Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated

[Handlez]

The most underrated part about Bosh...

He became an elite, and possibly at the time, the best switching big man on defense while with Miami. He was incredibly good at defending the small in the pick and roll game.

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Bosh looks like a better scorer than any of the big men of the 21st Century other then Jokic. Way smoother than Embiid.

Aaaaaand we overcorrected

[Lockdown504090]

Lots of revisionist history here. Miami Bosh and Toronto Bosh where two completely different players. One was a super role player doing all the little things, and the other was respectfully a guy who played to pad his stats.

Bosh in Toronto was a good scorer, but if he wasn't getting the whistle or respect from the refs his offensive impact was minimal, because he never became a good passer. His value was drawing fouls, and hitting mid range jumpers. If he was having an off day he became super passive because he didnt want to kill his efficiency.

Defensively he was average in Toronto. He became a better defender in Miami, but he was absolutely not that guy in Toronto. It was the most frustrating part of his game.

Quite frankly Bosh in Toronto was kind of a stat padder, and dissapointing. He was more interested in averaging 20 PPG, than working on his defense + passing. There's a reason why his team never advanced past the first round in the playoffs. Ill honestly never forget him getting punked by Mikki Moore. Bosh was in his perfect role in Miami. He was a third fiddle who could step up, space the floor, and play defense. No team was doing damage with Bosh as their top 2 option, look at the Miami Heat post Lebron who had a record of 19-25 when Bosh played in 14/15, and 29-24 in 15/16.

Watch on YouTube

This is who you're talking about... thats what he did to try to avoid going down 3-1.

[Iwasawitness]

Lots of revisionist history here. Miami Bosh and Toronto Bosh where two completely different players. One was a super role player doing all the little things, and the other was respectfully a guy who played to pad his stats.

Bosh in Toronto was a good scorer, but if he wasn't getting the whistle or respect from the refs his offensive impact was minimal, because he never became a good passer. His value was drawing fouls, and hitting mid range jumpers. If he was having an off day he became super passive because he didnt want to kill his efficiency.

Defensively he was average in Toronto. He became a better defender in Miami, but he was absolutely not that guy in Toronto. It was the most frustrating part of his game.

Quite frankly Bosh in Toronto was kind of a stat padder, and dissapointing. He was more interested in averaging 20 PPG, than working on his defense + passing. There's a reason why his team never advanced past the first round in the playoffs. Ill honestly never forget him getting punked by Mikki Moore. Bosh was in his perfect role in Miami. He was a third fiddle who could step up, space the floor, and play defense. No team was doing damage with Bosh as their top 2 option, look at the Miami Heat post Lebron who had a record of 19-25 when Bosh played in 14/15, and 29-24 in 15/16.

Watch on YouTube

This is who you're talking about... thats what he did to try to avoid going down 3-1.

It's one game my guy.

[XTC]

Lots of revisionist history here. Miami Bosh and Toronto Bosh where two completely different players. One was a super role player doing all the little things, and the other was respectfully a guy who played to pad his stats.

Bosh in Toronto was a good scorer, but if he wasn't getting the whistle or respect from the refs his offensive impact was minimal, because he never became a good passer. His value was drawing fouls, and hitting mid range jumpers. If he was having an off day he became super passive because he didnt want to kill his efficiency.

Defensively he was average in Toronto. He became a better defender in Miami, but he was absolutely not that guy in Toronto. It was the most frustrating part of his game.

Quite frankly Bosh in Toronto was kind of a stat padder, and dissapointing. He was more interested in averaging 20 PPG, than working on his defense + passing. There's a reason why his team never advanced past the first round in the playoffs. Ill honestly never forget him getting punked by Mikki Moore. Bosh was in his perfect role in Miami. He was a third fiddle who could step up, space the floor, and play defense. No team was doing damage with Bosh as their top 2 option, look at the Miami Heat post Lebron who had a record of 19-25 when Bosh played in 14/15, and 29-24 in 15/16.

Watch on YouTube

This is who you're talking about... thats what he did to try to avoid going down 3-1.

Great.

In the previous 3 games before that he averaged 21/7/4. Where was he then? He then scored 16/9/3 the very next game which was an elimination game. He also had an on/off +/- of -32.6... that is horrible. He didn't have a good series at all, no matter what the boxscore said. He played soft and timid whenever Dwight was on the floor. Wanna know another stat? The Raps had an DRTG of 118.5 when Bosh was on the court in the 2008 playoffs vs a DRTG of 98.5 when he was sitting.

I watched every single game that series, and what Dwight did to Bosh was criminal. Bosh was supposed to be the man, but he got absolutely clowned on that series. Bosh was scared to even attempt anything in the pain when Dwight was on. Let's not twist history around and pretend he had this great series. Bosh was playing soft and timid, there's a reason why Shaq called him the "Rupaul of big men" the very next season.

