Stockton says LeBrons titles don’t have value

[Los_29]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

Lmao wow

And curry won a title with

Damian Jones
Kevon Looney
James Michael McAdoo
Briante Weber


That’s even crazier!

Not when you factor in he played with Iggy, KD, Draymond, Klay. Nice try. lol. LeBron carried bad Cavs teams while Curry was on some historic teams. By the way, I’m a massive Curry fan. One of the greatest to ever play.

[Rust_Cohle]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

Lmao wow

And curry won a title with

Damian Jones
Kevon Looney
James Michael McAdoo
Briante Weber


That’s even crazier!

None of those guys were starters other than Looney who didn't avg starter minute's at 21 per game.

Both J.R Smith and Tristan Thompson were legit starters in 2016 Finals.

Thompson averaged a double double in those finals, jr smith had 3 massive 3’s in the third quarter of game 7 that was a huge momentum shift. Cavs had more players averaging at least 10 points a game in those finals (4) than the warriors did. Delladova was an amazing perimeter defender for those playoffs. Kyrie had one of the highest scoring averages of a number 2 in the finals of the last 25 years. Those cavs team were legit elite, and not just because of lebron.

People love to downplay LeBron’s supporting cast as though he had 2003 cavs his whole career.

And yes, warriors were the more talented team.

[The4thHorseman]

Lmao wow

And curry won a title with

Damian Jones
Kevon Looney
James Michael McAdoo
Briante Weber


That’s even crazier!

None of those guys were starters other than Looney who didn't avg starter minute's at 21 per game.

Both J.R Smith and Tristan Thompson were legit starters in 2016 Finals.

JR and Thompson were good players in 2016.

I know they played well at times in the Finals but dude I quoted listed players who didn't even play big minutes like Smith and Thompson.

[Rust_Cohle]

None of those guys were starters other than Looney who didn't avg starter minute's at 21 per game.

Both J.R Smith and Tristan Thompson were legit starters in 2016 Finals.

JR and Thompson were good players in 2016.

I know they played well at times in the Finals but dude I quoted listed players who didn't even play big minutes like Smith and Thompson.

Which once again, thompson averaged a double double and jr smith double digits with a big game 7 3rd quarter and cavs had more double digit scoring players than the warriors.

[The4thHorseman]

Lmao wow

And curry won a title with

Damian Jones
Kevon Looney
James Michael McAdoo
Briante Weber


That’s even crazier!

None of those guys were starters other than Looney who didn't avg starter minute's at 21 per game.

Both J.R Smith and Tristan Thompson were legit starters in 2016 Finals.

Thompson averaged a double double in those finals, jr smith had 3 massive 3’s in the third quarter of game 7 that was a huge momentum shift. Cavs had more players averaging at least 10 points a game in those finals (4) than the warriors did. Delladova was an amazing perimeter defender for those playoffs. Kyrie had one of the highest scoring averages of a number 2 in the finals of the last 25 years. Those cavs team were legit elite, and not just because of lebron.

People love to downplay LeBron’s supporting cast as though he had 2003 cavs his whole career.

And yes, warriors were the more talented team.

Im not downplaying anything. You listed players who were not starters but implying as if some were and played significant minutes in the 2022 Finals.

[Rust_Cohle]

None of those guys were starters other than Looney who didn't avg starter minute's at 21 per game.

Both J.R Smith and Tristan Thompson were legit starters in 2016 Finals.

Thompson averaged a double double in those finals, jr smith had 3 massive 3’s in the third quarter of game 7 that was a huge momentum shift. Cavs had more players averaging at least 10 points a game in those finals (4) than the warriors did. Delladova was an amazing perimeter defender for those playoffs. Kyrie had one of the highest scoring averages of a number 2 in the finals of the last 25 years. Those cavs team were legit elite, and not just because of lebron.

People love to downplay LeBron’s supporting cast as though he had 2003 cavs his whole career.

And yes, warriors were the more talented team.

Im not downplaying anything. You listed players who were not starters but implying as if some were and played significant minutes in the 2022 Finals.

