Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap and the 1st page

[Mavrelous]

AD, OMax, Hardy for Turner, Kuzma and 1st.

The Mavs getting back shooting for defense. But this trade could not be done until 15 Dec. Myles Turner is from Texas and is not significant downgrades from Anthony Davis. Kuzma is overpaid but can still shoot. And the contract ends the same year as Klay.

That's a really bad return for AD, and I'm not a big fan of his.

[Archx]

AD, OMax, Hardy for Turner, Kuzma and 1st.

The Mavs getting back shooting for defense. But this trade could not be done until 15 Dec. Myles Turner is from Texas and is not significant downgrades from Anthony Davis. Kuzma is overpaid but can still shoot. And the contract ends the same year as Klay.

That's a really bad return for AD, and I'm not a big fan of his.

That's basically Turner, Kuzma, Christie and 2 1st for Luka, Maxi, Omax and Hardy. That's a horrible return. You would need at least additional 3 if not 4 1st's to that list. And even that would probably not be enough. People also just casually forget that Nico also paid 2nd to get rid of him to the Jazz.

[Darren]

Someone mentions a Klay and Kings 1st to GSW, Kuminga and BWill to Sactown, Monk to Mavs. I think I this one make sense.

[daoneandonly]

No to Kuzma yesterday, today, and forever. That guy is trash. Just no, no rationale whatsoever

[ACMFFL]

Lively looked like the 3rd best player of his class after Wemby and Amen, I don't think he'll look like this now.
Lively played 11 games after Luka went down, 2 good games agaimst POR and TOR, the rest ranged from meh to terrible.
I'm not drawing any conclusions from this sample size, and the fact he was coming back from injury in the last 4, but I'm not comfortable with DLo being his P&R operator....

Actually, Luka went down earlier than that Christmas game, he missed 8 additional games between November/December and in that stretch Lively averaged 9.3/7.8/2.8 on 77.5% fg.

Let's take a look at what his numbers say:

•with Luka: 17 games, 8.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.4 bpg, 66.3 fg%, 24 mpg.

•without Luka: 21 games, 8.4 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.7 bpg, 70.6 fg%, 22 mpg.

•without Luka and before his stress fracture*: 14 games, 10.4 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 3.1 apg, 2.1 bpg, 74.1 fg% 25.6 mpg.
*Imho it makes little sense to factor in those 6 games (4RS+2PI) he played coming off a severe injury (he hasn't recovered completely yet considering that a couple of months later he had to clean up bone spurs in the same foot) and that Denver game in which he injured his right ankle leaving the court less than 4 minutes into the game.

•without both Luka/Kyrie and before his aforementioneted foot injury: 6 games, 12.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3 apg, 2 bpg, 73.3% fg, 28 mpg.

Lively's noteworthy games without Luka:
vs OKC: 6/5/3, 2 blk, +12
vs DEN: 11/6/0, 2 blk, +2
vs MIA: 14/13/4, 2 blk, +8
vs NYK: 12/9/2, 1 blk, 0
vs LAC: 11/11/5, 2 blk, +13
vs HOU: 8/6/6, 4 blk, +5
vs POR: 21/16/1, 3 blk, +15 (Kyrie out too)
vs DEN: 14/6/8, 2 blk, +5 (Kyrie out too)

Numbers give a little bit of hope, and imho the question is more about the fit next to AD than the absence of an elite P&R partner.

[Mavrelous]

Lively looked like the 3rd best player of his class after Wemby and Amen, I don't think he'll look like this now.
Lively played 11 games after Luka went down, 2 good games agaimst POR and TOR, the rest ranged from meh to terrible.
I'm not drawing any conclusions from this sample size, and the fact he was coming back from injury in the last 4, but I'm not comfortable with DLo being his P&R operator....

Actually, Luka went down earlier than that Christmas game, he missed 8 additional games between November/December and in that stretch Lively averaged 9.3/7.8/2.8 on 77.5% fg.

Let's take a look at what his numbers say:

•with Luka: 17 games, 8.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.4 bpg, 66.3 fg%, 24 mpg.

•without Luka: 21 games, 8.4 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.7 bpg, 70.6 fg%, 22 mpg.

•without Luka and before his stress fracture*: 14 games, 10.4 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 3.1 apg, 2.1 bpg, 74.1 fg% 25.6 mpg.
*Imho it makes little sense to factor in those 6 games (4RS+2PI) he played coming off a severe injury (he hasn't recovered completely yet considering that a couple of months later he had to clean up bone spurs in the same foot) and that Denver game in which he injured his right ankle leaving the court less than 4 minutes into the game.

•without both Luka/Kyrie and before his aforementioneted foot injury: 6 games, 12.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3 apg, 2 bpg, 73.3% fg, 28 mpg.