Bosh was a 3rd option, all he did was score (and often times holding the ball for too long), and if he wasnt scoring he didnt offer much more. He wasnt a good passer, he wasnt a good defender, and he didn't make his teammates better.

[HMFFL]

The most underrated part about Bosh...

He became an elite, and possibly at the time, the best switching big man on defense while with Miami. He was incredibly good at defending the small in the pick and roll game.

12-13 stands out to me because the Heat defended their title. 2x Champs. It took sacrifice and Chris Bosh was the biggest team first guy for focusing on the teams needs.

[pipfan]

Always said if the Bulls would have gotten Bosh and Boozer went to Miami, the Bulls win the 2011 title

With his propensity for folding in the playoffs against physicality? Unlikely.

He was awesome in that series in 2011, and even though it was only 5 games-it was a tight series (plus, Boozer sucked)

[Peak Brunson]

Bosh looks like a better scorer than any of the big men of the 21st Century other then Jokic. Way smoother than Embiid.

No, he was definitely far worse than Embiid. And wasn't better than Towns. Definitely worse than AD (even before defense)...

Embiid and Towns both look stiff and awkward compared to Bosh. Bosh has a lot more precise footwork, and a quicker 1st step.

I mean, Embiid is at least two inches taller and much stronger. A more apt comparison for bosh would be Anthony Davis if you want closer body types.
Both Embiid and Bosh were not good 1st options, especially because of playmaking and passing limitations, but healthy Embiid is still much better.

[bonita_the_frog]

Bosh looks like a better scorer than any of the big men of the 21st Century other then Jokic. Way smoother than Embiid.

Come on, let's not overdo it here, and these are multiple season highlights, you should watch Joel highlights lol

But Embiid always looks unsteady on his feet, even on his best moves.
Maybe its because he took up basketball late, but i've heard he's got a weak base...

Whereas Bosh has quick and sharp movements, very precise footwork.
And interestingly Bosh has more ferocious dunks than Embiid, despite being lighter.

If you need someone to dunk on a defender with certainty, give the ball to Bosh, not Embiid.
And Bosh would suit today's era perfect, and instead of 24ppg he'd score 30+ppg i predict.

[og15]

Bosh looks like a better scorer than any of the big men of the 21st Century other then Jokic. Way smoother than Embiid.

Come on, let's not overdo it here, and these are multiple season highlights, you should watch Joel highlights lol

But Embiid always looks unsteady on his feet, even on his best moves.
Maybe its because he took up basketball late, but i've heard he's got a weak base...

Whereas Bosh has quick and sharp movements, very precise footwork.
And interestingly Bosh has more ferocious dunks than Embiid, despite being lighter.

If you need someone to dunk on a defender with certainty, give the ball to Bosh, not Embiid.
And Bosh would suit today's era perfect, and instead of 24ppg he'd score 30+ppg i predict.

Embiid is certainly clumsy, but Bosh is in no way a better scorer

Ferocious dunks, come on lol. John Collins has more ferocious dunks thank Jokic, good for him

[Ritzo]

He played in the greatest era of Power Forwards. He got overshadowed by Dirk, TD, Amare, Garnett and Gasol.

[MightyMouse10]

Bosh was a more refined Pascal Siakam. Given the times they waere drafted one focused on post moves the other focused on the three point shot.

All Nba player. Would range between somewhere between top 6-20 on a yearly basis in the NBA in his prime. Capable of being a Bonafide number 2 like KG to Pierce. Would not be able to carry a team to a championship without another top 20 player who was more ball dominant.

[Lockdown504090]

Lots of revisionist history here. Miami Bosh and Toronto Bosh where two completely different players. One was a super role player doing all the little things, and the other was respectfully a guy who played to pad his stats.

Bosh in Toronto was a good scorer, but if he wasn't getting the whistle or respect from the refs his offensive impact was minimal, because he never became a good passer. His value was drawing fouls, and hitting mid range jumpers. If he was having an off day he became super passive because he didnt want to kill his efficiency.

Defensively he was average in Toronto. He became a better defender in Miami, but he was absolutely not that guy in Toronto. It was the most frustrating part of his game.

Quite frankly Bosh in Toronto was kind of a stat padder, and dissapointing. He was more interested in averaging 20 PPG, than working on his defense + passing. There's a reason why his team never advanced past the first round in the playoffs. Ill honestly never forget him getting punked by Mikki Moore. Bosh was in his perfect role in Miami. He was a third fiddle who could step up, space the floor, and play defense. No team was doing damage with Bosh as their top 2 option, look at the Miami Heat post Lebron who had a record of 19-25 when Bosh played in 14/15, and 29-24 in 15/16.

Watch on YouTube

This is who you're talking about... thats what he did to try to avoid going down 3-1.

