Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Westside Gunn]

He can't hit the corner 3. He needs to refine that in a situation where he'll get shots. We won't start him over RJ because of politics and trade value reasons. Is that easy enough to understand?

Lol we are not gonna bench CMB and start RJ because of "politics".

RJ was not drafted by our team, nor has he been extended, nor is our president even the same as when we acquired him.

If we want to bring RJ off the bench... we will. And that will be that.

RJ is a addition by subtraction player that no one wants. If we bench him we are essentially stuck with him or will need to attach picks to get off his contract.

We tried offering 9th and RJ for Holiday and were told to screw off. That's pretty eye opening. We aren't competitive and unless CMB or another bench player makes us much better in combination with our other starters RJ will start and it's 100% about trade value.

The only way we get better now is from trades. Internally developing a bunch of 2nd rounders isn't getting us far.

That "toxic asset" reputation has stuck with him to this day i guess

[Los_29]

He can't hit the corner 3. He needs to refine that in a situation where he'll get shots. We won't start him over RJ because of politics and trade value reasons. Is that easy enough to understand?

Lol we are not gonna bench CMB and start RJ because of "politics".

RJ was not drafted by our team, nor has he been extended, nor is our president even the same as when we acquired him.

If we want to bring RJ off the bench... we will. And that will be that.

RJ is a addition by subtraction player that no one wants. If we bench him we are essentially stuck with him or will need to attach picks to get off his contract.

We tried offering 9th and RJ for Holiday and were told to screw off. That's pretty eye opening. We aren't competitive and unless CMB or another bench player makes us much better in combination with our other starters RJ will start and it's 100% about trade value.

The only way we get better now is from trades. Internally developing a bunch of 2nd rounders isn't getting us far.

lol we didn’t offer the 9th pick and RJ for Jrue Holiday. Let’s try to use common sense here.

[Tripod]

Lol we are not gonna bench CMB and start RJ because of "politics".

RJ was not drafted by our team, nor has he been extended, nor is our president even the same as when we acquired him.

If we want to bring RJ off the bench... we will. And that will be that.

RJ is a addition by subtraction player that no one wants. If we bench him we are essentially stuck with him or will need to attach picks to get off his contract.

We tried offering 9th and RJ for Holiday and were told to screw off. That's pretty eye opening. We aren't competitive and unless CMB or another bench player makes us much better in combination with our other starters RJ will start and it's 100% about trade value.

The only way we get better now is from trades. Internally developing a bunch of 2nd rounders isn't getting us far.

That "toxic asset" reputation has stuck with him to this day i guess

That actually didn't happen.

We offered it for White and it somehow got changed for Holiday.

Unless people REALLY think Boston would rather Simmons vs RJ+9. Yes Boston wants to cut money but they would gladly take the extra year to add a top 10 pick.

Use common sense.

[dTox]

It was for White, not Holiday

[YogurtProducer]

It was for White, not Holiday

I swore some of the rumours had both included

[dTox]

It was for White, not Holiday

I swore some of the rumours had both included

Depends on how credible you think Jake Fisher is I suppose.

[Yallbecrazy]

It was for White, not Holiday

It also could have been dependent on who was available. Maybe they liked CMB or someone who went ahead of CMB and wouldn't have done the deal unless those guys were picked ahead of #9.

[MEDIC]

So what does everyone think of a PF with Julius Randle offense & Draymond Green defense & IQ?

Are people happy with that as a ceiling?

[Basketball_Jones]

So what does everyone think of a PF with Julius Randle offense & Draymond Green defense & IQ?

Are people happy with that as a ceiling?

That’s pretty close to superstar lol

[canada_dry]

Prime thad young with even better defense?

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[Godaddycurse]

Prime thad young with even better defense?

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[DreamTeam09]

Prime thad young with even better defense?

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Prime Thad young 15 9 1ast 1.4stl / age 27 or 17 n 6 2ast 2stl / age 25
One yr was on 30% from 3 the other was on the mid 20s

CMB projects to be a better passer & more stocks, more versatile on defense

Not a bad take by any means tho

[canada_dry]

Prime thad young with even better defense?

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Prime Thad young 15 9 1ast 1.4stl / age 27 or 17 n 6 2ast 2stl / age 25
One yr was on 30% from 3 the other was on the mid 20s

CMB projects to be a better passer & more stocks, more versatile on defense

Not a bad take by any means tho

More of a floor.

6'8 240 forward plays strong , active hands defensively with a iffy jumper.

I know its not a sexy comp compared to the names being thrown out... but it might be a lot more realistic than some of the HOF comps where we're just creating a Frankenstein player using the best attributes of each HOF player CMB is being compared to ...

EDIT: I mean i AM adding more defense to my comp so im not immune from it either i guess

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[earthtone]

Lol we are not gonna bench CMB and start RJ because of "politics".

