Trae Young is Ridiculously Underrated

[threethehardway]

Celtics got Brown and Tatum from their Brooklyn picks. OKC got their best player SGA through a trade and own a bunch of picks through other teams. (hawks don't have as many picks but they do have 3 potential lottery picks 3 drafts in row via Kings/Pelicans/Bucks) btw.

Dyson Daniels isn't average or below average... Risacher put up 14.8 ppg on 51/41 splits in less than 25 mpg in his last 45 games at 19/20 yrs old. (#1 pick they got after making the play-in not even tanking)

Okongwu 15/10/3 with +3 bpm as a starter (looks much better as a starter)

Yes some are young, inconsistent and need to continue improving but hawks cleary have more young talent than Jalen Johnson.

And that makes Porzingis washed how? He's not washed when he's on the court. I'd have him off the bench like they did Hunter last year and see if it can help him stay healthy.

And I'm not saying you can't tank btw...but saying hawks are a bad organization and don't care about winning because they didn't tank until 2023 at minimum is wild. (5 years after Trae was drafted) Where Hawks screwed up is the Dejounte trade but have made up for getting Dyson+ and things look more promising looking ahead.

OKC got their best player because they were willing to be bad. They gave up on a championship campaign because they realized they weren't able to win with what they had. They had CP3 and SGA and could've stopped there after trading away PG and WB. They even could stopped at getting Dort and anointing him as SGA running mate. They kept going until they knew for sure what they had.

Same with the Celtics.

Tanking isn't about securing that one player. It's about asset management and evaluating multiple players for multiple seasons before committing resources.

The Hawks are a bad organization because if they could've just gotten Luka and not have to do any of this. They would've gotten a sure fire HOF player.

They could've sold high on the ECF run and went through a mini tank to reload with a better roster.

Instead they double down on bad decision after bad decision.

Dyson Daniels is an average player. He is elite on defense and bad on offense. OO is a tweener, too small to be a Center and not skilled enough to be a forward, he's a good back up center and swing starter. Risacher is an unknown, he had only one season and he it wasn't an undeniable ATG rookie season.

Hawks at the end of the day, have one good player they developed in the last 6 years and that's Trae.

[Ball4life32]

Celtics got Brown and Tatum from their Brooklyn picks. OKC got their best player SGA through a trade and own a bunch of picks through other teams. (hawks don't have as many picks but they do have 3 potential lottery picks 3 drafts in row via Kings/Pelicans/Bucks) btw.

Dyson Daniels isn't average or below average... Risacher put up 14.8 ppg on 51/41 splits in less than 25 mpg in his last 45 games at 19/20 yrs old. (#1 pick they got after making the play-in not even tanking)

Okongwu 15/10/3 with +3 bpm as a starter (looks much better as a starter)

Yes some are young, inconsistent and need to continue improving but hawks cleary have more young talent than Jalen Johnson.

And that makes Porzingis washed how? He's not washed when he's on the court. I'd have him off the bench like they did Hunter last year and see if it can help him stay healthy.

And I'm not saying you can't tank btw...but saying hawks are a bad organization and don't care about winning because they didn't tank until 2023 at minimum is wild. (5 years after Trae was drafted) Where Hawks screwed up is the Dejounte trade but have made up for getting Dyson+ and things look more promising looking ahead.

OKC got their best player because they were willing to be bad. They gave up on a championship campaign because they realized they weren't able to win with what they had. They had CP3 and SGA and could've stopped there after trading away PG and WB. They even could stopped at getting Dort and anointing him as SGA running mate. They kept going until they knew for sure what they had.

Same with the Celtics.

Tanking isn't about securing that one player. It's about asset management and evaluating multiple players for multiple seasons before committing resources.

The Hawks are a bad organization because if they could've just gotten Luka and not have to do any of this. They would've gotten a sure fire HOF player.

They could've sold high on the ECF run and went through a mini tank to reload with a better roster.

Instead they double down on bad decision after bad decision.

Dyson Daniels is an average player. He is elite on defense and bad on offense. OO is too tweener, too small to be a Center and not skilled enough to be a forward, he's a good back up center and swing starter. Risacher is an unknown, he had only one season and he it wasn't an undeniable ATG rookie season.

