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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1461 » by nomorezorro » Fri Aug 8, 2025 12:20 am

lol the report from fischer is that "a bunch of teams have told giddey's representation that they're, generally speaking, interested in him, but those teams have not been enthusiastic about actually reaching out to the bulls to even try to work on a S&T"

this is like the "i have a girlfriend who lives in canada" of agent posturing
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1462 » by nomorezorro » Fri Aug 8, 2025 12:21 am

also the idea of adding giddey to a team with steph/draymond/jimmy...come on
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1463 » by nomorezorro » Fri Aug 8, 2025 12:35 am

oh, and acquiring a signed+traded player would cap the warriors at the first apron, and they're $25 million below the apron with just 9 players under contract. so it's basically functionally impossible for them to make anything work at a price that the bulls wouldn't just pay giddey themselves
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1464 » by Evil_Headband » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:02 am

nomorezorro wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:There is no way AK signs and trades Giddey for Kuminga.


in part because it's basically not possible with the BYC rules


I would have assumed two BYC players could be swapped if they had similar contracts. No?
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1465 » by nomorezorro » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:03 am

no, that just makes it more complicated. e.g. if they both sign for $25m a year, each side has $25 million in salary incoming but just $12.5 million outgoing
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1466 » by Dez » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:18 am

MGB8 wrote:
Pipp33 wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:Fischer said multiple teams have reached out to Giddey’s camp


Part of me hopes Giddey signs elsewhere and thrives. Bulls FO don't deserve to have him with how they've handled this.



Whatever. I now hope he takes the QO and has a career ending in jury, losing out on tens of millions. I’m sick of fanboys.


Yes because fanboys are worse people than those wishing career ending injuries on people.

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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1467 » by MGB8 » Fri Aug 8, 2025 2:40 am

Dez wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
Pipp33 wrote:
Part of me hopes Giddey signs elsewhere and thrives. Bulls FO don't deserve to have him with how they've handled this.



Whatever. I now hope he takes the QO and has a career ending in jury, losing out on tens of millions. I’m sick of fanboys.


Yes because fanboys are worse people than those wishing career ending injuries on people.

Get help, you need it.


Take your own advice. I was making a point - an escalation of negative wishes. You made it personal - showing a complete lack of personal emotional control.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1468 » by Dez » Fri Aug 8, 2025 4:12 am

MGB8 wrote:
Dez wrote:
MGB8 wrote:

Whatever. I now hope he takes the QO and has a career ending in jury, losing out on tens of millions. I’m sick of fanboys.


Yes because fanboys are worse people than those wishing career ending injuries on people.

Get help, you need it.


Take your own advice. I was making a point - an escalation of negative wishes. You made it personal - showing a complete lack of personal emotional control.


You're trying to justify wishing a career ending injury on someone, that's pathetically disgusting.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1469 » by Dan Z » Fri Aug 8, 2025 4:13 am

I saw this online and also on the general board. Kuminga for Giddey.

I'd be surprised if AK did this trade and, if he did, it would be awful. A ridiculous rumor IMO.

https://www.hoopshype.com/story/sports/nba/rumors/2025/08/07/warriors-interested-in-josh-giddey/85567499007/
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1470 » by Jstock12 » Fri Aug 8, 2025 8:32 am

MGB8 wrote:
Pipp33 wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:Fischer said multiple teams have reached out to Giddey’s camp


Part of me hopes Giddey signs elsewhere and thrives. Bulls FO don't deserve to have him with how they've handled this.



Whatever. I now hope he takes the QO and has a career ending in jury, losing out on tens of millions. I’m sick of fanboys.

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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1471 » by Stratmaster » Fri Aug 8, 2025 10:23 am

dougthonus wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:So the latest is 3/70. That should make EVERYONE on this board happy, right? 23.3 mil AAV on a short term deal. So lets find out if there is one thing we can all agree on. IF the Bulls and Giddey sign that deal, everyone good with it?

If I were him I would insist on year 3 being a player option. Barring a complete meltdown/devastating injury scenario, with the cap rising the way it is, he should be able to beat that contract after 2 more seasons pretty easily. Hopefully Giddey is happy with the contract also, or he may decide to get it from someone else after a couple seasons with the Bulls.


The player option is a massive ask in that case. I'd maybe do a 4th year player option at the same AAV, but I would demand at least a 3 year deal if I'm the Bulls.


That would certainly be better for the Bulls. But if I am him, asking 30, and they are wanting me to come down to 23 mil, I would insist on it. Or I would just take the QO before locking myself in at that number for 3 seasons.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1472 » by fleet » Fri Aug 8, 2025 12:32 pm

Dez wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
Dez wrote:
Yes because fanboys are worse people than those wishing career ending injuries on people.

Get help, you need it.


Take your own advice. I was making a point - an escalation of negative wishes. You made it personal - showing a complete lack of personal emotional control.


You're trying to justify wishing a career ending injury on someone, that's pathetically disgusting.