RJ was not drafted by our team, nor has he been extended, nor is our president even the same as when we acquired him.

If we want to bring RJ off the bench... we will. And that will be that.

RJ is a addition by subtraction player that no one wants. If we bench him we are essentially stuck with him or will need to attach picks to get off his contract.

We tried offering 9th and RJ for Holiday and were told to screw off. That's pretty eye opening. We aren't competitive and unless CMB or another bench player makes us much better in combination with our other starters RJ will start and it's 100% about trade value.

The only way we get better now is from trades. Internally developing a bunch of 2nd rounders isn't getting us far.

That "toxic asset" reputation has stuck with him to this day i guess

The toxic asset “reputation” is so overblown, out of context, and really not applicable after what he’s shown in his year & half as a Raptor.

Full context was:

”…I've always said if there's a continuum of RJ Barrett optimism and pessimism and over here on the pessimistic side is like 'He just stinks. He's a toxic asset.' That is a word that got thrown out yesterday in my conversations with front office people and coaches. Toxic asset. Like you're swallowing his contract.

To, on the other end, future All-Star RJ Barrett. I'm like in the 68th percentile toward positive. Maybe the 73rd percentile toward positive. I think RJ Barrett has a chance to be a good NBA player. And, in fact, has been for large stretches of his career.”

This was before he doubled his assist rate and became a positive player by advanced metrics for the first time in his career.

[CPT]

So what does everyone think of a PF with Julius Randle offense & Draymond Green defense & IQ?

Are people happy with that as a ceiling?

That’s like a top 50 all-time player, so okay, I guess.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I don't know if it's just the 7'1" reach. But he looks a lot like Kawhi on the defensive end.

[Thaddy]

Yes, because obviously GMs are to stupid to properly evaluate players and only look to if a player is a starter or a bench player.

That just isn’t how the league works. There’s also the entire other side of the coin where we use RJ off the bench, he has a career year in a better fitting role, and his value increases.

It’s not like teams will refuse to trade for a productive bench piece

What 28M dollar bench pieces do you see in the league with positive trade value

Don’t you see how your argument makes no sense? Here’s what you’ve argued:

1) RJ has no trade value in part because of the rumored Jrue deal. This lack of value was determined from RJ BEING A STARTER

2) RJ will have no value if RJ comes off the bench

You’ve already said RJ has no value as a starter. Why would it then matter if we brought him off the bench?

According to you he has no value as a starter or bench player so why does it matter where we play him?

Keeping him as a starter and hoping he improves and continues to look better is the best chance of maximizing his trade value. There's a slight possibility that can happen. Benching him will kill his confidence similar to what happened with GTJ. It makes a ton of sense.

[YogurtProducer]

What 28M dollar bench pieces do you see in the league with positive trade value

Don’t you see how your argument makes no sense? Here’s what you’ve argued:

1) RJ has no trade value in part because of the rumored Jrue deal. This lack of value was determined from RJ BEING A STARTER

2) RJ will have no value if RJ comes off the bench

You’ve already said RJ has no value as a starter. Why would it then matter if we brought him off the bench?

According to you he has no value as a starter or bench player so why does it matter where we play him?

Keeping him as a starter and hoping he improves and continues to look better is the best chance of maximizing his trade value. There's a slight possibility that can happen. Benching him will kill his confidence similar to what happened with GTJ. It makes a ton of sense.

GTJ was a more efficient player off the bench in 2022/23, and was more efficient ass a starter in 2023/24.

There’s no real evidence we “killed GTJs confidence”.

[ATLTimekeeper]

It was for White, not Holiday

It also could have been dependent on who was available. Maybe they liked CMB or someone who went ahead of CMB and wouldn't have done the deal unless those guys were picked ahead of #9.

Holiday ended up being damaged goods, so the deal would have been rescinded if that was the offer. It's easier to return 2nds than someone that has already been drafted for another team.

Given the framing of the White rumour, it sounds more like the kind of thing Zach Lowe writes to carry water for his Celtics' buddies. When he writes stuff like, 'hung up laughing' it's someone telling him to print exactly that and it portrays White's value artificially high to the league. Why would anyone give up a top 10 pick for Derrick White at his $$$ and age? Masai was chasing Giannis and Durant, and as soon as Giannis said he was staying with the Bucks he was officially fired by Pelley. The Raptors reportedly wouldn't give up Poeltl for Durant. But they would give up #9 for White? Doesn't seem believable.

Given that we didn't entertain the Pelicans offer, I think the Raptors were probably uninterested in trading this pick once Masai was removed from the decision-making process. The Suns war room leak gives an inside view that we weren't looking at Maluach at all. They must have had a very good idea that CMB would be there.

[Basketball_Jones]

Honestly, if it was Masai wanting to trade the pick and RJ for Derrick White I’m pretty glad he’s gone lol. Celtics probably should have done it too if true and they are punting this season.