage, dude is turds in the playoffs.

No you can't zoom out that far when grading these guys. I mean, Rodgers was amazing back then, etc

How they are playing NOW is primary. I can give Mahomes the benefit because he was GOAT levels of good. But anything 3+ years ago should basically be erased.

Last season Lamar was off the charts good. That should be the primary focus when trying to grade what he will do this current season. And at 28 years old? It's a certainty he's going to continue being amazing.

No, you don't look through a pinhole to see how a guy performs in the playoffs lol you take his full body of work.

Guy had 1 good game against the trash Steelers...

Against the Bills the guy threw for 2 TD but he also had 1 INT and 1 FUM... Who is characterizing that as 'off the charts good'?

I said "LAST SEASON" Lamar was off the charts good. And he was, his stat line was flat out insane. 41 TDs with only 4 INTs is a nuts ratio. And then nearly 1,000 rushing yards with another 4 TDs basically doubling as a RB. I mean, this is not something that is common with any QB, ever. But you want to pinhole him because in his early years he had some playoff INTs and fumbles (which half probably weren't even his fault).

I don't think people get what he did....

Michael Vick, the epitome of a rushing QB, never threw more than 21 TDs in a season. He doesn't have 41 TD passes in any two years combined. Cunningham throwing to prime Randy Moss could only rack up 30 TDs. MVP Cam Newton threw 35 TDs and 10 INTs.

[JujitsuFlip]

No you can't zoom out that far when grading these guys. I mean, Rodgers was amazing back then, etc

How they are playing NOW is primary. I can give Mahomes the benefit because he was GOAT levels of good. But anything 3+ years ago should basically be erased.

Last season Lamar was off the charts good. That should be the primary focus when trying to grade what he will do this current season. And at 28 years old? It's a certainty he's going to continue being amazing.

No, you don't look through a pinhole to see how a guy performs in the playoffs lol you take his full body of work.

Guy had 1 good game against the trash Steelers...

Against the Bills the guy threw for 2 TD but he also had 1 INT and 1 FUM... Who is characterizing that as 'off the charts good'?

I said "LAST SEASON" Lamar was off the charts good. And he was, his stat line was flat out insane. 41 TDs with only 4 INTs is a nuts ratio. And then nearly 1,000 rushing yards with another 4 TDs basically doubling as a RB. I mean, this is not something that is common with any QB, ever. But you want to pinhole him because in his early years he had some playoff INTs and fumbles (which half probably weren't even his fault).

I don't think people get what he did....

Michael Vick, the epitome of a rushing QB, never threw more than 21 TDs in a season. He doesn't have 41 TD passes in any two years combined. Cunningham throwing to prime Randy Moss could only rack up 30 TDs. MVP Cam Newton threw 35 TDs and 10 INTs.

Who cares what the guy does in the regular season? Like truly? No one does. He has 2 MVPs and arguably could have a 3rd...

When the playoffs hit, the guy sucks, always has. End of story.

[Micah Prescott]

No, you don't look through a pinhole to see how a guy performs in the playoffs lol you take his full body of work.

Guy had 1 good game against the trash Steelers...

Against the Bills the guy threw for 2 TD but he also had 1 INT and 1 FUM... Who is characterizing that as 'off the charts good'?

I said "LAST SEASON" Lamar was off the charts good. And he was, his stat line was flat out insane. 41 TDs with only 4 INTs is a nuts ratio. And then nearly 1,000 rushing yards with another 4 TDs basically doubling as a RB. I mean, this is not something that is common with any QB, ever. But you want to pinhole him because in his early years he had some playoff INTs and fumbles (which half probably weren't even his fault).

I don't think people get what he did....

Michael Vick, the epitome of a rushing QB, never threw more than 21 TDs in a season. He doesn't have 41 TD passes in any two years combined. Cunningham throwing to prime Randy Moss could only rack up 30 TDs. MVP Cam Newton threw 35 TDs and 10 INTs.

Who cares what the guy does in the regular season? Like truly? No one does. He has 2 MVPs and arguably could have a 3rd...

When the playoffs hit, the guy sucks, always has. End of story.

