Chris Bosh's tenure in Toronto has become supremely underrated

[HMFFL]

That’s because Wade was a superstar. Bosh was a guy you could win a championship with if he was your 2nd best player, like Gasol or Amare.

Not a chance.
And, Amar'e Stoudemire? Please!

Amare was a better offensive player and more injury prone, Bosh was the better defensive player. Bosh won more playoff games in Toronto than Gasol ever did in Memphis. Granted, the West was better, and I would rank Gasol and Amare above Bosh, but Bosh was in the same tier.

Lots of teams that won championships had worse #2 options.

Wade was incredible in the 2010 playoffs. I don’t even know who the 2nd best player on the Heat was. If you let Wade play with Bosh and some quality role players instead of LeBron, the Heat could absolutely win a championship.

The Heat almost won a championship in 2011 with LeBron playing poorly in the Finals, LeBron and Wade being an awkward fit without a lot of chemistry, and the Heat having bad role players.

I never once thought Phoenix would win a title with Amare.
Who really took them seriously other than being a regular season team. As exciting as the team was on offense, they didn't play defense, and I viewed them as only a succesful regular season team. Their frontcourt wasn't constructed to win a championship.

A Heat team without Lebron wasn't going to beat the West with DWade and Chris Bosh. Are you just trying to build the two of them up?

I do respect your opinion but we view all of this differently.

[og15]

As a focal point, in Toronto, he was great. If he could've been that level of offensive player while maintaining the level of defense he had in Miami, we'd be talking about a top 5 PF of all time. That was the strength of his rizz, my brothers. Who could defend the pick and roll while scoring from all over like him?

How? His offense as a #1 was good, but he was not great, if great is guys who can be a #1 on a top contender, Bosh was not that at all.

Not a resilient enough scorer and not a playmaker to be that kind of guy. For example, we would argue that Paul George is a better #1 than Bosh, he's a superior playmaker and he's a better scorer, and George is not a guy we would consider a #1 on a title team.

If Bosh has his Miami defense and Toronto offense, that still doesn't get him to top 5 PF. Duncan, Malone, Giannis, Barkley, Dirk, KG is already 6 and he doesn't get over any of those guys, and AD is better on both ends, then you have Pau who has the size and passing over him and superior defense to Miami Bosh, so we're at 8 already, so no chance.

Yea, even with that, he's not touching top 5 PF's.

Only Duncan (late career), KG, AD, and Giannis demonstrated to capability to defend the pick and roll like he could. He was more switchable than the other guys you listed. Now, granted, they were suitable defenders for their time, able to body the big mon gwan pop in da block ting... but to switch onto guards like Boshtrich did? The times done changed, and the rizz must change with it. I think that Bosh had the defensive rizz relative to this current era to exceed many PFs iwho were historically considered great defensive playas.

And I hope you know that the Bosh is watching us... he is here, he is amongst us. He could be any of us.

Watch on YouTube

The rizz is certainly one way to look at it, and you are correct that he is (at least was) watching us

[TheGeneral99]

Bosh got punk'd by Mikey Moore in 2006-He was a good player but let's not wax poetically about the man.

He found his calling as a 3rd fiddle in Miami

He was 22 years old in his first ever playoff appearance.

[TheGeneral99]

Read on Twitter

Watch on YouTube

Not gonna lie, those numbers are a lot less impressive than I expected. 23 and 9 on 49 FG%? That's no superstar.

His prime was 2009-2010 where he averaged 24ppg and 11rpg on 52%fg and 36%3fg.

Not sure what you mean...those numbers were literally superstar numbers for the position. KG's MVP year he averaged 24ppg and 14rpg on 49%fg...Tim Duncan's MVP year in 2003 he averaged 23ppg and 13rpg on 51%fg...Dirk's MVP he averaged 24ppg and 9rpg on 49%fg and 42%3fg. Those 3 guys were better than Bosh but the numbers weren't significantly better...those are fantastic numbers for a power forward back in the late 2000s.

[Woodsanity]

He was more of a second option at best on a contender. Underrated? Nah. Overrated? I wouldn't say so. More like fairly rated.

[XTC]

He didn't even mention his time in Toronto in his Hall of Fame speech. Here in Toronto few people care or think about Bosh. There was nothing remarkable about his time here other than getting a bunch of All Star nods because he was a good stats mediocre/bad team guy. As for Vince, even if I don't agree with it I could understand why people might wear his jersey.