Great.

In the previous 3 games before that he averaged 21/7/4. Where was he then? He then scored 16/9/3 the very next game which was an elimination game. He also had an on/off +/- of -32.6... that is horrible. He didn't have a good series at all, no matter what the boxscore said. He played soft and timid whenever Dwight was on the floor. Wanna know another stat? The Raps had an DRTG of 118.5 when Bosh was on the court in the 2008 playoffs vs a DRTG of 98.5 when he was sitting.

I watched every single game that series, and what Dwight did to Bosh was criminal. Bosh was supposed to be the man, but he got absolutely clowned on that series. Bosh was scared to even attempt anything in the pain when Dwight was on. Let's not twist history around and pretend he had this great series. Bosh was playing soft and timid, there's a reason why Shaq called him the "Rupaul of big men" the very next season.

Bosh was a 3rd option, all he did was score (and often times holding the ball for too long), and if he wasnt scoring he didnt offer much more. He wasnt a good passer, he wasnt a good defender, and he didn't make his teammates better.

#2 guys are often what you describe in terms of offensive game( jaylen brown, pg, kyrie, lamarcus, siakam, even kd depending on your opinion of the warriors.) guys like that you want to find them a good matchup and have them attack and generate decent offense that allows you to put more defense on the floor. I undedrstand the defensive rating, but i literally watched the whole game 2 of the magic series just now, and jose calderon fell down twice and bosh is playing a suprising amount of the 5 because bargnani is unplayable. Im seeing decent closeouts on lewis, and him struggling with dwight. im not sure im seeing evidence that the version of bosh in his last year in toronto wasnt a capabale of doing what the players i mention above were doing minus kd. )

[CzBoobie]

Bosh was a more refined Pascal Siakam. Given the times they waere drafted one focused on post moves the other focused on the three point shot.

All Nba player. Would range between somewhere between top 6-20 on a yearly basis in the NBA in his prime. Capable of being a Bonafide number 2 like KG to Pierce. Would not be able to carry a team to a championship without another top 20 player who was more ball dominant.

He was all-nba once in his career who made playoffs twice in Toronto yet some people act like he was a superstar. Top 20 is about right, top 6 is crazy.

[God Squad]

He was a star but not a superstar.

He was a superstar in Toronto. People expected him and wade to win championships even before LeBron showed up.

I don't remember anybody expecting Chris Bosh and DWade to win a championship without Lebron James. Apparently, just you, so there is one person.

It was clear at the time that Lebron James was joining Miami before it was announced, because the Vegas odds skyrocketed, suggesting he would be a Miami Heat, and Lebron wasn't going to be a Cav, after he gave up on his team in the playoffs.

Chris Bosh and Wade never win a chip without Lebron.

Wade did win without LeBron though... Dwayne was literally the first player from the 2003 class to win a ring.

[Pattycakes]

Blood clotting condition that caused recurring blood clots in his lungs.

And you don’t think this would occur if he stayed in Toronto? Im not following

Nobody knows, because blood clots "can form due to a variety of factors, including injuries, medical conditions, and lifestyle choices".

They say, nothing screams Miami like blood clots?!

[Dino353]

He was okay, not a true franchise player or someone to build around or be a first option

[The4thHorseman]

Bosh was a more refined Pascal Siakam. Given the times they waere drafted one focused on post moves the other focused on the three point shot.

All Nba player. Would range between somewhere between top 6-20 on a yearly basis in the NBA in his prime. Capable of being a Bonafide number 2 like KG to Pierce. Would not be able to carry a team to a championship without another top 20 player who was more ball dominant.

He was all-nba once in his career who made playoffs twice in Toronto yet some people act like he was a superstar. Top 20 is about right, top 6 is crazy.

Some like to refer to him finishing 4th in PER rating in 2010 and conclude that Miami was getting a bonafide superstar.

[bonita_the_frog]

And you don’t think this would occur if he stayed in Toronto? Im not following

Nobody knows, because blood clots "can form due to a variety of factors, including injuries, medical conditions, and lifestyle choices".

They say, nothing screams Miami like blood clots?!

Well Miami has no thing in common with Toronto, so Bosh's body had a completely different experience in Miami and was therefore not the same compared to if he stayed in Toronto... so moving to Miami was a heavy dose of Chaos.

He was okay, not a true franchise player or someone to build around or be a first option

24.0 points on .518 shooting and 10.8 rebounds @ Toronto 2009-10 says differently, and he was only just entering his prime (he was 26-years-old when he left Toronto).

[Haldi]

How is that when he only played 6 more seasons in Miami?

Blood clotting condition that caused recurring blood clots in his lungs.

And you don’t think this would occur if he stayed in Toronto? Im not following

Nope, its clearly a Miami only condition, we don’t get that in the great white north lol