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Post#341 » by WuTang_OG » Wed Aug 6, 2025 11:39 pm

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Given how passionate he is about defence, how good he is at it, and how naturally it comes to him, most people would be surprised to discover that the 20-year-old is a recent convert. Prior to his senior year of high school, Murray-Boyles considered himself to be more of an offensive-minded player. To his own admission, the defensive end of the floor was not a big priority.

Thanks to a late growth spurt, Murray-Boyles grew up with the ball in his hands, which explains the versatility in his game all these years later. He’s always been a gifted passer and creative playmaker. He was a hard worker; the type of kid that would wake up at 5 a.m. to squeeze in a morning workout before getting ready for school.

He had a strong support system around him. His mother, Yvonne, is a lawyer. His father, Sean, works in construction. His oldest brother, James, nine years his senior, played ball at UNC Pembroke and still plays professionally overseas – even from the other side of the globe, he would watch film and give his younger brother feedback. It was a small inner circle that set Murray-Boyles up for success.

“When we first started working out, he had good footwork, good hands, good touch, but I didn’t know how big he was going to be,” said his former AAU coach and long-time trainer Khadijah Sessions. “I thought he was going to stop growing, so we started doing guard workouts. That’s how it started. He kinda got thrown into the fire with me.”

A star point guard at South Carolina, where she led the women’s team to SEC regular season titles in three of her four seasons before going pro in Finland and representing the United States at the 2019 FIBA AmeriCup, Sessions was fresh off her own playing career and branching into the world of coaching when she first met the ninth grader.

She had just inherited an AAU team for 14- and 15-year-old boys in the Columbia area and Murray-Boyles’ parents signed him up to play. Soon after, they asked her to be their son’s full-time trainer.

For two years, she would coach Murray-Boyles on the weekends, identify the areas of his game that he needed to work on, and then implement them into four or five training sessions during the week. In that time, he and his family turned down multiple opportunities to play for higher-profile circuit teams, which would have given him more national exposure. He was a loyal kid, and the decision to stick with Sessions spoke to his commitment to their developmental plan.

“He was always undersized, but it was never a problem,” Sessions said. “We played some of the top kids in the country when I had him. I saw him guard 7-footers. Any time he ever switched out on a guard, I was so impressed with his ability to deflect the ball or cover ground and block shots, get rebounds. He was always strong, always athletic, and he always had a will for defence. He might not have loved it when he first came and played with me, but he understood himself at an early age. I had to just pull it out of him a little bit more.”

Finally, Murray-Boyles hit his growth spurt ahead of his junior year at A.C. Flora High School. He sprouted to 6-foot-6. He got bigger and stronger, his arms grew longer, and his game took off from there. He averaged 34.3 points, 11.4 rebounds and 5.3 blocks that season.

“It felt great,” he said. “My body changed in a couple months. I was the most energetic person I could possibly be. I was going crazy. I probably could’ve gotten a quadruple-double if I really put my mind to it. Even though I didn’t prioritize defence like that, I still impacted the game [on that end of the floor].”


Finally, Murray-Boyles hit his growth spurt ahead of his junior year at A.C. Flora High School. He sprouted to 6-foot-6. He got bigger and stronger, his arms grew longer, and his game took off from there. He averaged 34.3 points, 11.4 rebounds and 5.3 blocks that season.

“It felt great,” he said. “My body changed in a couple months. I was the most energetic person I could possibly be. I was going crazy. I probably could’ve gotten a quadruple-double if I really put my mind to it. Even though I didn’t prioritize defence like that, I still impacted the game [on that end of the floor].”

It wasn’t until the following season that he truly started to embrace his gifts as a defender. He transferred to Wasatch Academy in Utah for his senior year of high school and began working with head coach Paul Peterson, whom he credits as one of his most important defensive mentors.

The first thing Peterson noticed about Murray-Boyles was his hands: the sheer size of them – “big, strong construction hands that he got from his dad,” he noted – but also how quick they were.


“Quick to shoot, quick to pass, quick to strip the ball, quick to block shots, quick to rebound,” Peterson said. “With everything the rest of his body could do, it would be nothing without his hands.”