Hawks at the end of the day, have one good player they developed in the last 6 years and that's Trae.

OKC getting SGA had nothing to do with that….are we gonna act like PG didn’t want a trade…. and wasn’t Tatum on a playoff team right away? Don’t understand your examples.

Dyson metrics are positive and is offense wasn’t even that bad. Average according to you and clearly a minority opinion so agree to disagree. Dude is worth multiple 1sts.

Okongwu +3 bpm as a starter clearly looks more than a backup.

Dyson, Risacher and Okongwu are all top 10 picks around Trae btw.

Hawks have 5+ homegrown guys they have given 2nd contracts too since 2017. Show me all these teams that do the same considering hawks can’t develop.

Again hawks screwed up trading for Dejounte who was bad fit with Trae. They were better without each other.

[HMFFL]

That's correct.  #1 options shoot better, aren't turnover machines, and typically have the ability to dunk. Even his 2pt % reached a career low last season. He stopped using his floater as often and didn't focus on high percentage shots.  

I imagine it's tiresome for him functioning as Atlas. The ability to dunk is irrelevant. Him being a "turnover machine" is hyperbole without context. His shot is an issue, and he's overextended as a volume scorer, but man... he's got an injury-riddled squad of minimal talent. Even MJ couldn't do much when the talent around him was insufficient, and Trae isn't that level of player. A little appreciation of the environment in which he's working would be appropriate.

Having the ability to dunk provides a player with another scoring option. That should be common knowledge and not lead to a reaponse that it's "irrelevant".

His negative numbers are similar to his numbers at Oklahoma. He averaged 5 turnovers or more per game there. 

The only reason Dyson Daniels is working out at the 2 next to Trae is because he plays defense. Everybody has to make up for Trae's shortcomings. The Hawks now have all five starting positions set so we'll see if Trae can level up his own game.  Everybody is asked to do more to help Trae, but he doesn't help himself, and his numbers indicate that.

[HMFFL]

Celtics got Brown and Tatum from their Brooklyn picks. OKC got their best player SGA through a trade and own a bunch of picks through other teams. (hawks don't have as many picks but they do have 3 potential lottery picks 3 drafts in row via Kings/Pelicans/Bucks) btw.

Dyson Daniels isn't average or below average... Risacher put up 14.8 ppg on 51/41 splits in less than 25 mpg in his last 45 games at 19/20 yrs old. (#1 pick they got after making the play-in not even tanking)

Okongwu 15/10/3 with +3 bpm as a starter (looks much better as a starter)

Yes some are young, inconsistent and need to continue improving but hawks cleary have more young talent than Jalen Johnson.

And that makes Porzingis washed how? He's not washed when he's on the court. I'd have him off the bench like they did Hunter last year and see if it can help him stay healthy.

And I'm not saying you can't tank btw...but saying hawks are a bad organization and don't care about winning because they didn't tank until 2023 at minimum is wild. (5 years after Trae was drafted) Where Hawks screwed up is the Dejounte trade but have made up for getting Dyson+ and things look more promising looking ahead.

OKC got their best player because they were willing to be bad. They gave up on a championship campaign because they realized they weren't able to win with what they had. They had CP3 and SGA and could've stopped there after trading away PG and WB. They even could stopped at getting Dort and anointing him as SGA running mate. They kept going until they knew for sure what they had.

Same with the Celtics.

Tanking isn't about securing that one player. It's about asset management and evaluating multiple players for multiple seasons before committing resources.

The Hawks are a bad organization because if they could've just gotten Luka and not have to do any of this. They would've gotten a sure fire HOF player.

They could've sold high on the ECF run and went through a mini tank to reload with a better roster.

Instead they double down on bad decision after bad decision.

Dyson Daniels is an average player. He is elite on defense and bad on offense. OO is too tweener, too small to be a Center and not skilled enough to be a forward, he's a good back up center and swing starter. Risacher is an unknown, he had only one season and he it wasn't an undeniable ATG rookie season.

Hawks at the end of the day, have one good player they developed in the last 6 years and that's Trae.

OKC getting SGA had nothing to do with that….are we gonna act like PG didn’t want a trade…. and wasn’t Tatum on a playoff team right away? Don’t understand your examples.

