Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[DAWill1128]

When OKC was looking to move Giddey because they had so much financially tied up with SGA, Williams, and Chet I proposed moving Podz and a pick for him. OKC ended up getting Caruso but I thought we should've moved Podz for an upgrade in Giddey at shooting guard before the start of last season.

I would move Kuminga and a pick for Giddey. Giddey is crafty, he can handle, move the ball, go iso. I think he could be the engine of the offense at times during the regular season to keep the vet 3 fresh. He could get guys like Curry, Buddy, Moody, Horford good looks.

If you started Josh at shooting guard and teams put a long wing on Curry then Josh will absolutely abuse smaller guards inside.

https://youtu.be/2Z1lBWdcBvo?si=46MrhYzHdnlwpXNp

[Onus]

Now apparently jk wants a player option in year 2 and we’re holding onto a team option.

Where did you hear that?

Curious too.

There is room to meet in the middle on many JK fronts from S&T to a short term extension.

I seriously doubt he takes what’s been offered so far from the warriors.

Jake Fischer

[Twinkie defense]

Of course they can still trade him on the qualifying offer though

Not without Kuminga's agreement.

Yep, I know, but Kuminga wants to get out of there, here's a chance.

Also, the team acquiring him would not acquire his Bird rights. He would be categorized as Non-Bird next offseason, meaning the new team could only offer up to 120% of this year's salary (the QO) with Bird rights. They would need to use cap space or the NTMLE (est. $15.5M next season) to make a better offer.

Yep - all the more reason for Kuminga to take the Warriors up on their generous 1+1 offer, which will give him a much higher base salary to build on.

[Twinkie defense]

I was surprised that, according to Spotract, a Kuminga for Giddey trade is possible. I assumed the BYC factors would mess things up but it seems like it's more about the Bulls being hard-capped at the first apron that complicates the transaction.

(Being hard-capped at the first apron with a 39-win team, ouch!)

[statsman]

I was surprised that, according to Spotract, a Kuminga for Giddey trade is possible. I assumed the BYC factors would mess things up but it seems like it's more about the Bulls being hard-capped at the first apron that complicates the transaction.

(Being hard-capped at the first apron with a 39-win team, ouch!)

Well, that was going to be the Warriors last season until they traded for Butler!

In the above Kuminga-Giddey swap, the Warriors would also be hard capped at the first apron. Seems like it would be more of a challenge for them than the Bulls. Maybe the Bulls are lining up a future trade for Giannis and don't want to be hard capped at the 1st apron!

[Twinkie defense]

Maybe Kuminga can be the Bulls’ Jimmy Butler.

[BayAreaDub]

I wish Giddey was realistic but I think that's just an easy clickbait rumor by Fischer

[AirP.]

I wish Giddey was realistic but I think that's just an easy clickbait rumor by Fischer

Clickbait? He mentioned that GS contacted Giddy's representation, he also mentioned no team had called Chicago to inquire what it would take to get Giddy. There was no indication that a trade was happening anytime soon with Giddy but now Giddy and his representation knows GS is interested in his services and quite possibly what they might be willing to pay him and with that knowledge, he might not sign long-term in Chicago and may try to get to UFA quicker since he knows there will be interest in him, just like Kuminga knows there's multiple teams interested in him and what they possibly will offer him if he can become an UFA in a year or 2.

With GS wanting to compete this year, there's really no good way of acquiring Giddy currently without taking a step backwards, in 6 months from now, if Kuminga doesn't take the QO, there's a path to acquiring Giddy without taking a step backwards since Kuminga will probably be traded one way or another this year.

Also, had you listened to Fischer's video on this, he mentioned that GS had thought OKC was going to take Kuminga at #6 in the draft and they were going to take Giddy at #7, so it seems GS has had interest in Giddy for a while.