Defence is a non-negotiable for Peterson and it didn’t take him long to see Murray-Boyles’ elite potential. He encouraged the young man to utilize all his tools and not hold back; to play ultra-aggressively and allow his defence to fuel his offence, and not the other way around. Peterson empowered him and made him their defensive “safety net.” He told him to be fearless and gave him more freedom than ever before.


As the season went on, he realized there was no limit to what Murray-Boyles could do on that end of the floor – he could hedge, he could play in drop coverage, he could use his quick hands on the guards, he could switch out. Meanwhile, Murray-Boyles saw the cause and effect of his defensive ability. The harder he played and the more he prioritized defence, the more valuable he became and the more he was able to contribute to team success.

“I just grew to love it,” he said.

A left-handed player himself, Murray-Boyles grew up watching and trying to emulate James Harden, but as his game started to take shape, his influences changed. He admired like-minded forwards such as Draymond Green, Aaron Gordon, Jalen Williams, Toumani Camara, and another player with famously big and quick hands, former Raptor Kawhi Leonard. He studied the way they used their length, physicality and anticipation, and how they balanced being aggressive without taking too many unnecessary risks.

In a narrow January loss to famed prep school Montverde Academy, Murray-Boyles went toe to toe with a 16-year-old phenom by the name of Cooper Flagg – Flagg finished with 27 points but the kid from South Carolina went off for 26 points, 10 rebounds and six assists.

“After that, I called his dad and was like, ‘Hey man, we got something,’” Sessions said. “I knew he was going to be special.”

In just a few months, Murray-Boyles went from being an unknown commodity to a consensus four-star recruit and top 100 prospect in the country. He was named first team all-conference in the NIBC – Flagg, the eventual first-overall pick in the 2025 draft class, was selected to the second team.

By the end of the season, he had received multiple high-major offers but committed to the first school that expressed interest, his hometown University of South Carolina. There, he would continue his defensive evolution under head coach Lamont Paris. But first, there was work to be done.

“To me, I didn’t think he was in the best of shape,” Sessions said. “He didn’t have a good body his senior year at Wasatch in Utah. He didn’t move how he’s moving now. He was always strong and athletic and very skilled, so that made up for a lot of things, but he was heavyset. He was a big guy.”

Those who were around Murray-Boyles during that summer between high school and college say that he worked as if he was preparing for the draft, if not harder.

“He was full on conditioning,” Peterson said. “He hit the weight room and completely changed his diet.”

Paris remembers running into him at a local Publix supermarket and his shopping cart was full of fruit – for a period, that’s all he was eating.

“He did one of the most challenging things for any human beings,” Paris said. “He altered his diet in a way that helped him physically and probably went against what his taste buds would like to do. I struggle with it, most humans struggle with it, and young people certainly don’t want to do that. Honestly, there’s nothing that says commitment like that… His body looked great and he had made huge strides.”

With that – and a lengthy case of mononucleosis that delayed the start of his freshman campaign – a slimmed down Murray-Boyles was more mobile than ever before. He already showed that he had the capacity to be a very good defender, but at South Carolina, Paris helped him refine his skills. He learned the nuances of defending within a system and the discipline it sometimes required.

“He really bought into it, and I think he saw how good he was at it,” Paris said. “You never had to twist his arm to try to do more defensively or to value defence… I think anyone is going to enjoy doing what they do well; that’s just human nature. And he did it really well.”

This past season, Murray-Boyles was one of only four players in all of college basketball to average at least 16.0 points, eight rebounds, one steal and one block, and he did it while shooting a conference-best 59 per cent from the field. The only glaring weakness in his game, notably, was his jump shooting – he hit just nine of his 39 three-point attempts over his two collegiate seasons.

After helping South Carolina win a school-record 26 games as a freshman, the Gamecocks went just 12-20 in his sophomore campaign, but by all accounts, Murray-Boyles didn’t let the adversity impact his focus or effort level. He’s widely regarded as an excellent teammate and he showed it when his club needed him the most.

Paris was in the building to watch Murray-Boyles’ Summer League breakout in Vegas this past July. After the game, he had a message for the young man, something that he had never said to any of his players before.

“You might end up being a superstar,” Paris told him. “With some of the things you do and how impactful you are, once you get to working on your shot and adding to your game, there’s a path for you to be a superstar.”