I was clearly being sarcastic. It’s just as silly as the other post who downplayed jr smith and thompson like they were scrubs. Especially Thompson who was an elite offensive rebounder for those finals with tons of 2nd chance opportunities for the cavs

[CzBoobie]

Which once again, thompson averaged a double double and jr smith double digits with a big game 7 3rd quarter and cavs had more double digit scoring players than the warriors.

LMAO, since when are double double (literally 10/10 in this case) and TWO 3rd quarter threes signs of an elite supporting cast?

[SFour]

If Lebron did what KD did with the Warriors then I would agree....but Lebron never joined a team that was already capable of winning a championship before AND after him joining/leaving.

Let's not revise history; it was LeBron who started the super team era.

Lebron brought a knife to a fist fight while KD took out a gun...there's a difference.

Lebron started the superteam stuff but he never joined an established championship caliber team like KD did.....and we've seen the success KD has had starting his own superteams with the Nets and Suns...didn't work out too great.

[FarBeyondDriven]

they have value they're just among the weakest when compared to pretty much every other all-time great. I guess it's better than if he had stayed in Cleveland and never won but only marginally.

[MalonesElbows]

Lebron paid his dues in Cleveland a long time before bolting. It's wasn't the most chivalrous thing to do, but the titles have meaning. Stockton is just as old school as they come.

Fun fact: Stockton retired a year before James rookie season, they never played on the court together.

[52-12-7]

John speaking facts. More and more legends will come out and say the same thing as Lebron gets closer to retirement. Legends doesn't respect lebrons stack the deck career.

[ocelot17]

Dirk Nowitzki and jokic did something LeBron could never do and that’s win a championship without any help.

LeBron could only win when he was on a super team.

Dirk and jokic won a championship with literally no all stars on their team. They earned their championships, LeBron didn’t. He took the easy way.

[LockoutSeason]

John speaking facts. More and more legends will come out and say the same thing as Lebron gets closer to retirement. Legends doesn't respect lebrons stack the deck career.

You’re using the word “legend” very loosely here.

[JN61]

Lots of whining from Stockton. Not worth listening to at all.

You don't need to listen but definitely good points.

[JujitsuFlip]

Thompson averaged a double double in those finals, jr smith had 3 massive 3’s in the third quarter of game 7 that was a huge momentum shift. Cavs had more players averaging at least 10 points a game in those finals (4) than the warriors did. Delladova was an amazing perimeter defender for those playoffs. Kyrie had one of the highest scoring averages of a number 2 in the finals of the last 25 years. Those cavs team were legit elite, and not just because of lebron.

People love to downplay LeBron’s supporting cast as though he had 2003 cavs his whole career.

And yes, warriors were the more talented team.

Im not downplaying anything. You listed players who were not starters but implying as if some were and played significant minutes in the 2022 Finals.

I was clearly being sarcastic. It’s just as silly as the other post who downplayed jr smith and thompson like they were scrubs. Especially Thompson who was an elite offensive rebounder for those finals with tons of 2nd chance opportunities for the cavs

Those guys are scrubs lol like wut?

[og15]

No, I’m saying he went and repeatedly tried to form super teams in his prime with different franchises when the going got rough where he was. None of those guys did that to that degree. No one in history besides kd and harden.

Well, first of all LeBron's prime was like 3 times as long as 3 of those guys, so they didn't even have a chance to do it if they wanted to.

Second, regardless, take out Kobe who got to play on the franchise that gets all the players and championships and already had 3 championships, none of those guys won a championship or were ever on a contender.

So if you're argument is, well, look, these guys on poor or mediocre run franchises had worse rosters and accomplished nothing, so Lebron shouldn't have tried to form strong teams, it's an argument for, not against Lebron.