[HiRez]

Jonathan Kuminga Prefers $7.9M Qualifying Offer Over Warriors' Current Terms

Not surprising, but yuck. Looking more and more like we're going to have a disgruntled guy sitting the whole season on the bench and taking up ~$8M. Kerr didn't like him and didn't trust him before, I doubt he lets him see any meaningful time now. It's a bad look for the Warriors and a bad look for JK. If the Warriors are telling him they're going to trade him and he wants out that badly, why is he carping about being traded mid-season, or a 2nd year team option? On the other hand, why not just give him a second-year player option, or just a second year with no option? It's clear he's not going to want to stay anyway, it's clear the Warriors will do everything to trade him ASAP, and it doesn't seem like a deal-killer for a trade (presumably a team acquiring him is interested in him staying).

[CS707]

Jonathan Kuminga Prefers $7.9M Qualifying Offer Over Warriors' Current Terms

Not surprising, but yuck. Looking more and more like we're going to have a disgruntled guy sitting the whole season on the bench and taking up ~$8M. Kerr didn't like him and didn't trust him before, I doubt he lets him see any meaningful time now. It's a bad look for the Warriors and a bad look for JK. If the Warriors are telling him they're going to trade him and he wants out that badly, why is he carping about being traded mid-season, or a 2nd year team option? On the other hand, why not just give him a second-year player option, or just a second year with no option? It's clear he's not going to want to stay anyway, it's clear the Warriors will do everything to trade him ASAP, and it doesn't seem like a deal-killer for a trade (presumably a team acquiring him is interested in him staying).

I doubt they're going to sit him unless his play dictates that he shouldn't be in the rotation. It's not ideal for GS but at the end of the day, he's the one playing for his future. Worst case for us is a missed opportunity to convert on what appears to be a marginally desired at best asset.

[Onus]

Jonathan Kuminga Prefers $7.9M Qualifying Offer Over Warriors' Current Terms

Not surprising, but yuck. Looking more and more like we're going to have a disgruntled guy sitting the whole season on the bench and taking up ~$8M. Kerr didn't like him and didn't trust him before, I doubt he lets him see any meaningful time now. It's a bad look for the Warriors and a bad look for JK. If the Warriors are telling him they're going to trade him and he wants out that badly, why is he carping about being traded mid-season, or a 2nd year team option? On the other hand, why not just give him a second-year player option, or just a second year with no option? It's clear he's not going to want to stay anyway, it's clear the Warriors will do everything to trade him ASAP, and it doesn't seem like a deal-killer for a trade (presumably a team acquiring him is interested in him staying).

Jk is bluffing.

Player option vs team option really doesn’t seem like jk is willing to bet on himself. It really shouldn’t matter in the end to him if hes betting on himself. He obviously is trying to secure that 2nd year.

I just don’t get why we don’t want him back at any contract.

[whatisacenter]

Jonathan Kuminga Prefers $7.9M Qualifying Offer Over Warriors' Current Terms

Not surprising, but yuck. Looking more and more like we're going to have a disgruntled guy sitting the whole season on the bench and taking up ~$8M. Kerr didn't like him and didn't trust him before, I doubt he lets him see any meaningful time now. It's a bad look for the Warriors and a bad look for JK. If the Warriors are telling him they're going to trade him and he wants out that badly, why is he carping about being traded mid-season, or a 2nd year team option? On the other hand, why not just give him a second-year player option, or just a second year with no option? It's clear he's not going to want to stay anyway, it's clear the Warriors will do everything to trade him ASAP, and it doesn't seem like a deal-killer for a trade (presumably a team acquiring him is interested in him staying).

Jk is bluffing.

Player option vs team option really doesn’t seem like jk is willing to bet on himself. It really shouldn’t matter in the end to him if hes betting on himself. He obviously is trying to secure that 2nd year.

I just don’t get why we don’t want him back at any contract.

JK wants some control even if it seems marginal to you. He would be betting on himself with the QO and have some agency in regards to potential teams he would accept a trade to.