“He is more of the modern-day Draymond [Green],” Sessions said. “He is a defender, he can defend all positions, he can pass, he can set his teammates up… He’s going to be a better Draymond. He’s going to shoot better than him. He’s going to be able to score better than him. But it’s going to be over time and I think him playing behind Scottie Barnes and Brandon Ingram is going to bring a different monster out of him.”


Green was a popular comparison for Murray-Boyles going into the draft, given his defensive versatility and knack for handling and passing the ball at the forward position. But the four-time all-star, four-time NBA champion, former Defensive Player of the Year and future Hall of Famer is at the very high end of his potential outcomes. There aren’t many players that have been able to do what Green has done in Golden State over the past 13 years.

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Re: Collin Murray-Boyles Thread 

Post#342 » by Basketball_Jones » Thu Aug 7, 2025 12:01 am

Kind of bored so was looking for some CMB stuff. I like to watch high school highlights a lot for draftees, gives a better picture of their creativity and talent. Though doesn’t always pan out (Austin Rivers). Here you can see CMB making quite a lot of jump shots. It’s an unspectacular high light package but hey, there’s some hope here he can shoot someday.
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Re: Collin Murray-Boyles Thread 

Post#343 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Aug 7, 2025 1:12 am

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Thaddy wrote:He can't hit the corner 3. He needs to refine that in a situation where he'll get shots. We won't start him over RJ because of politics and trade value reasons. Is that easy enough to understand?

Lol we are not gonna bench CMB and start RJ because of "politics".

RJ was not drafted by our team, nor has he been extended, nor is our president even the same as when we acquired him.

If we want to bring RJ off the bench... we will. And that will be that.

RJ is a addition by subtraction player that no one wants. If we bench him we are essentially stuck with him or will need to attach picks to get off his contract.

We tried offering 9th and RJ for Holiday and were told to screw off. That's pretty eye opening. We aren't competitive and unless CMB or another bench player makes us much better in combination with our other starters RJ will start and it's 100% about trade value.

The only way we get better now is from trades. Internally developing a bunch of 2nd rounders isn't getting us far.

So RJ is sooooo bad but we won’t bench him because… why?

That’s why these arguments never make sense lol. It reminds me of politics. “The other party is weak and shouldn’t be in power, but they’re also strong and will ruin your lives”.

RJ is both to good to bench yet still a negative player. Makes sense
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Post#344 » by Thaddy » Thu Aug 7, 2025 2:39 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:Lol we are not gonna bench CMB and start RJ because of "politics".

RJ was not drafted by our team, nor has he been extended, nor is our president even the same as when we acquired him.

If we want to bring RJ off the bench... we will. And that will be that.

RJ is a addition by subtraction player that no one wants. If we bench him we are essentially stuck with him or will need to attach picks to get off his contract.

We tried offering 9th and RJ for Holiday and were told to screw off. That's pretty eye opening. We aren't competitive and unless CMB or another bench player makes us much better in combination with our other starters RJ will start and it's 100% about trade value.

The only way we get better now is from trades. Internally developing a bunch of 2nd rounders isn't getting us far.

So RJ is sooooo bad but we won’t bench him because… why?

That’s why these arguments never make sense lol. It reminds me of politics. “The other party is weak and shouldn’t be in power, but they’re also strong and will ruin your lives”.

RJ is both to good to bench yet still a negative player. Makes sense

Because we want his trade value to remain at a starter level.

Benching him lowers his trade value.

The only way we get better from this point forward is trades. The chances of getting a superstar in the 15-20 range is low. A winning trade for RJ would push us into the next tier.
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Post#345 » by Basketball_Jones » Thu Aug 7, 2025 2:51 am

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Post#346 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:05 am

Thaddy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Thaddy wrote:RJ is a addition by subtraction player that no one wants. If we bench him we are essentially stuck with him or will need to attach picks to get off his contract.

We tried offering 9th and RJ for Holiday and were told to screw off. That's pretty eye opening. We aren't competitive and unless CMB or another bench player makes us much better in combination with our other starters RJ will start and it's 100% about trade value.

The only way we get better now is from trades. Internally developing a bunch of 2nd rounders isn't getting us far.

So RJ is sooooo bad but we won’t bench him because… why?

That’s why these arguments never make sense lol. It reminds me of politics. “The other party is weak and shouldn’t be in power, but they’re also strong and will ruin your lives”.