People who use logic care. If NFL scouts used your logic Mahomes never would have been drafted as he couldn't win games at Texas Tech. But they have the common sense to understand that the other 52 players and coaches affect the game outcome also.

We can clearly see Lamar plays at an extremely high level, but you want to ignore it because Mark Andrews fumbled and then dropped a ball in one game vs a very good team.

[JujitsuFlip]

I said "LAST SEASON" Lamar was off the charts good. And he was, his stat line was flat out insane. 41 TDs with only 4 INTs is a nuts ratio. And then nearly 1,000 rushing yards with another 4 TDs basically doubling as a RB. I mean, this is not something that is common with any QB, ever. But you want to pinhole him because in his early years he had some playoff INTs and fumbles (which half probably weren't even his fault).

I don't think people get what he did....

Michael Vick, the epitome of a rushing QB, never threw more than 21 TDs in a season. He doesn't have 41 TD passes in any two years combined. Cunningham throwing to prime Randy Moss could only rack up 30 TDs. MVP Cam Newton threw 35 TDs and 10 INTs.

Who cares what the guy does in the regular season? Like truly? No one does. He has 2 MVPs and arguably could have a 3rd...

When the playoffs hit, the guy sucks, always has. End of story.

People who use logic care. If NFL scouts used your logic Mahomes never would have been drafted as he couldn't win games at Texas Tech. But they have the common sense to understand that the other 52 players and coaches affect the game outcome also.

We can clearly see Lamar plays at an extremely high level, but you want to ignore it because Mark Andrews fumbled and then dropped a ball in one game vs a very good team.

Or maybe Lamar threw a pick and fumbled himself in the same game, logic probably tells us that...

[Micah Prescott]

Who cares what the guy does in the regular season? Like truly? No one does. He has 2 MVPs and arguably could have a 3rd...

When the playoffs hit, the guy sucks, always has. End of story.

People who use logic care. If NFL scouts used your logic Mahomes never would have been drafted as he couldn't win games at Texas Tech. But they have the common sense to understand that the other 52 players and coaches affect the game outcome also.

We can clearly see Lamar plays at an extremely high level, but you want to ignore it because Mark Andrews fumbled and then dropped a ball in one game vs a very good team.

Or maybe Lamar threw a pick and fumbled himself in the same game, logic probably tells us that...

That he sucks? I guess they all suck then. Mahomes had 2 INTs and 3 fumbles in the post season. Burrow didn't even make the post season. Even Hurts who has won it all threw an INT in the Super Bowl.

I mean where are you even ranking Lamar? Because outside of Mahomes none of the others in this debate have a ring. They are all failing in the playoffs outside of Mahomes.

[JujitsuFlip]

People who use logic care. If NFL scouts used your logic Mahomes never would have been drafted as he couldn't win games at Texas Tech. But they have the common sense to understand that the other 52 players and coaches affect the game outcome also.

We can clearly see Lamar plays at an extremely high level, but you want to ignore it because Mark Andrews fumbled and then dropped a ball in one game vs a very good team.

Or maybe Lamar threw a pick and fumbled himself in the same game, logic probably tells us that...

That he sucks? I guess they all suck then. Mahomes had 2 INTs and 3 fumbles in the post season. Burrow didn't even make the post season. Even Hurts who has won it all threw an INT in the Super Bowl.

I mean where are you even ranking Lamar? Because outside of Mahomes none of the others in this debate have a ring. They are all failing in the playoffs outside of Mahomes.

I think Lamar is a top 3 regular season QB.

Mahomes is washed, imo. Put up the same stats as Matthew Stafford last season.

Ravens 4th seed in 2018-19, bounced in the wild card round.

Ravens 1st seed in 2019-20, bounced in the divisional round.

Ravens 5th seed in 2020-21, boubced in the divisional round.

Ravens 6th seed in 2022-23, bounced in the wild card round.

Ravens 1st seed in 2023-24, bounced in the AFC Championship.

Ravens 3rd seed in 2024-25, bounced in the divisional round.

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Bengals 4th seed in 2021-22, won the AFC, lost in the Super Bowl on a phantom holding call.

