Stockton says LeBrons titles don’t have value

[MrPainfulTruth]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

You think conveniently leave out Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving makes us forget it was just another one of LeBrons superteams?

When you ask 100 real basketball fans what the iconic image of this title run is (i'm not referring to your typcical LeBron stan), i'd guess 80% would pick "the shot". Just like his first title was only possible because Ray Allen hit that three.

[The4thHorseman]

Yes, harder finals opponents but a much much weaker conference than the west making it easier to get to the finals.

Not nearly as easy as the early 80's (especially the West) where conference champions got 1st round byes (only 3gm series in 1st round) and only needed 8 wins to get to the finals.

3 gm series makes upsets much more likely, if you are the top seed you want as many games as possible

Okc loses to Denver and Indy if series were only 3 games

My take was more about wear and tear, having to win 4gms in the first round compared to getting time off to rest up before the 2nd round.

Plus, this past postseason, OKC didn't play Denver in the first round. You don't see those closer matchups in the first round, that's why it's extremely rare for an 8 seed to beat a 1 seed

[The4thHorseman]

No one cares, the GOAT of professional basketball should never be a guy who quit the sport to go play 2 different sports, at an amateur level and fail lol get real.

Hey when are you gonna answer my question about the 88/89 Pistons? You say they were not loaded with talent…can you explain? Curious on how you got that.

I already answered using your logic... a team with 1 all-star can't be stacked.

[The4thHorseman]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

You think conveniently leave out Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving makes us forget it was just another one of LeBrons superteams?

When you ask 100 real basketball fans what the iconic image of this title run is (i'm not referring to your typcical LeBron stan), i'd guess 80% would pick "the shot". Just like his first title was only possible because Ray Allen hit that three.

What did Love avg in the 2016 Finals? How many of the 7 games did he play? How many games did he play in the 2015 postseason?

[MrPainfulTruth]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

You think conveniently leave out Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving makes us forget it was just another one of LeBrons superteams?

When you ask 100 real basketball fans what the iconic image of this title run is (i'm not referring to your typcical LeBron stan), i'd guess 80% would pick "the shot". Just like his first title was only possible because Ray Allen hit that three.

What did Love avg in the 2016 Finals? How many of the 7 games did he play? How many games did he play in the 2015 postseason?

Was he on that team or not? How come he wasnt mentioned?

[Iwasawitness]

You think conveniently leave out Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving makes us forget it was just another one of LeBrons superteams?

When you ask 100 real basketball fans what the iconic image of this title run is (i'm not referring to your typcical LeBron stan), i'd guess 80% would pick "the shot". Just like his first title was only possible because Ray Allen hit that three.

What did Love avg in the 2016 Finals? How many of the 7 games did he play? How many games did he play in the 2015 postseason?

Was he on that team or not? How come he wasnt mentioned?

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

[The4thHorseman]

You think conveniently leave out Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving makes us forget it was just another one of LeBrons superteams?

When you ask 100 real basketball fans what the iconic image of this title run is (i'm not referring to your typcical LeBron stan), i'd guess 80% would pick "the shot". Just like his first title was only possible because Ray Allen hit that three.

What did Love avg in the 2016 Finals? How many of the 7 games did he play? How many games did he play in the 2015 postseason?

Was he on that team or not? How come he wasnt mentioned?

Yes he was,

Now what did Love avg in the 2016 Finals? How many of the 7 games did he play? How many games did he play in the 2015 postseason?

[Masigond]

Was he on that team or not? How come he wasnt mentioned?

True, a big name wasn't mentioned. Still Love played only 6 of the 7 games in the 2016 Finals and averaged 8.5 ppg on abysmal shooting (.362 FG%, .263 3P%) to go with 6.8 rpg. So Love was by no means providing superstar help.

[Rust_Cohle]

Not nearly as easy as the early 80's (especially the West) where conference champions got 1st round byes (only 3gm series in 1st round) and only needed 8 wins to get to the finals.

3 gm series makes upsets much more likely, if you are the top seed you want as many games as possible

Okc loses to Denver and Indy if series were only 3 games

My take was more about wear and tear, having to win 4gms in the first round compared to getting time off to rest up before the 2nd round.

Plus, this past postseason, OKC didn't play Denver in the first round. You don't see those closer matchups in the first round, that's why it's extremely rare for an 8 seed to beat a 1 seed

Meh, early 80’s, I mean warriors and spurs got pushed harder within their own conference more often than not than by lebron teams in the finals. Not as surprising that lebron crazy finals runs stopped dramatically out west

[JujitsuFlip]

Point being James can be clowned on just like you clowing on Jordan for retiring to go play baseball. We can find issues with every player who is a top 10 player in nba history. No player is perfect. Jordans dad was found dead on the roadside in 93. I dont blame him for taking a break and pursuing baseball if it meant something to him and his dad. Its cool for James to bounce around the league but Jordan cant make his own decisions? Lol why?

And he quit the 2nd time to play Pro-Am golf, why was that? Because his college coach enjoyed it? Or who did it mean something to?

What about the 3rd time, it wasn't because the goat was about to be drafted in 2 months after he hung it up, right?

Lol an emotional response made out of frustration with no merit. Come on man…..you dont respect Jordan for his retirements same as i dont respect James for his colluding/team hopping. We all have our opinions. He retired in 03 cause his knees were shot. Dude got old and had enough. Until the nba announces a goat we will be debating this which will be forever. We all have our opinions but Jordan is the greatest ive ever seen.

I might believe your 2003 excuse until MJ was flirting with the idea of coming back for a 4th NBA stint with the Bobcats.