Dyson metrics are positive and is offense wasn’t even that bad. Average according to you and clearly a minority opinion so agree to disagree. Dude is worth multiple 1sts.

Okongwu +3 bpm as a starter clearly looks more than a backup.

Dyson, Risacher and Okongwu are all top 10 picks around Trae btw.

Hawks have 5+ homegrown guys they have given 2nd contracts too since 2017. Show me all these teams that do the same considering hawks can’t develop.

Again hawks screwed up trading for Dejounte who was bad fit with Trae. They were better without each other.

Dyson Daniels wouldn't be a Hawk if it wasn't for Dejounte. So, technically, the Hawks corrected their mistake.

A couple of us on the Hawks board wanted the team to draft Dyson Daniels. Thankfully, we ended up with him, but it took Dejounte to acquire him.

[DreamTeam09]

Hawks are nice, TraeWay is nice too, should be a good year health permitting

[NDaATL]

That's correct.  #1 options shoot better, aren't turnover machines, and typically have the ability to dunk. Even his 2pt % reached a career low last season. He stopped using his floater as often and didn't focus on high percentage shots.  

I imagine it's tiresome for him functioning as Atlas. The ability to dunk is irrelevant. Him being a "turnover machine" is hyperbole without context. His shot is an issue, and he's overextended as a volume scorer, but man... he's got an injury-riddled squad of minimal talent. Even MJ couldn't do much when the talent around him was insufficient, and Trae isn't that level of player. A little appreciation of the environment in which he's working would be appropriate.

Having the ability to dunk provides a player with another scoring option. That should be common knowledge and not lead to a reaponse that it's "irrelevant".

His negative numbers are similar to his numbers at Oklahoma. He averaged 5 turnovers or more per game there. 

The only reason Dyson Daniels is working out at the 2 next to Trae is because he plays defense. Everybody has to make up for Trae's shortcomings. The Hawks now have all five starting positions set so we'll see if Trae can level up his own game.  Everybody is asked to do more to help Trae, but he doesn't help himself, and his numbers indicate that.

Yes everyone has to help Trae defensively, but without Trae the team would be terrible offensively. DD/ZR/JJ/OO are not creators so they complement each other quite well. With that lineup you need an offensive savant to run the teams offense.

I really like the team we have built around Trae. Long, defensive minded, and now with floor spacing at the 5 it's going to open up the offense that much more.

[Rainwater]

Make it or break it year for Trae. This could be his last year if the Hawks fail to make a playoff run.

[MrBigShot]

I think he's slightly underrated. Trae is a very, very good player that needs to be paired with someone who's better than him.

[Rainwater]

I know it's a prove it year, but I am going to make a projection. Unless Hawks get a true number 1, Trae takes a sizable pay cut, or Hawks have an epic season, pretty certain he won't be a hawk. He is likely to get traded. I can't imagine the Hawks paying him $70 million a year when they refuse to pay him $50 million. The fact they didn't even approach Trae with a new contract is telling. This new CBA will be taking a new causality basically a butler situation all over again.

[Ball4life32]

Trae has led a top 10 offense 4 of the last 5 seasons so I don't mind him as a #1 option offensively. I just hope he and the team around him can stay healthy. JJ going down has hurt the hawks 2 years in a row.

[Rainwater]

Trae has led a top 10 offense 4 of the last 5 seasons so I don't mind him as a #1 option offensively. I just hope he and the team around him can stay healthy. JJ going down has hurt the hawks 2 years in a row.

Trae being number 1 option has not really lead the hawks anywhere but a playin team that is the problem. With that being the reality, is Trae worth a max deal in the this new CBA is the question.

[Ball4life32]

Trae has led a top 10 offense 4 of the last 5 seasons so I don't mind him as a #1 option offensively. I just hope he and the team around him can stay healthy. JJ going down has hurt the hawks 2 years in a row.

Trae being number 1 option has not really lead the hawks anywhere but a playin team that is the problem. With that being the reality, is Trae worth a max deal in the this new CBA is the question.

Yeah and that isn’t all on Trae…hawks need to stay healthy around him like I said. Plus he has a player option next yr so no problem with letting it play it out.