Agree 100%

After watching Vince for years and then transition into watching Bosh it was very under whelming. I still remember Bosh leaving in the summer of 2010, and getting over it pretty quick.

His time in Toronto was super underwhelming and honestly forgotten, which is fine IMO. Like its been stated the CB4 era was some of the blandest, bleak, and boring era's in Raptors history. No promising young players, no regular season success, and quite frankly Bosh was just boring and awkward in general.

I dont even remember the last time I saw someone wearing a Bosh jersey in Toronto, let alone Canada. Yet you will still see people repping VC, Lowry, Derozan, Kawhi.

Backstage at the Scotiabank Arena in Toronto, I wish they showed the Raptors culture more, and not just the Leafs. Especially since the Raptors won the title. There are pictures and such of the Leafs and nothing in regard to the Raptors. After the large renovations at the arena, maybe things have changed. So, maybe the ownership is to blame for this, and not valuing the Raps history?

I will buy an old school jersey of Bosh and wear it around next time. Maybe I will be made fun of..lol

Raptors are huge in Toronto and in Canada in general. I spend most my time between Vancouver/Toronto, and the Raps are definitely Canada's team, which wasn't the case during the Bosh years. Basketball in Canada has come a very long way in the past 10 years, thanks to guys like VC, Lowry, Derozan, Kawhi, and Siakam. Even guys like Alvin 'Boogie' Williams is reverred by old heads. You can't say the same for Bosh.

Bosh's problems where he never really connected to the city, the country, and most importantly the fans. He was here, but he made himself seem like an outsider. He complained how Canada smelled, how our cable sucked, he couldn't get ESPN, etc. Then you had guys like Derozan, and Lowry who bled Raptors, and poured their souls into this franchise. Derozan tweeting "DW I got us" after Bosh left, words cant describe how hard we love Derozan, and why it rubbed fans the wrong way when we traded him for Kawhi. We got Kawhi but it hurt losing Derozan. Then you got Lowry a Philly native saying Toronto is home, how he wants to sign a 1 day contract to retire a Raptor... the GROAT. These guys are immortalized in Raptors history, the fans love them, and their numbers will be in the rafters. Bosh wanted to be a piece rather than grind it out with us, which is fine.

Before anyone says Raptors fans are being this way because he left to join the Heat, that's not the case at all. It took 20 years for fans to get over VC leaving, it took most fans a month or two to get over Bosh leaving. Raptors fans where never that attached to Bosh, we dont hate him, but it honestly just feels like he was just a player and blip in our history. I doubt you see any hardcore Raptors fans putting him in their Mount Rushmore, and honestly he probably feels the same considering he never even said Toronto once in his Hall of Fame induction. Honestly it was a healthy breakup between Bosh, and Raptors fans lol. I doubt it ever changes with fans in Canada embracing Bosh, and wearing his jersey.

[XTC]

Read on Twitter

Watch on YouTube

Not gonna lie, those numbers are a lot less impressive than I expected. 23 and 9 on 49 FG%? That's no superstar.

His prime was 2009-2010 where he averaged 24ppg and 11rpg on 52%fg and 36%3fg.

Not sure what you mean...those numbers were literally superstar numbers for the position. KG's MVP year he averaged 24ppg and 14rpg on 49%fg...Tim Duncan's MVP year in 2003 he averaged 23ppg and 13rpg on 51%fg...Dirk's MVP he averaged 24ppg and 9rpg on 49%fg and 42%3fg. Those 3 guys were better than Bosh but the numbers weren't significantly better...those are fantastic numbers for a power forward back in the late 2000s.

Duncan 2003
23.3/12.9/3.9/0.7/2.9
PER - 26.9
BPM - 7.6
VORP - 7.7
WS - 16.5
+/- +14.7

KG 2004
24.2/13.9/5.0/1.5/2.2
PER - 29.4
BPM - 10.2
VORP - 10.0
WS - 18.3
+/- +20.7

Bosh 2010
24.0/10.8/2.4/0.6/1.0
PER - 25.0
BPM - 3.6
VORP - 3.6
WS - 9.6
+/- +5.8

Its fine to say Bosh has good raw averages, but his advance stats left a ton to be desired, and they're not close to MVP caliber, or a superstar, no one was considering Bosh a superstar back in the days. Bosh's stats where closer to Pascal Siakam rather than KG/Duncan.