[Rust_Cohle]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

Lmao wow

And curry won a title with

Damian Jones
Kevon Looney
James Michael McAdoo
Briante Weber


That’s even crazier!

[Rust_Cohle]

Why not? lol he's played in the NBA longer than any other player ever has or most likely, ever will. There's bound to be a million things a pro encounters in a 23 year career.

Point being James can be clowned on just like you clowing on Jordan for retiring to go play baseball. We can find issues with every player who is a top 10 player in nba history. No player is perfect. Jordans dad was found dead on the roadside in 93. I dont blame him for taking a break and pursuing baseball if it meant something to him and his dad. Its cool for James to bounce around the league but Jordan cant make his own decisions? Lol why?

And he quit the 2nd time to play Pro-Am golf, why was that? Because his college coach enjoyed it? Or who did it mean something to?

What about the 3rd time, it wasn't because the goat was about to be drafted in 2 months after he hung it up, right?

Imagine winning nearly as many titles after a pro am tourney than lebron did in 22 years. Still chasing a ghost after all this time.

Mj never ever lost a series with HCA, lebron 4 times

[benson13]

Of course they have value. The Cleveland Cavaliers now have more NBA championships than the Utah Jazz. Losing to the 90's Bulls doesn't equate to an NBA title.

[The4thHorseman]

3 gm series makes upsets much more likely, if you are the top seed you want as many games as possible

Okc loses to Denver and Indy if series were only 3 games

My take was more about wear and tear, having to win 4gms in the first round compared to getting time off to rest up before the 2nd round.

Plus, this past postseason, OKC didn't play Denver in the first round. You don't see those closer matchups in the first round, that's why it's extremely rare for an 8 seed to beat a 1 seed

Meh, early 80’s, I mean warriors and spurs got pushed harder within their own conference more often than not than by lebron teams in the finals. Not as surprising that lebron crazy finals runs stopped dramatically out west

Stopped due to injuries to James and his teammates in 2019. Then again to him and Davis after 2020 in various postseasons plus getting older doesn't help either. Nobody expected him to keep making consecutive Finals appearances as he got older.

[JujitsuFlip]

Point being James can be clowned on just like you clowing on Jordan for retiring to go play baseball. We can find issues with every player who is a top 10 player in nba history. No player is perfect. Jordans dad was found dead on the roadside in 93. I dont blame him for taking a break and pursuing baseball if it meant something to him and his dad. Its cool for James to bounce around the league but Jordan cant make his own decisions? Lol why?

And he quit the 2nd time to play Pro-Am golf, why was that? Because his college coach enjoyed it? Or who did it mean something to?

What about the 3rd time, it wasn't because the goat was about to be drafted in 2 months after he hung it up, right?

Imagine winning nearly as many titles after a pro am tourney than lebron did in 22 years. Still chasing a ghost after all this time.

Mj never ever lost a series with HCA, lebron 4 times

He won zero titles after his amateur golf spree lol

You're thinking of his failed amateur baseball 'career'.

[The4thHorseman]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

Lmao wow

And curry won a title with

Damian Jones
Kevon Looney
James Michael McAdoo
Briante Weber


That’s even crazier!

None of those guys were starters other than Looney who didn't avg starter minute's at 21 per game.

Both J.R Smith and Tristan Thompson were legit starters in 2016 Finals.

[LockoutSeason]

Watered down 90s lol

What team had more talent in the eastern conference then the 2010-2014 Miami Heat and the 2015-2018 Cleveland Cavaliers? The east was kind of “watered down” wouldn’t ya say?

5 teams lost 60 games in the Western Conference in 1998. That’s almost half of the teams in the conference. lol

Lebron has never played in a league that bad, not even the eastern conference.

The ‘90s were a Mickey Mouse era propped up by MJ’s marketing department.

So your not gonna answer my question? Who in the east had more talent then James with Wade, Bosh, Irving, and Love during those years?

Who did they face? Paul George, Roy Hibbert, and David West Pacers? Al Horford, Jeff Teague, and Josh Smith Hawks? Lowry, and Derozan Raptors? Rookie Jason Tatum, second year Brown, and Scary Terry Celtics?

D-Rose’s Bulls, Big 3 + prime Rondo Celtics, PG’s Pacers, Baby Tatum’s Celtics, Lowry/DeRozan Raptors, and the 60 win Hawks were all very formidable teams.

And unlike Stockton, Lebron actually beat them. Stockton lost in the first round to a team led by Tom Chambers.

[Los_29]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

You think conveniently leave out Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving makes us forget it was just another one of LeBrons superteams?

When you ask 100 real basketball fans what the iconic image of this title run is (i'm not referring to your typcical LeBron stan), i'd guess 80% would pick "the shot". Just like his first title was only possible because Ray Allen hit that three.

I think it’s quite obvious he played with Kyrie and Love. Both of whom, by the way, did very little without LeBron.

You can say that about every superstar player. How many big shots did Derek Fisher and Robert Horry make for the Lakers? The reality is LeBron was far and away the best player averaging 26/8/6 while the 2nd leading scorer was Wade at 15ppg.

[Shock Defeat]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

Lmao wow

And curry won a title with

Damian Jones
Kevon Looney
James Michael McAdoo
Briante Weber


That’s even crazier!

None of those guys were starters other than Looney who didn't avg starter minute's at 21 per game.

Both J.R Smith and Tristan Thompson were legit starters in 2016 Finals.

JR and Thompson were good players in 2016.

[Nate505]

And unlike Stockton, Lebron actually best team. Stockton lost in the first round to a team led by Tom Chambers.

The Kevin Johnson disrespect is real.