Offseason 2025 Thread

[LofJ]

Jeff outright saying this core has to show us something before they make the decision to cash in.

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[Diop]

For the life of me I cant see why we still haven't inquired about Claxton. Brooklyn is openly tanking. We have the assets. Freaking get it done.

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they don't value him as much as some here do, i don't hate it

[Bassman]

Jeffie is so certain he will be able to pull off the amazing deal. Perhaps he can. It’s a tall order, a very high hurdle. Look at how many NBA teams have risen in stature, gotten sort of close, and failed to get over the hump.

This upcoming season, with the draft picks, new players and hopefully healthy core guys, they can take a big step up. Then we can see if Mr. Big Hand can push his chips to the middle and not go bust.

[Chapelchilla]

They have been VERY consistent and deliberate about how they are going about the process. 7 steps or whatever. If it works, they deserve tons of credit.
They mostly seem to want to see what they have with this core combined with better - attitudes/health/coaching/complimentary players etc. BEFORE - they cash in the assets to get the right extra piece(s).
They need a healthy non fully tanking season to determine who that could be. Plus, the whole strike when the iron is hot angle.

[GiggitySmalls]

For the life of me I cant see why we still haven't inquired about Claxton. Brooklyn is openly tanking. We have the assets. Freaking get it done.

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they don't value him as much as some here do, i don't hate it

I hate going into next season with plumdog, moose and klak and saying we are building a winner first or a foundation. Atleast add a real center and say this is the foundation. They will still have chips to cash in if they aquired Claxton.

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[Snidely FC]

it seems to me that any concern around Moussa Diabete holding down the center spot is based on him being able to handle bigger and heavier nba centers

but Diabete and Nic Claxton measured nearly identically at their respective nba combines (claxton was 3/4 of an inch taller but otherwise the same in weight, wingspan, etc) and Diabete measured as by far the most athletic center at his combine in '22

Claxton is four years older but otherwise I don't see how he is an obvious upgrade to Diabete in terms of skillsets he brings to the court enough as to make him worth spending assets on. At what is Claxton notably better than Diabete?

[fatlever]

it seems to me that any concern around Moussa Diabete holding down the center spot is based on him being able to handle bigger and heavier nba centers

but Diabete and Nic Claxton measured nearly identically at their respective nba combines (claxton was 3/4 of an inch taller but otherwise the same in weight, wingspan, etc) and Diabete measured as by far the most athletic center at his combine in '22

Claxton is four years older but otherwise I don't see how he is an obvious upgrade to Diabete in terms of skillsets he brings to the court enough as to make him worth spending assets on. At what is Claxton notably better than Diabete?

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predraft combine measurements are nearly identical
moose on left vs claxton on riht
height wo shoes - claxton .75 inch taller
6'9.25 vs 6'10

wingspan - same
7'2.5 vs 7'2.5

standing reach - claxton .5 inch longer
9'1.5 vs 9'2

weight - same
216.6 vs 216.6

claxton has slightly bigger hands

max vert - same
36.5 vs 36.6

sprint / shuttle - moose better on both
11.19 / 2.90 vs 11.26 / 3.47

if claxton is big enough to be a center, so is moose. have faith moose continues to improve. he's 2 years younger than claxton. they arent that different if you look at per 36 moose vs claxton after 3rd yrs.

https://craftednba.com/players/comparison/moussa-diabate-vs-nic-claxton

one makes 25mil, the other 2 mil... and 2 years younger

claxton is not the guy to dump assets for. moose gives you 90% of claxton w/ 90% less money. get a center who does something different.

[SWedd523]

I feel like there's a lot of cope around the narrative that Moose will be a passable starter

[yosemiteben]

I feel like there's a lot of cope around the narrative that Moose will be a passable starter

Maybe, but also raising a legitimate question of how is Claxton significantly different from Moussa. I actually wasn't aware that their measurables were so similar.

[GoBobs]

I feel like there's a lot of cope around the narrative that Moose will be a passable starter

Maybe, but also raising a legitimate question of how is Claxton significantly different from Moussa. I actually wasn't aware that their measurables were so similar.

What keeps Moose from being a passable starter is 60% from the ft line. Claxton is even worse at 51%, woof!

[fatlever]

I feel like there's a lot of cope around the narrative that Moose will be a passable starter

The point to be made is

Claxton costs 25 mil plus trade assets
Moose costs 2 mil

They aren't different enough for that to be worth it and moose still appears to be improving.

Even I, the governor of the moose lodge, think he's ideally a #2.

I'm just not in favor of chasing Claxton as a possible upgrade.

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[SWedd523]

I'm not talking about Claxton. I don't care about Claxton.

Different conversation altogether

[Liver_Pooty]

The little YouTube thingy was okay I guess

[yosemiteben]

I'm not talking about Claxton. I don't care about Claxton.

Different conversation altogether

Ah, seemed like you were responding to the Claxton conversation that was going on.

So if we traded for Claxton, would you feel like we have a passable starter?

[SWedd523]

I'm not talking about Claxton. I don't care about Claxton.

Different conversation altogether

Ah, seemed like you were responding to the Claxton conversation that was going on.

So if we traded for Claxton, would you feel like we have a passable starter?

No idea, I don't know anything about him.


ETA: I'm fairly comfortable saying adding Claxton to the current rotation would be good from a talent acquisition standpoint

[fatlever]

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Yeah, probably. Don't love it, but I get it.

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[HornetJail]

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Yeah, probably. Don't love it, but I get it.

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fast forward to July 2026, the Hornets have drafted Dash Daniels with the 7th pick.

"The Charlotte Hornets would love to get a crack at Tyran Stokes or Caleb Holt, and then really start to rev things up next year"

and repeat...


At what point is the problem that we've never actually made an attempt to build a team, more than just chasing top picks? I wish anyone in the media had the stones to ask our front office that question.

[Chapelchilla]

Their multi step plans timeline pretty much comes to them making the big push for next season. Maybe at the trade deadline if they are extra good early this season.
The spectrum center will be done this year and the med/practice facility the following summer. The rooks/TJ will have experience and not be teenagers.
The cap sheet will be pretty clean too.
Lastly-
The 27 draft will not be super good and they have other teams picks to fall back on in the future if they want to be really good themselves then.
I think they want to get better this year and win like 35-40 but have a last crack at lotto luck.

[yosemiteben]

Huge Melo season incoming - put up or shut up time.

[yosemiteben]

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Looks like we're losing him