Bengals 3rd seed in 2022-23, lost in the AFC Championship on a terrible late hit call when they neglected the offensive hold on the same play.

Burrow playoff record 5-2 (.714) vs Lamar playoff record 3-5 (.375).

[Micah Prescott]

Or maybe Lamar threw a pick and fumbled himself in the same game, logic probably tells us that...

That he sucks? I guess they all suck then. Mahomes had 2 INTs and 3 fumbles in the post season. Burrow didn't even make the post season. Even Hurts who has won it all threw an INT in the Super Bowl.

I mean where are you even ranking Lamar? Because outside of Mahomes none of the others in this debate have a ring. They are all failing in the playoffs outside of Mahomes.

I think Lamar is a top 3 regular season QB.

Mahomes is washed, imo. Put up the same stats as Matthew Stafford last season.

Ravens 4th seed in 2018-19, bounced in the wild card round.

Ravens 1st seed in 2019-20, bounced in the divisional round.

Ravens 5th seed in 2020-21, boubced in the divisional round.

Ravens 6th seed in 2022-23, bounced in the wild card round.

Ravens 1st seed in 2023-24, bounced in the AFC Championship.

Ravens 3rd seed in 2024-25, bounced in the divisional round.

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Bengals 4th seed in 2021-22, won the AFC, lost in the Super Bowl on a phantom holding call.

Bengals 3rd seed in 2022-23, lost in the AFC Championship on a terrible late hit call when they neglected the offensive hold on the same play.

Burrow playoff record 5-2 (.714) vs Lamar playoff record 3-5 (.375).

So what is your top-5?

Burrow #1? Despite going 9-8 last season and missing the playoffs completely? Make it make sense.

[Micah Prescott]

1. Burrow
2. Lamar
3. Josh Allen
4. Hurts
5. Mahomes

Roll a dice on who the other 5 should be or the other 27, for that matter.

Just now seeing this. I mean, you have him at #2 so, argument is kind of null IMO.

Having Burrow at #1 while your whole thing is playoff success is a WTF though.

[JujitsuFlip]

That he sucks? I guess they all suck then. Mahomes had 2 INTs and 3 fumbles in the post season. Burrow didn't even make the post season. Even Hurts who has won it all threw an INT in the Super Bowl.

I mean where are you even ranking Lamar? Because outside of Mahomes none of the others in this debate have a ring. They are all failing in the playoffs outside of Mahomes.

I think Lamar is a top 3 regular season QB.

Mahomes is washed, imo. Put up the same stats as Matthew Stafford last season.

Ravens 4th seed in 2018-19, bounced in the wild card round.

Ravens 1st seed in 2019-20, bounced in the divisional round.

Ravens 5th seed in 2020-21, boubced in the divisional round.

Ravens 6th seed in 2022-23, bounced in the wild card round.

Ravens 1st seed in 2023-24, bounced in the AFC Championship.

Ravens 3rd seed in 2024-25, bounced in the divisional round.

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Bengals 4th seed in 2021-22, won the AFC, lost in the Super Bowl on a phantom holding call.

Bengals 3rd seed in 2022-23, lost in the AFC Championship on a terrible late hit call when they neglected the offensive hold on the same play.

Burrow playoff record 5-2 (.714) vs Lamar playoff record 3-5 (.375).

So what is your top-5?

Burrow #1? Despite going 9-8 last season and missing the playoffs completely? Make it make sense.

I'd say 43 TD vs 9 INT for 4,918 yards on 70.6% completion, adding 2 rushing TD is pretty damn impressive.

Considering you're the guy preaching teammates and coaching, Bengals defense was 25th in the NFL last season in points allowed and yards allowed, atrocious.

[Micah Prescott]

I think Lamar is a top 3 regular season QB.

Mahomes is washed, imo. Put up the same stats as Matthew Stafford last season.

Ravens 4th seed in 2018-19, bounced in the wild card round.

Ravens 1st seed in 2019-20, bounced in the divisional round.

Ravens 5th seed in 2020-21, boubced in the divisional round.

Ravens 6th seed in 2022-23, bounced in the wild card round.