Kobe on the Lakers, in LA, the land of getting top players, already with 3 chips in the bag, and only 3 years of "suffering", I'm not even sure why he's being mentioned. Oh no, what a hard situation, lol

Not to mention, Kobe pretty much forced his way to LA as a rookie. Wtf are we even talking about

Anyone trying to act like Kobe took some hard road is either very confused or just making up a new reality

[MrPainfulTruth]

Lebron won a championship playing with Matthew Dellavedova, Tristan Thompson, JR. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Mo Williams. That’s actually unbelievable when you think about how deep the championship teams have been the past few years. In fact the last weak team to win was the Lakers as outside of LeBron and AD, they had a team that lacked talent and depth.

Stockton was an incredible player and he does have a point with LeBron going to Miami to be in a better situation. But LeBron carried his teams to championships and deserves credit for that.

You think conveniently leave out Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving makes us forget it was just another one of LeBrons superteams?

When you ask 100 real basketball fans what the iconic image of this title run is (i'm not referring to your typcical LeBron stan), i'd guess 80% would pick "the shot". Just like his first title was only possible because Ray Allen hit that three.

I think it’s quite obvious he played with Kyrie and Love. Both of whom, by the way, did very little without LeBron.

You can say that about every superstar player. How many big shots did Derek Fisher and Robert Horry make for the Lakers? The reality is LeBron was far and away the best player averaging 26/8/6 while the 2nd leading scorer was Wade at 15ppg.

1. I keep hearing they "did very little without LeBron". Well how many titles did LeBron - the self declared GOAT - win without superstars on his side? Shouldnt a GOAT perform better than everyone else?
2. You cant say that about every superstar player because some won with literally noone else to distract the defense from them, including Dirk, Giannis and of course Jokic.

[Cavsfansince84]

Lebron paid his dues in Cleveland a long time before bolting. It's wasn't the most chivalrous thing to do, but the titles have meaning. Stockton is just as old school as they come.

Fun fact: Stockton retired a year before James rookie season, they never played on the court together.

I'm literally a 40+ year Cavs fan and this idea that chivalry ever really applied to sports is the biggest bunch of malarkey I've ever heard. Sports is where owners like Art Modell don't get cities to spend $1b on new stadiums so take their team somewhere else. I mean where the hell are some of you getting this **** from? That's not what sports is. He played 7 years in Cleveland and left. There is no meaning of the word chivalry that applies here. That has to do with how you treat others and how men treat women. The Cavs as a team were not some girlfriend that LeBron knocked up then never saw again which is how so many people on the internet act like he did by going to Miami. I don't even care about the tv special because there really wasn't any way he could do all of that and not get criticism for it. The only criticism that applies is that maybe Wade was too good for him to join up with(Bosh as a #3 was avg by title team standards no matter how much people may talk about him being a top 10 player at the time which he wasn't). LeBron only gets criticism from former players because he had the balls to do what he did and all these guys like Kareem, Wilt, the Celtics big 3, Magic coming out to play with Kareem and Kobe forcing his way to the Lakers all gets swept under the rug in comparison because of reasons. Not only that, but people somehow act like morality is involved. It's high comedy.

[MrPainfulTruth]

Dirk Nowitzki and jokic did something LeBron could never do and that’s win a championship without any help.

LeBron could only win when he was on a super team.

Dirk and jokic won a championship with literally no all stars on their team. They earned their championships, LeBron didn’t. He took the easy way.

Same for Giannis and also Kawhi and 2015 and 2021 Steph. The entire LeBron crowd hates those guys with a passion because without many words they proved how absolutely ridiculous the entire GOAT thing is. He is basically failure for his long career; announced as the guy who would follow Jordan, turn the league around. Achieving some respectable "almost" shows in the east, then got too insecure because he wasnt on a trajectory to fulfill the big expectations, bailed out and took the easiest possible route. And exactly at that point, the guys above took a much, much harder route and succeeded. Not because of more talent but because they had more character, and more resilience, and werent so insecure.

[JujitsuFlip]

Dirk Nowitzki and jokic did something LeBron could never do and that’s win a championship without any help.

LeBron could only win when he was on a super team.

Dirk and jokic won a championship with literally no all stars on their team. They earned their championships, LeBron didn’t. He took the easy way.

Green font?

Jokic's 'no help' was a teammate averaging 26 PPG and 7 APG lmfao the mental gymnastics here are wild.