Lively's noteworthy games without Luka:
vs OKC: 6/5/3, 2 blk, +12
vs DEN: 11/6/0, 2 blk, +2
vs MIA: 14/13/4, 2 blk, +8
vs NYK: 12/9/2, 1 blk, 0
vs LAC: 11/11/5, 2 blk, +13
vs HOU: 8/6/6, 4 blk, +5
vs POR: 21/16/1, 3 blk, +15 (Kyrie out too)
vs DEN: 14/6/8, 2 blk, +5 (Kyrie out too)

Numbers give a little bit of hope, and imho the question is more about the fit next to AD than the absence of an elite P&R partner.

Fair enough, I didn't include the pre Christmas portion in the analysis, because it was my psychological separator between pre Luka and post Luka, somehow it was also the separator between the good and bad Lively w/o Luka.
Lively w/o Luka pre-Christmas was still a very good and impactful player, and big part of the reason Mavs went 5-1 with the loss being OT loss against the Heat on the road.
Lively w/o Luka post Christmas and pre-injury was terrible except for 2 games against weak opponents, he may have put up foo FG%, but he was uncharacteristically deep negative in +/- when he usually was the opposite.

I don't have a good explanation for this, with AD, Gafford looked better, but Lively shouldn't have come back, he wasn't moving right at all, and was mercilessly exploited by Harden and Luka in blow out losses.
We'll need to see how he looks next year.

Luka + Lively had +14.5 net rating, Lively alone had 2.8, Luka alone had 6.
These 2 were made for each other.

[Bob8]

Lively looked like the 3rd best player of his class after Wemby and Amen, I don't think he'll look like this now.
Lively played 11 games after Luka went down, 2 good games agaimst POR and TOR, the rest ranged from meh to terrible.
I'm not drawing any conclusions from this sample size, and the fact he was coming back from injury in the last 4, but I'm not comfortable with DLo being his P&R operator....

Actually, Luka went down earlier than that Christmas game, he missed 8 additional games between November/December and in that stretch Lively averaged 9.3/7.8/2.8 on 77.5% fg.

Let's take a look at what his numbers say:

•with Luka: 17 games, 8.4 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.4 bpg, 66.3 fg%, 24 mpg.

•without Luka: 21 games, 8.4 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.7 bpg, 70.6 fg%, 22 mpg.

•without Luka and before his stress fracture*: 14 games, 10.4 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 3.1 apg, 2.1 bpg, 74.1 fg% 25.6 mpg.
*Imho it makes little sense to factor in those 6 games (4RS+2PI) he played coming off a severe injury (he hasn't recovered completely yet considering that a couple of months later he had to clean up bone spurs in the same foot) and that Denver game in which he injured his right ankle leaving the court less than 4 minutes into the game.

•without both Luka/Kyrie and before his aforementioneted foot injury: 6 games, 12.6 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3 apg, 2 bpg, 73.3% fg, 28 mpg.

Lively's noteworthy games without Luka:
vs OKC: 6/5/3, 2 blk, +12
vs DEN: 11/6/0, 2 blk, +2
vs MIA: 14/13/4, 2 blk, +8
vs NYK: 12/9/2, 1 blk, 0
vs LAC: 11/11/5, 2 blk, +13
vs HOU: 8/6/6, 4 blk, +5
vs POR: 21/16/1, 3 blk, +15 (Kyrie out too)
vs DEN: 14/6/8, 2 blk, +5 (Kyrie out too)

Numbers give a little bit of hope, and imho the question is more about the fit next to AD than the absence of an elite P&R partner.

I believe it should be pretty obvious how much Luka needed Lively, those 2 supplement each other perfectly, and how little AD needs Lively. AD will need to shoot a lot better for 3, if they want to play those 2 together. Lively is wrong player to be paired with AD, far better front court lineup is AD/PJ/Flagg.

Funny enough AD would have been perfect fit with Luka, even better than Lively.

Yes bigs are again important part of winning teams, but majority of starting bigs can shoot or at least have elite Pg in their teams.

[Mr B]

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[Mavrelous]

Mavs play the Warriors on Christmas day

[41Dirk41]

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Wow! He fist the culture... Maybe he can play PG and is that the Nico vision???

[Mavrelous]

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[Darren]

Are the Mavs interested in Josh Giddey? Giddey remains undersigned by Bulls despite career highs.

[Darren]

Kai Jones heads to Italy.

[41Dirk41]

Kai Jones heads to Italy.

Probably Virtus Bologna. Great pick up.