RJ is both to good to bench yet still a negative player. Makes sense

Because we want his trade value to remain at a starter level.

Benching him lowers his trade value.

The only way we get better from this point forward is trades. The chances of getting a superstar in the 15-20 range is low. A winning trade for RJ would push us into the next tier.

:lol:

Yes, because obviously GMs are to stupid to properly evaluate players and only look to if a player is a starter or a bench player.

That just isn’t how the league works. There’s also the entire other side of the coin where we use RJ off the bench, he has a career year in a better fitting role, and his value increases.

It’s not like teams will refuse to trade for a productive bench piece :lol:
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Post#347 » by canada_dry » Thu Aug 7, 2025 4:45 am

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Thaddy wrote:I think his full game would be refined in the GLeague. We have solid back ups in place and ramping him up ther is a good idea. CMB should be the first forward off the bench. He needs to find a single part of offense he can refine I think he has a good pathway to being similar to Sabonis but better at defense.


You went from, he could be a better starter that RJ if he hits the three from the corner, to his game should be refined in the G League, to he should be first forward off the bench - all on one page lol
He went from liking the ingram trade when it happened to hating it the very next day to now calling him elite and exactly what we need.

He's all over the place. I kinda like it. :)

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Post#348 » by Thaddy » Thu Aug 7, 2025 12:49 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:So RJ is sooooo bad but we won’t bench him because… why?

That’s why these arguments never make sense lol. It reminds me of politics. “The other party is weak and shouldn’t be in power, but they’re also strong and will ruin your lives”.

RJ is both to good to bench yet still a negative player. Makes sense

Because we want his trade value to remain at a starter level.

Benching him lowers his trade value.

The only way we get better from this point forward is trades. The chances of getting a superstar in the 15-20 range is low. A winning trade for RJ would push us into the next tier.

:lol:

Yes, because obviously GMs are to stupid to properly evaluate players and only look to if a player is a starter or a bench player.

That just isn’t how the league works. There’s also the entire other side of the coin where we use RJ off the bench, he has a career year in a better fitting role, and his value increases.

It’s not like teams will refuse to trade for a productive bench piece :lol:

What 28M dollar bench pieces do you see in the league with positive trade value :lol:
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Post#349 » by WuTang_OG » Thu Aug 7, 2025 1:02 pm

CMB will be starting in year 2
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Post#350 » by Young Moosehead » Thu Aug 7, 2025 1:20 pm

Thaddy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Because we want his trade value to remain at a starter level.

Benching him lowers his trade value.

The only way we get better from this point forward is trades. The chances of getting a superstar in the 15-20 range is low. A winning trade for RJ would push us into the next tier.

:lol:

Yes, because obviously GMs are to stupid to properly evaluate players and only look to if a player is a starter or a bench player.

That just isn’t how the league works. There’s also the entire other side of the coin where we use RJ off the bench, he has a career year in a better fitting role, and his value increases.

It’s not like teams will refuse to trade for a productive bench piece :lol:

What 28M dollar bench pieces do you see in the league with positive trade value :lol:


Tyler Herro, Malcolm Brogdon and Naz Reid are 3 of the last 4 winners of 6MOY and are making that money.

Which is the idea, right? Demonstrate that RJ can be the star off of the bench and highly effective in that role. Because if he can keep his counting stats similar while improving his efficiency attacking benches, He could very well be that Manu-type. Then his salary is in line with his production and role. Top tier 6 man.
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Post#351 » by GLF » Thu Aug 7, 2025 1:46 pm

Young Moosehead wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote: :lol:

Yes, because obviously GMs are to stupid to properly evaluate players and only look to if a player is a starter or a bench player.

That just isn’t how the league works. There’s also the entire other side of the coin where we use RJ off the bench, he has a career year in a better fitting role, and his value increases.

It’s not like teams will refuse to trade for a productive bench piece :lol:

What 28M dollar bench pieces do you see in the league with positive trade value :lol:


Tyler Herro, Malcolm Brogdon and Naz Reid are 3 of the last 4 winners of 6MOY and are making that money.

Which is the idea, right? Demonstrate that RJ can be the star off of the bench and highly effective in that role. Because if he can keep his counting stats similar while improving his efficiency attacking benches, He could very well be that Manu-type. Then his salary is in line with his production and role. Top tier 6 man.