[wco81]

Don't look now but all the young, long and athletic wings whom the Hawks have accumulated may have collectively turned a corner.

The team is 7-3 in their last 10 games and have won 4 straight.

They're attacking the rim and few teams have the length and athleticism to match.

There were some concerns when Trae got injured but the Hawks are playing well without him.

If they sustain this, Trae's days in Atlanta may be numbered.

I don't know what the defensive metrics of these lineups without Trae are but their offense has been good so far. Maybe not as good as with Trae but you'd think their defensive efficiency would be better without Trae?

[Celts17Pride]

The team is 7-3 in their last 10 games and have won 4 straight.

This happens every year that the Hawks play better and win more when Trae Young is out. Fact!

Yet Hawks fans swear by Trae Young. It's like beating a dead horse.

[HMFFL]

I imagine it's tiresome for him functioning as Atlas. The ability to dunk is irrelevant. Him being a "turnover machine" is hyperbole without context. His shot is an issue, and he's overextended as a volume scorer, but man... he's got an injury-riddled squad of minimal talent. Even MJ couldn't do much when the talent around him was insufficient, and Trae isn't that level of player. A little appreciation of the environment in which he's working would be appropriate.

Having the ability to dunk provides a player with another scoring option. That should be common knowledge and not lead to a reaponse that it's "irrelevant".

His negative numbers are similar to his numbers at Oklahoma. He averaged 5 turnovers or more per game there. 

The only reason Dyson Daniels is working out at the 2 next to Trae is because he plays defense. Everybody has to make up for Trae's shortcomings. The Hawks now have all five starting positions set so we'll see if Trae can level up his own game.  Everybody is asked to do more to help Trae, but he doesn't help himself, and his numbers indicate that.

Yes everyone has to help Trae defensively, but without Trae the team would be terrible offensively. DD/ZR/JJ/OO are not creators so they complement each other quite well. With that lineup you need an offensive savant to run the teams offense.

I really like the team we have built around Trae. Long, defensive minded, and now with floor spacing at the 5 it's going to open up the offense that much more.

Trae is a boarderline all-star that has made the team most of the time due to another player being injured. When Atlanta hosted the event I think Trae was snubbed.

He shoots 40% and is a turnover machine (355 of them last season).

I prefer a point guard that can shoot, not make errors, and that can dunk. Trae has a superstar mentality but is a boarderline star talent.

[HMFFL]

Trae has led a top 10 offense 4 of the last 5 seasons so I don't mind him as a #1 option offensively. I just hope he and the team around him can stay healthy. JJ going down has hurt the hawks 2 years in a row.

Odd that you want your primary ball handler to be the #1 option when he can't shoot and we can't build a successful team around him. Since he was drafted, the roster is the issue, and not Trae Young.

[Bornstellar]

Damn the Hawks playing well. Young needs to hurry up and return so they can start losing again

[tsherkin]

Trae is a boarderline all-star that has made the team most of the time due to another player being injured. When Atlanta hosted the event I think Trae was snubbed.

He shoots 40% and is a turnover machine (355 of them last season).

I prefer a point guard that can shoot, not make errors, and that can dunk. Trae has a superstar mentality but is a boarderline star talent.

Dunking is irrelevant for a PG. But his shot is absolutely a concern, and his defense is also relevant in a less-than-ideal way, I am compelled to admit.

But he IS one of the best playmakers in the league, so until and unless a good deal comes up, it's worth it to see what he can do.

[Anderson Hunt]

In an ode to the non-guaranteed contract thread, Trae Young is the type of player who signs a big deal, gets shopped for poor performance, and then gets waived when the stark realization comes that he has an extremely limited market and, frankly, just isn't worth big-time money.

[Ball4life32]

Trae has led a top 10 offense 4 of the last 5 seasons so I don't mind him as a #1 option offensively. I just hope he and the team around him can stay healthy. JJ going down has hurt the hawks 2 years in a row.

Odd that you want your primary ball handler to be the #1 option when he can't shoot and we can't build a successful team around him. Since he was drafted, the roster is the issue, and not Trae Young.

No clue what you’re talking about. Hawks have a nice young roster….never once said the roster was the issue but staying healthy.