Kuminga sign and trade Bulls interest

[Indomitable]

Somebody solved how to get Kuminga

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/warriors-land-josh-giddey-blockbuster-182913563.html

Golden State Warriors Receive: Josh Giddey, Nikola Vucevic, Ayo Dosunmu, 2028 first-round pick (CHI)

Chicago Bulls Receive: Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody

Holy hell sco. I can't believe you posted that without commentary on how awful it is.

An obvious Warriors fan creation. This does nothing for us.

They had nerve to actually get a draft pick. We will be under the salary cap nexts season. We could just let Kuminga no we got him. Through his representatives.

Why would we do this?

[nomorezorro]

we wouldn't, and crucially, we could not even if we wanted to

[dougthonus]

we wouldn't, and crucially, we could not even if we wanted to

You can't do the trade listed, but you can make one work relatively easily.

The bigger problem is that neither team would want to meet the salary demands of the other team's player if they aren't going to meet the salary demands of their guy.

But for the sake of science: Kuminga was reportedly willing to take 22.3M starting salary with the Kings (reportedly) for 3 years, then using that as a base, here is a working example:

Bulls:
In: Kuminga (22.3M), Moody 11.3M (into TPE) - Need to send back 14.8M total to match Kuminga
Out: Giddey (10M+), Terry (5.4M) = 17.9M (trade satisfied for outgoing salary)

Warriors:
In: Giddey (20M-30M), Terry (TP MLE) 15-18M - must send out at least
Out: Kuminga, Moody (22.6M total, matches Giddey up to 30M starting salary)

Could add in picks without impacting anything, could possibly work in other variations, but they need to mostly be salary neutral as the key here is squeezing players into the exceptions to overcome the BYC gap.

[nomorezorro]

oh yeah i just meant that specific trade was literally financially impossible.

but even in your example, the warriors have to burn the TPMLE (which they are presumably saving to use on al horford) and hard capping themselves at the first apron with 4 more roster spots to fill and probably less than $6m of wiggle room. and that's before you bother to wade into whether it even makes sense from a basketball perspective.

it's just a really really hard to work situation, to the point that i truly do not think it merits even thinking about

[sco]

So does anyone here genuinely believe that the Bulls are or will be pursuing Kuminga?

[ChiTownHero1992]

So does anyone here genuinely believe that the Bulls are or will be pursuing Kuminga?

Hard to say, logically it makes absolute zero sense to bring him in with the abundance of players at the same position as Kuminga already.

So naturally, it seems likely that this no-brained FO would be interested in bringing him in. They've changed from their overabundance of PGs to the overabundance of "positionless" lengthy wing-forwards

[pipfan]

If it were PWill/Port pick for Kuminga, great.
Vuc as well

But NO WAY we involve Giddey

[dougthonus]

oh yeah i just meant that specific trade was literally financially impossible.

but even in your example, the warriors have to burn the TPMLE (which they are presumably saving to use on al horford) and hard capping themselves at the first apron with 4 more roster spots to fill and probably less than $6m of wiggle room. and that's before you bother to wade into whether it even makes sense from a basketball perspective.

it's just a really really hard to work situation, to the point that i truly do not think it merits even thinking about

I agree it doesn't merit discussion, it's nuts to think that either side would do this deal.

[dougthonus]

So does anyone here genuinely believe that the Bulls are or will be pursuing Kuminga?

No:
1: Two teams have made reported offers to Kuminga that he would accept. The Suns and Kings. The Bulls have not.
2: The Bulls haven't been mentioned in a long time in any meaningful way with Kuminga while the above teams have (ie Kuminga news is fresh and meaningful still, but we aren't in it)
3: The Bulls likely wouldn't offer something more than what the Warriors rejected from the Kings from a trade perspective
4: He doesn't remotely fit here with any of our players on our roster as a whole
5: He plays the same position as the most important developmental piece that looked like he had star potential last year

[MrFortune3]

The Warriors screwed themselves on Kuminga's trade value. Few teams have money to burn at this juncture and even fewer will be willing to trade for him when the demand does not match the value.

Kuminga is likely hitting the FA market next year he will get major interest. As it stands, why would any team offer major value for him when it's plain as day obvious that the Warriors and he are headed for a messy divorce?

[DuckIII]

So does anyone here genuinely believe that the Bulls are or will be pursuing Kuminga?

No:
1: Two teams have made reported offers to Kuminga that he would accept. The Suns and Kings. The Bulls have not.
2: The Bulls haven't been mentioned in a long time in any meaningful way with Kuminga while the above teams have (ie Kuminga news is fresh and meaningful still, but we aren't in it)
3: The Bulls likely wouldn't offer something more than what the Warriors rejected from the Kings from a trade perspective
4: He doesn't remotely fit here with any of our players on our roster as a whole
5: He plays the same position as the most important developmental piece that looked like he had star potential last year

At the very beginning, if only because of AK’s track record, this seemed like something that was at least a possibility. But with the passage of time it seems pretty clear the Bulls never had any interest in Kuminga.

