Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated

[bonita_the_frog]

How is that when he only played 6 more seasons in Miami?

Blood clotting condition that caused recurring blood clots in his lungs.

And you don’t think this would occur if he stayed in Toronto? Im not following

Nobody knows, because blood clots "can form due to a variety of factors, including injuries, medical conditions, and lifestyle choices".

[cpower]

I dont think he is underrated. Between him, Brand, Marion, LMA , Griffin, JO, Amare, Love, his toronto days performance is probably in the middle, definitely not ahead of Marion/Love/Griffin , probably ahead of LMA/JO but he has more all star appearance than any of them..

[kenwood3333]

He was a star, he was better than your average role players, but he is at least a level below Wade and James.

[XTC]

Lots of revisionist history here. Miami Bosh and Toronto Bosh where two completely different players. One was a super role player doing all the little things, and the other was respectfully a guy who played to pad his stats.

Bosh in Toronto was a good scorer, but if he wasn't getting the whistle or respect from the refs his offensive impact was minimal, because he never became a good passer. His value was drawing fouls, and hitting mid range jumpers. If he was having an off day he became super passive because he didnt want to kill his efficiency.

Defensively he was average in Toronto. He became a better defender in Miami, but he was absolutely not that guy in Toronto. It was the most frustrating part of his game.

Quite frankly Bosh in Toronto was kind of a stat padder, and dissapointing. He was more interested in averaging 20 PPG, than working on his defense + passing. There's a reason why his team never advanced past the first round in the playoffs. Ill honestly never forget him getting punked by Mikki Moore. Bosh was in his perfect role in Miami. He was a third fiddle who could step up, space the floor, and play defense. No team was doing damage with Bosh as their top 2 option, look at the Miami Heat post Lebron who had a record of 19-25 when Bosh played in 14/15, and 29-24 in 15/16.

[og15]

Bosh looks like a better scorer than any of the big men of the 21st Century other then Jokic. Way smoother than Embiid.

Come on, let's not overdo it here, and these are multiple season highlights, you should watch Joel highlights lol

[Black Jack]

Seems like the opposite actually.

[Johnny Bball]

I don't think you need to be a top 10 first option to be an all-star.

[Loneshot]

You had me at the title, lost me with saying Lebron essentially neutered Bosh's game.

[MavsDirk41]

I dont think his tenure in Toronto was necessarily underrated. He was a multi-year all star prior to going to Miami so he got his flowers. He was certainly very talented, especially offensively. If he is your 3rd best player you had some serious talent on your team though.

[NZB2323]

He was a star but not a superstar.

[og15]

Big Bosh fan. Bosh's limitations was that he was not a playmaker, his offensive impact for the team was limited to how much he scored and also some spacing impact from the mid-range for the time. Defensively in Toronto he was okay, but nothing special. He also had struggles against physicality and the playoffs were not friendly to him, but his team makeup didn't help in that aspect.

Bosh was a tier 2 star, All-Star but not superstar talent. He won't lead your team too far if he's your best / highest impact player, but he could compliment a higher impact guy very well.

It seems like people generally regard Bosh higher than a guy like , for example, LaMarcus Aldridge. LMA I Portland could be sort of what Bosh's career would look like impact wise if he stayed with Toronto or a similar situation, and if so, going to Miami actually helped him.

We talk about him more than we likely would with an Aldridge like career, and Miami helped people see that he could be a higher impact defensive player, something he wasn't recognized for in Toronto and wouldn't be parading as a first option.

I don't know, I'm not sure his Toronto tenure is actually that underrated, because it depends on what people take from looking at that time. Having him as a third best guy though is huge, and I would say what is more underrated is his ability to take on and fit into what was basically a very different role.

The people who were (and are) always talking about his ppg and stuff, to me still don't get how team basketball works.

[3ddman23]

Not to people to understand and follow NBA basketball deeply. He used to kill the magic when he was on the raptors so I know all too well just how good he was with the raptors lol.

[The Master]

Lots of revisionist history here. Miami Bosh and Toronto Bosh where two completely different players. One was a super role player doing all the little things, and the other was respectfully a guy who played to pad his stats.