Not to involve myself in this convo but Herro ended up becoming a starter as he should have always been, Reid is only a back up bc Gobert is there and Brogdon is no longer in the league currently. RJ doesn’t have anyone better than him to be supplanting him from the starting lineup like Reid does. If our young guys prove to be better than him this season then we can talk but right now that’s not the case.
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Post#352 » by God Squad » Thu Aug 7, 2025 2:20 pm

I have no idea what his ultimate ceiling or position will be. But I'll say this much, he looks like the perimeter defender I wanted Scottie to be. It leads me to be optimistic about Scottie defending the weakside as 4, while CMB can guard anyone (2-4, & maybe 1-5)
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Post#353 » by YogurtProducer » Thu Aug 7, 2025 2:31 pm

Thaddy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Because we want his trade value to remain at a starter level.

Benching him lowers his trade value.

The only way we get better from this point forward is trades. The chances of getting a superstar in the 15-20 range is low. A winning trade for RJ would push us into the next tier.

:lol:

Yes, because obviously GMs are to stupid to properly evaluate players and only look to if a player is a starter or a bench player.

That just isn’t how the league works. There’s also the entire other side of the coin where we use RJ off the bench, he has a career year in a better fitting role, and his value increases.

It’s not like teams will refuse to trade for a productive bench piece :lol:

What 28M dollar bench pieces do you see in the league with positive trade value :lol:

Who cares? Your entire position is a fallacy.

You already think RJ has no trade value. Why would it matter if he started or came off the bench?

Making start/sit decisions based on player salary is just a flawed approach. If RJ is so bad, and has no trade value, why should we continue to play him in the role he is so bad at? That is a very flawed approach.

and FWIW: Naz Reid, DeAndre Hunter, Alex Caruso were all in 6MOTY voting and all make between $18-24M per year. I would not sweat RJ making a tad more than them.
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Post#354 » by ConSarnit » Thu Aug 7, 2025 3:45 pm

Thaddy wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Because we want his trade value to remain at a starter level.

Benching him lowers his trade value.

The only way we get better from this point forward is trades. The chances of getting a superstar in the 15-20 range is low. A winning trade for RJ would push us into the next tier.

:lol:

Yes, because obviously GMs are to stupid to properly evaluate players and only look to if a player is a starter or a bench player.

That just isn’t how the league works. There’s also the entire other side of the coin where we use RJ off the bench, he has a career year in a better fitting role, and his value increases.

It’s not like teams will refuse to trade for a productive bench piece :lol:

What 28M dollar bench pieces do you see in the league with positive trade value :lol:


Don’t you see how your argument makes no sense? Here’s what you’ve argued:

1) RJ has no trade value in part because of the rumored Jrue deal. This lack of value was determined from RJ BEING A STARTER

2) RJ will have no value if RJ comes off the bench

You’ve already said RJ has no value as a starter. Why would it then matter if we brought him off the bench?

According to you he has no value as a starter or bench player so why does it matter where we play him?
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Post#355 » by raptorforlife88 » Thu Aug 7, 2025 4:15 pm

There's a very long RJ thread to continue hashing out the same arguments we've all been having about him for 1.5 years.
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Post#356 » by tsherkin » Thu Aug 7, 2025 5:11 pm

raptorforlife88 wrote:There's a very long RJ thread to continue hashing out the same arguments we've all been having about him for 1.5 years.


This is very true :)
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Post#357 » by Appostis » Fri Aug 8, 2025 2:19 am

WuTang_OG wrote:CMB will be starting in year 2



Likely..but in place of who?
Bi? Scotty?
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Post#358 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Aug 8, 2025 2:49 am

Appostis wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:CMB will be starting in year 2



Likely..but in place of who?
Bi? Scotty?


RJ most likely
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Post#359 » by Los_29 » Fri Aug 8, 2025 3:17 am

Some epic Thaddyisms these past couple of pages.

Obviously just summer runs, but can’t help but being excited about CMB’s future. I’m cautiously optimistic he can develop into a competent shooter.
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Post#360 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Fri Aug 8, 2025 4:16 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
Appostis wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:CMB will be starting in year 2



Likely..but in place of who?
Bi? Scotty?


RJ most likely

It's probably this year tbh. He's our best defender. The offense isn't bad either.
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