Siakam 2022
22.8/8.5/5.3/1.3/0.6
PER - 20.3
BPM - 3.5
VORP - 3.6
WS - 8.1
+/- +6.6

[TheGeneral99]

Not gonna lie, those numbers are a lot less impressive than I expected. 23 and 9 on 49 FG%? That's no superstar.

His prime was 2009-2010 where he averaged 24ppg and 11rpg on 52%fg and 36%3fg.

Not sure what you mean...those numbers were literally superstar numbers for the position. KG's MVP year he averaged 24ppg and 14rpg on 49%fg...Tim Duncan's MVP year in 2003 he averaged 23ppg and 13rpg on 51%fg...Dirk's MVP he averaged 24ppg and 9rpg on 49%fg and 42%3fg. Those 3 guys were better than Bosh but the numbers weren't significantly better...those are fantastic numbers for a power forward back in the late 2000s.

Duncan 2003
23.3/12.9/3.9/0.7/2.9
PER - 26.9
BPM - 7.6
VORP - 7.7
WS - 16.5
+/- +14.7

KG 2004
24.2/13.9/5.0/1.5/2.2
PER - 29.4
BPM - 10.2
VORP - 10.0
WS - 18.3
+/- +20.7

Bosh 2010
24.0/10.8/2.4/0.6/1.0
PER - 25.0
BPM - 3.6
VORP - 3.6
WS - 9.6
+/- +5.8

Its fine to say Bosh has good raw averages, but his advance stats left a ton to be desired, and they're not close to MVP caliber. Bosh's stats where closer to Pascal Siakam rather than KG/Duncan.

Siakam 2022
22.8/8.5/5.3/1.3/0.6
PER - 20.3
BPM - 3.5
VORP - 3.6
WS - 8.1
+/- +6.6

I wasn't disputing what you are saying, just responded to the guy who said that 23ppg and 9rpg were not superstar level numbers for a power forward. I agreed in my post that Bosh wasn't as good as those guys, but in terms of raw numbers he had great numbers for his position.

[NZB2323]

Not a chance.
And, Amar'e Stoudemire? Please!

Amare was a better offensive player and more injury prone, Bosh was the better defensive player. Bosh won more playoff games in Toronto than Gasol ever did in Memphis. Granted, the West was better, and I would rank Gasol and Amare above Bosh, but Bosh was in the same tier.

Lots of teams that won championships had worse #2 options.

Wade was incredible in the 2010 playoffs. I don’t even know who the 2nd best player on the Heat was. If you let Wade play with Bosh and some quality role players instead of LeBron, the Heat could absolutely win a championship.

The Heat almost won a championship in 2011 with LeBron playing poorly in the Finals, LeBron and Wade being an awkward fit without a lot of chemistry, and the Heat having bad role players.

I never once thought Phoenix would win a title with Amare.
Who really took them seriously other than being a regular season team. As exciting as the team was on offense, they didn't play defense, and I viewed them as only a succesful regular season team. Their frontcourt wasn't constructed to win a championship.

A Heat team without Lebron wasn't going to beat the West with DWade and Chris Bosh. Are you just trying to build the two of them up?

I do respect your opinion but we view all of this differently.

In 2006 the Suns made it to game 6 of the WCF without Amare, and in 2007 the Suns had the Amare and Diaw suspensions.

Maybe the Heat with Wade and Bosh would have been like those Suns teams with Nash and Amare and may have never won it all, but I believe if surrounded with the right role players they absolutely could. At the very least they would have been a contender.

I don’t think anyone was picking the Mavs to win it all considering they lost in the first round in 2010 and Dirk had a reputation as a soft player who choked in the playoffs. No one expected the Bulls to be that good in 2011, but I believe the betting favorites were the Heat and Lakers after the Heat got Bosh.

Prime Wade doesn’t really need to be built up. In the 2010 playoffs he put up 33, 7, and 6, 65 TS%, 29.4 PER, on/off +13.5 against Boston, who held Kobe and LeBron to worse numbers.

His fit with LeBron wasn’t the best, they didn’t have the best chemistry in year 1, they didn’t have good role players in year 1, and Wade declined quickly in his 30s, but as we saw in 2006, he was certainly capable of being “the man.”

