Dominator83 wrote:Infinity2152 wrote:Dominator83 wrote:
And how tradeable are those contracts? George is 1 year in, and he has negative trade value. Lavine for a long time had negative trade value. Last summer AK wanted to move him but couldn't because nobody would take him unless they were being compensated to. Luckily he had a great start to the season to where we got something decent (our pick back) and fillers that turned out to be useful here. And even then i believe we had to still send out a 2nd rounder or 2 in that deal. This time next year, Fox will be untradeable, unless its maybe for someone elses junk that nobody wants
Well, George is way older and I'd argue Fox is worth more. Lavine negative trade value was when? He was considered a value contract on his RFA contract. His next contract didn't look like a massive overpay at the time. Every team doesn't have the option of only resigning Giannis or tatum? how long were they actively trying to trade him? The month or a couple of weeks before he got injured. Would argue Lavine would have looked better with Wemby instead of Vucevic too. Fox's value is what it is to that team with Wemby right now. If he's a huge piece of why they make the conference Finals this year, he's worth it.
Paying the Fox's of the world Luka Doncic money, is how bad teams stay bad and mediocre teams stay mediocre. and yes Zach at $20 mill per was a great value. The same Zach at $45 per was an albatross that was hard to move
Zach's contract was moved the first season he was reasonably healthy. He got injured right after they put him up for trade and was out the rest of the season and the summer, IIRC. And it's a $45 mill contract. Those rarely move quickly. What $45 mill player is traded within days? Bulls had no reason to rush. This whole hard to move thing completely ignores the Bulls asking price. Do you even know what it was? They ended up getting a few good players and a first round pick. Have the Bulls traded ANYONE quickly? Seems the whole theme in here is AK overvalues his players and asks for too much, so why would any player not be hard to move?
Then people move to complain about the returns after AK holds on:
Lavine gets Collins, Tre Jones, Kevin Huerter and a first (Noa essengue), not enough
Ball (Oh, we have to trade him!!!!) Barely played last 3 years, get Okoro, not enough
Caruso played 41 games his first year with us, 54 last year: Flip him for Giddey, didn't get a first, not enough
Traded Derozan to kings AS A FREE AGENT, got 2 second and Duarte, not enough
Everybody dying for him to trade Vucevic, whatever he gets back, not enough
All these players, supposedly trash, offense killers, defensive sieves, always injured, nobody wants them. Until AK trades them for positive assets. Then those assets aren't good enough, lmao! Sunk cost fallacy.
Guess what, most teams can't just add a $45 mill player who just came off injury without seeing him play a month or two. Like the stupid logic (not saying it's yours but the logic makes no sense) that teams would have bid on Giddey if they wanted him. There was literally ONE team that could bid on Giddey without the Bulls cooperation at the start of free agency, the team that said they weren't signing RFA's. EVERYBODY else did not have the space and needs/needed the Bulls to cooperate. Nobody CAN make an offer. Nobody COULD make an offer. Not before clearing major cap to offer a contract the Bulls likely match. Clearing $30+ mill when nobody has space to take it is harder this summer than ever before, not happening much on Day 1. took the Bucks weeks to bite that bullet just to offer Turner $25 mill, Bulls would have matched that without blinking for Giddey. I don't think, and probably other GM's would agree, a $30 mill offer is not enough to steal Giddey right now. Bulls are bluffing because they can. nobody's destroying their cap to prove them wrong, when the Bulls can just match.
Argument would be much more valid if Giddey wasn't a RFA and 5-10 teams actually had cap space. And that's still 15-30% of potential suitors.
Celtics paid Jaylen Brown Luka Doncic money. They a bad or mediocre team? OKC just paid Chet Holgrem and Jalen Williams max. Are they a bad or mediocre team? Didn't Klay Thompson get max? Were they mediocre, or is he Luka Doncic level too? You're basically saying every team with a number 2 player who's getting max that is not Luka Doncic level is mediocre. Fox is not the number 1. Thompsons not a 1A. George was not a 1A. Lavine is not a 1A. They are great number 2's sometime put in position to be number 1.