[statsman]

It's too bad Beal wouldn't come to the Warriors and the Warriors offering more than the vet minimum, say $9-10M of the NTMLE (2/20). That would be far more than what the Clippers paid him ($5.354M this season plus a 2nd year). But Beal was going to play for the Clippers no matter what, it seems.

They could have done a S&T for Horford into the SloMo TPE, signed 3-4 vet minimums, and stayed below the 1st apron. In the process, they would have renounced Kuminga, making him an UFA. Then he could play for another team for maybe the NTMLE this season ($14.1M).

[Old_Blue]

JK wants some control even if it seems marginal to you. He would be betting on himself with the QO and have some agency in regards to potential teams he would accept a trade to.

Kuminga needs to sit down and listen very carefully to the wise words of the Rolling Stones. We have been told that the dude wants a "starring role." Ain't gonna be with the Dubs. But, fine. However, Kuminga's not in a position to dictate whether that starring role is in Manhattan or Toronto or anywhere else. Seriously, at 22 and having accomplished as little as he has, who the hell does Kuminga think he is? Personally, I'm questioning his sanity and thinking there's an even money chance that Kuminga's out of the League completely before he hits 30. And, the crazy thing is that it won't have to do with his physical skill set. It'll be entirely because he's apparently got rocks for brains. Call it Patrick McCaw Syndrome.

Watch on YouTube

[Onus]

Jonathan Kuminga Prefers $7.9M Qualifying Offer Over Warriors' Current Terms

Not surprising, but yuck. Looking more and more like we're going to have a disgruntled guy sitting the whole season on the bench and taking up ~$8M. Kerr didn't like him and didn't trust him before, I doubt he lets him see any meaningful time now. It's a bad look for the Warriors and a bad look for JK. If the Warriors are telling him they're going to trade him and he wants out that badly, why is he carping about being traded mid-season, or a 2nd year team option? On the other hand, why not just give him a second-year player option, or just a second year with no option? It's clear he's not going to want to stay anyway, it's clear the Warriors will do everything to trade him ASAP, and it doesn't seem like a deal-killer for a trade (presumably a team acquiring him is interested in him staying).

Jk is bluffing.

Player option vs team option really doesn’t seem like jk is willing to bet on himself. It really shouldn’t matter in the end to him if hes betting on himself. He obviously is trying to secure that 2nd year.

I just don’t get why we don’t want him back at any contract.

JK wants some control even if it seems marginal to you. He would be betting on himself with the QO and have some agency in regards to potential teams he would accept a trade to.

Who cares he’s going to be a free agent regardless next season. Without his bird rights anyone that trades for him doesn’t have the ability to sign him for more. Hes an ufa regardless next season. There is no potential agency or willingness to accept a trade.

It’s actually very likely that he makes more on the 2nd year than he would in free agency next year. There’s not likely to be a lot of money next year either. Which is why he’s trying to get that 2nd year guaranteed or his option.

[Bayside]

JK wants some control even if it seems marginal to you. He would be betting on himself with the QO and have some agency in regards to potential teams he would accept a trade to.

Kuminga needs to sit down and listen very carefully to the wise words of the Rolling Stones. We have been told that the dude wants a "starring role." Ain't gonna be with the Dubs. But, fine. However, Kuminga's not in a position to dictate whether that starring role is in Manhattan or Toronto or anywhere else. Seriously, at 22 and having accomplished as little as he has, who the hell does Kuminga think he is? Personally, I'm questioning his sanity and thinking there's an even money chance that Kuminga's out of the League completely before he hits 30. And, the crazy thing is that it won't have to do with his physical skill set. It'll be entirely because he's apparently got rocks for brains. Call it Patrick McCaw Syndrome.