[Jg41]

Ideal Rest of Off-season Plan:

- Extend PJ for the Max: (4/88,762,438)
- After 9/7, flip C. Martin / J. Hardy / O. Prosper / PHI ‘30 2nd / 7.964M CC to UTA for K.J. Martin & K. Love
- This deal saves 25M+ in payroll and luxury tax payments this year—and that’s after accounting for the ~8M sent out via cash considerations. It also offloads roughly $16-21M in non-rotational payroll for ‘26-‘27 as well.
- Gives us even more flexible contracts to trade at the deadline if the right opportunity presents itself and opens up a spot for Exum

Opening Day Depth Chart:

PG: D. Russell (25) / D. Exum (10) / B. Williams
SG: K. Thompson (30) / M. Christie (20)
SF: C. Flagg (30) / N. Marshall (20) / K. Martin
PF: A. Davis (35) / P. Washington (30) / K. Love
C: D. Lively (20) / D. Gafford (20) / D. Powell

At TDL:

- Flip D. Gafford / M. Christie / B. Williams / LAL ‘29 1st / DAL ‘32 1st Swap / DAL ‘32 2nd to IND for A. Nembhard & J. Huff
- If you can find a taker for DLO great, if not he’s fine as Kyrie insurance.
- Obviously IND is disinclined to move Nembhard, (esp given the role they’re expecting of him this season) but if they can get a haul like this and he doesn’t significantly over-perform this Fall, IND has got to at least consider an offer like this.
- Still preserves our ability to send out 3 1st round picks via trade this summer (‘26, ‘31, ‘33) if the right young cornerstone guard becomes available.

Post TDL Depth Chart:

PG: K. Irving (30) / D. Russell (5) / D. Exum
SG: A. Nembhard (30) K. Thompson (25)
SF: C. Flagg (35) / N. Marshall (20) / K. Martin
PF: A. Davis (35) / P. Washington (30) / K. Love
C: D. Lively (25) / J. Huff (5) / D. Powell

[41Dirk41]

It's better try to develop Flagg , play some PO rounds with 0 hype and let street clothes&Irving expire without give away other assets. And fire Harrison of course.

Our window is shifted by 5/6 years , it's a completely no sense trade assets this year. Harrison has to face what he build. And leave.

[Teffer10]

It's better try to develop Flagg , play some PO rounds with 0 hype and let street clothes&Irving expire without give away other assets. And fire Harrison of course.

Our window is shifted by 5/6 years , it's a completely no sense trade assets this year. Harrison has to face what he build. And leave.

Agree...dont give up any assets that fit in Flagg's timeline to win now.

I give this one or 2 seasons to win with Kyrie/Klay/AD and then focus solely on building around Flagg.

[Michaellam1987]

Ideal Rest of Off-season Plan:

- Extend PJ for the Max: (4/88,762,438)
- After 9/7, flip C. Martin / J. Hardy / O. Prosper / PHI ‘30 2nd / 7.964M CC to UTA for K.J. Martin & K. Love
- This deal saves 25M+ in payroll and luxury tax payments this year—and that’s after accounting for the ~8M sent out via cash considerations. It also offloads roughly $16-21M in non-rotational payroll for ‘26-‘27 as well.
- Gives us even more flexible contracts to trade at the deadline if the right opportunity presents itself and opens up a spot for Exum

Opening Day Depth Chart:

PG: D. Russell (25) / D. Exum (10) / B. Williams
SG: K. Thompson (30) / M. Christie (20)
SF: C. Flagg (30) / N. Marshall (20) / K. Martin
PF: A. Davis (35) / P. Washington (30) / K. Love
C: D. Lively (20) / D. Gafford (20) / D. Powell

At TDL:

- Flip D. Gafford / M. Christie / B. Williams / LAL ‘29 1st / DAL ‘32 1st Swap / DAL ‘32 2nd to IND for A. Nembhard & J. Huff
- If you can find a taker for DLO great, if not he’s fine as Kyrie insurance.
- Obviously IND is disinclined to move Nembhard, (esp given the role they’re expecting of him this season) but if they can get a haul like this and he doesn’t significantly over-perform this Fall, IND has got to at least consider an offer like this.
- Still preserves our ability to send out 3 1st round picks via trade this summer (‘26, ‘31, ‘33) if the right young cornerstone guard becomes available.

Post TDL Depth Chart:

PG: K. Irving (30) / D. Russell (5) / D. Exum
SG: A. Nembhard (30) K. Thompson (25)
SF: C. Flagg (35) / N. Marshall (20) / K. Martin
PF: A. Davis (35) / P. Washington (30) / K. Love
C: D. Lively (25) / J. Huff (5) / D. Powell

why UTAH will take this deal, for a future 2nd round pick?

[HMFFL]

Last season we had three players that made 100 or more 3-pointers.

Player/Made 3's
Klay 216
Kyrie 144 (injured and recovery)
Spencer D 109 (Hornets now)

We desperately need three point shooting.

[41Dirk41]

Last sesson we had three players that made 100 or more 3-pointers.

Player/Made 3's
Klay 216
Kyrie 144 (Injurdd and recovery)
Spencer D 109 (Hornets now)

We desperately need three point shooting.

Maybe defense makes 3s too... Ask to Harrison