TWIMC, the reported post is noted. It’s not actionable imo, but at the same time everyone probably said what they wanted to say, and it doesn’t need further discord over.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1473 » by Red8911 » Fri Aug 8, 2025 12:50 pm

nomorezorro wrote:also the idea of adding giddey to a team with steph/draymond/jimmy...come on

Not happening, the GSW are just trying so hard to get something positive out of Kuminga. They are desperate and probably have called the whole league but can’t get anything so far.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1474 » by dougthonus » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:32 pm

Stratmaster wrote:That would certainly be better for the Bulls. But if I am him, asking 30, and they are wanting me to come down to 23 mil, I would insist on it. Or I would just take the QO before locking myself in at that number for 3 seasons.


I have no idea where Giddey's thought process is, everyone weighs risk / value differently. If I'm the Bulls, my hard lines would be:

1: 3-5 years in deal length
2: AAV 25M or under

Ideally, I'd try to do 5 year 125M with TO on the 5th year with a descending structure. If Giddey wants fewer years and the most money, then 4/100M (player option on 4th year) would be my "best" offer in that direction. Granted, my lines don't need to be the Bulls lines, but those would be my hard cut offs personally.

If I was Giddey, I'd ultimately take 4/100M (PO on 4th year) over the QO. I'm not sure how Giddey thinks, he may not want to do that, but if I was Giddey that's probably in my range. If the Bulls had slightly harder hard lines like 5/125M PO on 5th year, I'd still probably take that if I'm Giddey too.

My guess is that ultimately, the middle ground both sides will take is larger than a single point and have wider overlap, but it's possible that there is no overlap.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1475 » by Indomitable » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:34 pm

nomorezorro wrote:oh, and acquiring a signed+traded player would cap the warriors at the first apron, and they're $25 million below the apron with just 9 players under contract. so it's basically functionally impossible for them to make anything work at a price that the bulls wouldn't just pay giddey themselves

This is off season nonsense.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1476 » by Red Larrivee » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:53 pm

KC Johnson has had the best read on this situation while barely saying anything on it.

Fischer seems credible, but this sounds more like just throwing some stuff out there for content.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1477 » by Jeffster81 » Fri Aug 8, 2025 2:36 pm

Dan Z wrote:I saw this online and also on the general board. Kuminga for Giddey.

I'd be surprised if AK did this trade and, if he did, it would be awful. A ridiculous rumor IMO.

https://www.hoopshype.com/story/sports/nba/rumors/2025/08/07/warriors-interested-in-josh-giddey/85567499007/


More believable rumor would be the Bulls trade Giddey for a couple of 2nd round picks. In time the Bulls trade those 2nd round picks for cash.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1478 » by Chi town » Fri Aug 8, 2025 2:53 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:KC Johnson has had the best read on this situation while barely saying anything on it.

Fischer seems credible, but this sounds more like just throwing some stuff out there for content.


Agent favors and he actually has something to say at a time when no media does because it’s August and the league is dead right now.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1479 » by sco » Fri Aug 8, 2025 3:04 pm

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nomorezorro wrote:also the idea of adding giddey to a team with steph/draymond/jimmy...come on

Not happening, the GSW are just trying so hard to get something positive out of Kuminga. They are desperate and probably have called the whole league but can’t get anything so far.

According to the WT article quoting Fischer ...
Fischer then states that a roadblock for any team to acquire Giddey is a reluctance to reach out to the Bulls as they have been telling rivals that they want to keep the guard.

"There is not a lot of enthusiasm from these rival teams about calling the Bulls front office and working out a sign-and-trade," said Fischer.

So the ball is in the Bulls court because unlike GSW, the Bulls want to keep Giddey (and will presumably match any offer). This is why RFA's generally make less money, all else being equal, than UFA's. And why getting guys who are RFA's is a good thing.
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Re: Josh Giddey Thread 2.0 

Post#1480 » by Infinity2152 » Fri Aug 8, 2025 4:39 pm

Asked Copilot how the trade could be done, using current players and exceptions while complying with CBA rules, BYC, apron. Here's what came back:

https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/b5aQ36MgopSdnDU8Jnu43

Basically, we'd send out Giddey, Smith for Kuminga, Payton III. Warriors use Kyle Anderson TPE to absorb some of Giddey's salary and stay under the apron. Did not include any possible pick compensation or a third team.

Could be done pretty easily, don't know how many picks the Warriors would have to add before I'd take that deal.

Edit: Deal could also be done Giddey/Vucevic for Kuminga/Payton. Much more attractive, both players get $25 mill AAV in this scenario, because they both have to agree. Still wouldn't do it. Getting Vucevic 3 pt volume would make up for Giddey's lack of shooting and with Draymond and Butler there, they can afford some weak defenders for the offensive boost. Not saying it's a GREAT look, but could be workable for them. Steph is actually more dangerous off-ball, he's ALWAYS moving. Ball movement and BBall IQ would be insane. Giddey could keep over 36% from three, that could be a championship team with good health. Kinda sucks for us.

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