Watch on YouTube

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I agree, he seems a bit out to lunch. He reminds me of spreewell. Turning down all offers. Classic pride before the fall. With Sprewell it was the infamous " How will I feed my families" and turning down a contract. He was out of the league after that, because of his behaviors vs talent. Kuminga's pride has interfered with good sense. I dont know what the defining comment from him will be, I am sure he has provided a few, but again its his behaviors vs talent. Banking on himself is one thing, but most adults will have made conclusions about his talent vs behavior by now, and made value judgments. He fails to see how other clubs might view all this. A while back I read some pretty damning off the court stuff, that soon was scrubbed. And those comments even made it more similar. JK takes way more oxygen than he ever deserved. ANd has never shown that he can work on a team, or make good reads on or off the court. Sure the anger management issue people on here, will find something to disparge, because they do about everything and then twist back.. whatever, I stand by this statement on him, and I think it all rings valid. His talent does not grant anyone this level of baggage. It doesnt. And us fans do not know anything really as PR teams scrub these players and try to present them as descent.

[Bayside]

You're racist thanks for being transparent, how do you block posters? Mods we're okay with this? I've been banned for saying Chum buckets....

Not living in the states, I am not sure how your the 2nd person who says this. Its almost like people dont remember spreewell. Wasnt it him who said this? . I am not going to go look it up. Think it was spreewell the guy who choked the coach. Turned down his contract saying he needed more to feed his family. Thought people would get the reference , guess not and it offended people. Was not my intention, But go on think whatever you want.

Racism is offensive, plenty of good reasons as to why.

The fact that you don't live here doesn't make you not racist. It's weird how people from predominantly white places, use this as an argument. All I said is, you should be careful about what kind of tropes you fall for. You were not very careful and are now trying to deflect. Don't.

Perhaps spend a few minutes thinking about why it was JK that you confused as having multiple kids and not podz (another player that has made wild comments about his skillset). Or why you chose to analogize jk to spreewell, someone who was a poster child for felonious behavior with someone you've never seen or hear about doing anything inappropriate. The "I was just making a reference" part only indicates you haven't looked beyond the surface.

I do like jk, but less as a player and more as a potential player. My biggest gripe has been his various roles and his lack of development in his shooting. You have been reading this "for weeks" and decided to jump in from the top rope with "multiple kids" and "feeding his family." Just take a breath and try to understand how that looks.

I fail to see how I am comparing JK to Spreewell makes me a racist. I stated my location, because I stuggled to understand how anyone could not be seeing the comparison to spreewell. Think its an age thing and if you were a fan back then. Good job keeping the thread going with your admiration for JK. But your wrong about everything, as you are in your criticsim of me. Now I know why all the old posters are gone. The engagment is aggressive and offputing.

[Twinkie defense]

why not just give him a second-year player option, or just a second year with no option?

The Warriors are planning on most likely keeping Kuminga for a very short time - until October? February? Next summer? And for that short time that can pay him $8 mil. They are willing to pay him a minimum of an extra $13 mil though for the privilege of maintaining a higher salary slot to use for another player. That also gives Kuminga a higher base salary to build on with his next contract.

On the other hand the Warriors incur more risk by guaranteeing that second year - what if he's not worth it? Then Warriors are stuck with him next season, too, or have to attach assets to move his salary? It's not like there's a bunch of teams clamoring to sign Kuminga - in fact over the two seasons in the deal Warriors have offered Kuminga more money than either of his suitors. Why isn't that enough?

Warriors probably feel they are being pretty generous to Kuminga just to maintain a $21 mil salary slot. Why would they give him yet more? What is Kuminga offering to encourage them to give more? The threat of the Warriors losing that salary slot, that's it

[Twinkie defense]

Player option vs team option really doesn’t seem like jk is willing to bet on himself. It really shouldn’t matter in the end to him if hes betting on himself. He obviously is trying to secure that 2nd year.

I agree, but in some fantasy scenario I guess Kuminga could be thinking, when people see me play this season they're gonna want to give me a max contract, why should I have to play for $23 mil?

But then that doesn't explain why he was ok signing for Phoenix and Sacramento for less

[wco81]

JK needs to talk to Schroeder and Noel about leaving money on the table.