Bosh in Toronto was a good scorer, but if he wasn't getting the whistle or respect from the refs his offensive impact was minimal, because he never became a good passer. His value was drawing fouls, and hitting mid range jumpers. If he was having an off day he became super passive because he didnt want to kill his efficiency.

Defensively he was average in Toronto. He became a better defender in Miami, but he was absolutely not that guy in Toronto. It was the most frustrating part of his game.

I don't know if I would go as far to call him a stat-padder during his Toronto days, but I agree he's not 'underrated' by any means.

During his Toronto tenure (since his 2nd year): 2.6 BPM with +6.7 on/off on -1.0 SRS team - I guess his production and stats scale for a borderline/legit all-star territory at that time in respective seasons. So that's basically what was his reputation and accolades. Not necessarily a championship-level player in terms of his style of play, as he was a scoring-first player at that time, what rapidly changed once he joined Heat - that's for sure.

It's a revisionism to argue that he was somehow limited by LeBron in Miami: Bosh just wasn't a good enough passer to give him more touches, 3.0 AST and 3.0 TOV per100 possessions in his career, with LeBron and Wade on your team, for a 57.1%TS scorer? Yeah, it is so understandable his offensive role was very limited. You need a synergy from your high-volume guys and there's no synergy with a player lacking passing skills if you play him on-ball.

Actually, Bosh's career is quite transparent in what he could've achieved as a 1st option/as a part of championship team.

I'd rather argue that he's overall rather overrated, there were times he was destroyed in h2h matchup by Roy Hibbert of all people, or his 0pts performance in G7 of the NBA finals with foul trouble, or him getting injured in 2012 what nearly resulted in Heat getting eliminated by the Celtics. There's a lot to be said about his actual impact during b2b Heatless era.

So naah, I don't see this underrated angle at all. Still a strong ~top75-top100 career ever.

[adubmac]

Overrated. He was a great secondary/third piece.

But he’s not that guy you want to build around at all though. Dorkus mlorcus. Good enough to get you in the playoffs just to get swept.

Thank god we got Lowry and Derozan.

DeRozan had to leave and Lowry had to be carried by Kawhi for us to be a legit contender and ultimately a champion. If you gave Bosh, Pascal, Kawhi, Gasol and a super powered VanVleet, he would've delivered the same.

[HMFFL]

Bosh looks like a better scorer than any of the big men of the 21st Century other then Jokic. Way smoother than Embiid.

Absoutely not.
Chris Bosh was never the force Embiid is/was on offense. What both have in common is that their teams aren't champions with them as #1 options.

[azcatz11]

He was a star but not a superstar.

He was a superstar in Toronto. People expected him and wade to win championships even before LeBron showed up.

[HMFFL]

He was a star but not a superstar.

He was a superstar in Toronto. People expected him and wade to win championships even before LeBron showed up.

I don't remember anybody expecting Chris Bosh and DWade to win a championship without Lebron James. Apparently, just you, so there is one person.

It was clear at the time that Lebron James was joining Miami before it was announced, because the Vegas odds skyrocketed, suggesting he would be a Miami Heat, and Lebron wasn't going to be a Cav, after he gave up on his team in the playoffs.

Chris Bosh and Wade never win a chip without Lebron.

[LarsV8]

Very underrated.

I feel like people should have given him the same respect they gave LMA.

[HMFFL]

Very underrated.

I feel like people should have given him the same respect they gave LMA.

LMA was always dependable.
The draft day trade made me cringe because it was a steal for Portland. Even at the time.

[Pointgod]

One of the more frustrating narratives of late is the suggestion that the Heatles Big 3 in Miami was not a true superteam because Bosh wasn't a star player.

Chris Bosh was a beast back in Georgia Tech and in Toronto.

He formed a super team in Miami, took a backseat to LeBron, suffered career ending illness -- and his legacy ultimately suffered despite all the winning.

But CB4 was nice as hell.
And he'd thrive in today's game.

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24,11,2 and 1.5 stocks the season before he went to Miami. He made an all NBA team a couple seasons before that. Only LeBron stand act like Bosh wasn’t a star because they don’t want to acknowledge their King needed a stacked deck to win