Outside of the earlier reports, I think about Kuminga on the Bulls about as much as I think about Giddey not being on the Bulls - which is not at all.

[League Circles]

IMO, the only interest the Bulls ever may have had, which might even be false, was very likely only in a relatively short term deal (2 years probably, maybe even with a TO for year 2 like the Jabari Parker and Niko Mirotic deals), and only in a sign and trade involving Vuc or Patrick Williams. I could see the Bulls being willing to pay Kuminga a few million more per year than Patrick but for fewer years. That probably never gained any traction and his agent has probably been driving the talk of Bulls interest since then.

[coldfish]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls called GS and discussed a package around Vucevic. When GS asked for a far better package that was probably the end of the conversation.

[Evil_Headband]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls called GS and discussed a package around Vucevic. When GS asked for a far better package that was probably the end of the conversation.

I think they could have talked to them about Ball as well. Most of the reports about the Bulls possibly being interested stopped after the Okoro trade.

[ChettheJet]

seeing this

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281649/Jonathan-Kuminga-Prefers-$79M-Qualifying-Offer-Over-Warriors-Current-Terms

There's no way you want to get closer than the proverbial 10 foot pole from this guy. You can say he is betting on himself to get a big payday but there have been too many instances where players passed on a contract they thought wasn't big enough, took the short deal for small change and ended up in the merry-go-round of taking minimal one year offers and never getting the opportunity to cash in. If he's even close to as good as he imagines take the 2 year deal, maybe the GSW get a trade offer or not and that max deal will come in 2 years, why take the short money to hope for max after one?

[dougthonus]

seeing this

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281649/Jonathan-Kuminga-Prefers-$79M-Qualifying-Offer-Over-Warriors-Current-Terms

There's no way you want to get closer than the proverbial 10 foot pole from this guy. You can say he is betting on himself to get a big payday but there have been too many instances where players passed on a contract they thought wasn't big enough, took the short deal for small change and ended up in the merry-go-round of taking minimal one year offers and never getting the opportunity to cash in. If he's even close to as good as he imagines take the 2 year deal, maybe the GSW get a trade offer or not and that max deal will come in 2 years, why take the short money to hope for max after one?

Likely because he's full of crap and is bluffing with the only bluff he has.

It would be impossibly stupid to take the QO over the two year deal. The two year guarantees him about as much as near the max he could make over those same two years if he got a max deal the next off-season which is likely why it was priced that way.

[GimmeDat]

Could someone give me the tl;dr on this situation?

- Is the only way Giddey could go to the Warriors if he was s&t'd for Kuminga?
- From what I can tell, even that would require a specific amount of additions from them to make it work under the cap?
- Does it make sense for either roster?
- Is there a gauge on how likely any of this is? Was this just another one of those reported 'inquiries' with no substance?
- Do those players (Giddey GSW, Kuminga Bulls) even fit on those rosters?

My finger isn't as on the pulse these days so would appreciate someone explaining where things are at. From what I can tell, neither player has a better fit on the other team.. GSW are full of connectors, Bulls have had enough empty scorers over the years.

[nomorezorro]

it's almost impossible to work a giddey/kuminga double s&t financially, it doesn't really make basketball sense, there's no substance to the rumor beyond "golden state has conceptual interest in josh giddey," it's not likely at all and you almost certainly don't have to waste any more energy looking into the possibility

[sco]

Could someone give me the tl;dr on this situation?

- Is the only way Giddey could go to the Warriors if he was s&t'd for Kuminga?
- From what I can tell, even that would require a specific amount of additions from them to make it work under the cap?
- Does it make sense for either roster?
- Is there a gauge on how likely any of this is? Was this just another one of those reported 'inquiries' with no substance?
- Do those players (Giddey GSW, Kuminga Bulls) even fit on those rosters?

My finger isn't as on the pulse these days so would appreciate someone explaining where things are at. From what I can tell, neither player has a better fit on the other team.. GSW are full of connectors, Bulls have had enough empty scorers over the years.

GS (and other teams) approached Giddey's agent to express "interest", but according to Fischer, no team (including GS) wants to approach the Bulls because the Bulls have supposedly let it be known that they have no interest in trading him in a S&T and would match offers.

Maybe teams are trying to cajole Giddey into taking the QO?

Bulls haven't been rumored to have any recent interest in Kuminga...it's been Kuminga's camp trying to get the Bulls to express interest to bump up his value and/or send him somewhere he'd likely start and play a big role.

[kulaz3000]

Kuminga is looking like he will take the QO, and then bail next season.

There is just no market for him and if there was one, GS would have done what they could to have received some sort of asset in return. All the rumors about interest, just smells like his agent trying to garner interest from teams that may have been interested at some point or another.

I still think he is young enough, talented enough, to take a chance on, even at around the 25 million per mark, however, not at the expense of trading away additional players like Ayo or Coby, let alone a future pick. The return of players would need to be on the level of Vuc or other bench players, with no picks in return.

Either way, the relationship between Kuminga is strained, he is not going to be with them long term, it's just a matter of whether they get something for him now, or lose him for nothing.