Ravens 1st seed in 2023-24, bounced in the AFC Championship.

Ravens 3rd seed in 2024-25, bounced in the divisional round.

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Bengals 4th seed in 2021-22, won the AFC, lost in the Super Bowl on a phantom holding call.

Bengals 3rd seed in 2022-23, lost in the AFC Championship on a terrible late hit call when they neglected the offensive hold on the same play.

Burrow playoff record 5-2 (.714) vs Lamar playoff record 3-5 (.375).

So what is your top-5?

Burrow #1? Despite going 9-8 last season and missing the playoffs completely? Make it make sense.

I'd say 49 TD vs 9 INT for 4,918 yards on 70.6% completion, adding 2 rushing TD is pretty damn impressive.

Considering you're the guy preaching teammates and coaching, Bengals defense was 25th in the NFL last season in points allowed and yards allowed, atrocious.

They are worse numbers than Lamars, and Burrow didn't even make the playoffs. Going by your own logic I do not see how you have Burrow over Lamar.

[bluejerseyjinx]

So what is your top-5?

Burrow #1? Despite going 9-8 last season and missing the playoffs completely? Make it make sense.

I'd say 49 TD vs 9 INT for 4,918 yards on 70.6% completion, adding 2 rushing TD is pretty damn impressive.

Considering you're the guy preaching teammates and coaching, Bengals defense was 25th in the NFL last season in points allowed and yards allowed, atrocious.

They are worse numbers than Lamars, and Burrow didn't even make the playoffs. Going by your own logic I do not see how you have Burrow over Lamar.

I do !!!!!!!!!

[bluejerseyjinx]

1. Burrow
2. Lamar
3. Josh Allen
4. Hurts
5. Mahomes

Roll a dice on who the other 5 should be or the other 27, for that matter.

Just now seeing this. I mean, you have him at #2 so, argument is kind of null IMO.

Having Burrow at #1 while your whole thing is playoff success is a WTF though.

Playoff success has always been the true measure of greatness in all the major sports if not all. We all see many great plays and greatness almost every week of every season during the regular season. When the playoffs come around, legends are born. Some are just plain allergic to the bright lights and pressure of it all. You should know that more than anyone watching Dak all these years.

[bluejerseyjinx]

1. Burrow
2. Lamar
3. Josh Allen
4. Hurts
5. Mahomes

Roll a dice on who the other 5 should be or the other 27, for that matter.

Just now seeing this. I mean, you have him at #2 so, argument is kind of null IMO.

Having Burrow at #1 while your whole thing is playoff success is a WTF though.

I have 4 QB's over Jackson. How come I'm not getting the same treatment?

[Micah Prescott]

1. Burrow
2. Lamar
3. Josh Allen
4. Hurts
5. Mahomes

Roll a dice on who the other 5 should be or the other 27, for that matter.

Just now seeing this. I mean, you have him at #2 so, argument is kind of null IMO.

Having Burrow at #1 while your whole thing is playoff success is a WTF though.

Playoff success has always been the true measure of greatness in all the major sports if not all. We all see many great plays and greatness almost every week of every season during the regular season. When the playoffs come around, legends are born. Some are just plain allergic to the bright lights and pressure of it all. You should know that more than anyone watching Dak all these years.

I understand your logic, but again, Burrow went 9-8 and didn't even make the playoffs. He missed your entire view of what makes a QB great. So how is he #1 overall?

[JujitsuFlip]

Just now seeing this. I mean, you have him at #2 so, argument is kind of null IMO.

Having Burrow at #1 while your whole thing is playoff success is a WTF though.

Playoff success has always been the true measure of greatness in all the major sports if not all. We all see many great plays and greatness almost every week of every season during the regular season. When the playoffs come around, legends are born. Some are just plain allergic to the bright lights and pressure of it all. You should know that more than anyone watching Dak all these years.

I understand your logic, but again, Burrow went 9-8 and didn't even make the playoffs. He missed your entire view of what makes a QB great. So how is he #1 overall?

Because you're the only one who looks through a pinhole lol

Burrow has lost 2 playoff games in his entire career by a combined 10 points.