[bonbons]

My lasting memory of Bosh as a raps fan is him saying he's staying in his last year, then missing the last layup of the regular season to miss the playoffs, then heading off to miami a couple months later. Hopefully my memories not bad. And that one dumb cowboy allstar commercial he had.

[HMFFL]

Agree 100%

After watching Vince for years and then transition into watching Bosh it was very under whelming. I still remember Bosh leaving in the summer of 2010, and getting over it pretty quick.

His time in Toronto was super underwhelming and honestly forgotten, which is fine IMO. Like its been stated the CB4 era was some of the blandest, bleak, and boring era's in Raptors history. No promising young players, no regular season success, and quite frankly Bosh was just boring and awkward in general.

I dont even remember the last time I saw someone wearing a Bosh jersey in Toronto, let alone Canada. Yet you will still see people repping VC, Lowry, Derozan, Kawhi.

Backstage at the Scotiabank Arena in Toronto, I wish they showed the Raptors culture more, and not just the Leafs. Especially since the Raptors won the title. There are pictures and such of the Leafs and nothing in regard to the Raptors. After the large renovations at the arena, maybe things have changed. So, maybe the ownership is to blame for this, and not valuing the Raps history?

I will buy an old school jersey of Bosh and wear it around next time. Maybe I will be made fun of..lol

Raptors are huge in Toronto and in Canada in general. I spend most my time between Vancouver/Toronto, and the Raps are definitely Canada's team, which wasn't the case during the Bosh years. Basketball in Canada has come a very long way in the past 10 years, thanks to guys like VC, Lowry, Derozan, Kawhi, and Siakam. Even guys like Alvin 'Boogie' Williams is reverred by old heads. You can't say the same for Bosh.

Bosh's problems where he never really connected to the city, the country, and most importantly the fans. He was here, but he made himself seem like an outsider. He complained how Canada smelled, how our cable sucked, he couldn't get ESPN, etc. Then you had guys like Derozan, and Lowry who bled Raptors, and poured their souls into this franchise. Derozan tweeting "DW I got us" after Bosh left, words cant describe how hard we love Derozan, and why it rubbed fans the wrong way when we traded him for Kawhi. We got Kawhi but it hurt losing Derozan. Then you got Lowry a Philly native saying Toronto is home, how he wants to sign a 1 day contract to retire a Raptor... the GROAT. These guys are immortalized in Raptors history, the fans love them, and their numbers will be in the rafters. Bosh wanted to be a piece rather than grind it out with us, which is fine.

Before anyone says Raptors fans are being this way because he left to join the Heat, that's not the case at all. It took 20 years for fans to get over VC leaving, it took most fans a month or two to get over Bosh leaving. Raptors fans where never that attached to Bosh, we dont hate him, but it honestly just feels like he was just a player and blip in our history. I doubt you see any hardcore Raptors fans putting him in their Mount Rushmore, and honestly he probably feels the same considering he never even said Toronto once in his Hall of Fame induction. Honestly it was a healthy breakup between Bosh, and Raptors fans lol. I doubt it ever changes with fans in Canada embracing Bosh, and wearing his jersey.

I agree with all of that.
Thank you for the indepth response.

Raptors basketball has evolved since Chris Bosh was drafted as a 19 year old in 03/04. I can understand why he felt a certain way, even if it came off as disrespectful towards Toronto, he was just a kid.

I still don't believe the ownership has done enough by my own observations. However, the Raps locker room is very sexy inside, except for incline, you walk up to their locker room. The entire locker room hallway backstage is all about the Leafs.

[ballzboyee]

I just want to repeat again, the guy had 1 winning season, won 3 playoff games, and missed the playoffs 5 times in 7 seasons with the Raptors. And this is the tenure we're calling "underrated".

His tenure with the Raptors was less successful than Elton Brand's with the Clippers or Zach Randolph's with the Grizzlies. OP would never even make this thread in the first place if Bosh never joined LeBron in Miami.

Fairly basic analysis not taking in the big picture. Toronto was an expansion team in Canada of all places that averaged just 31 wins in its first eight seasons of the franchise. Bosh starting as 19-year-old rookie lifted the Raptors to an overall .500 club in his last 4 seasons and he tied the season franchise win record. Raptors record with Bosh once he became established was ten percent higher than the historical average of the team and that matters. Furthermore, why don't people ever make these same low effort complaints about similarly situated young stars? Why couldn't Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter win in Toronto if it's that easy? In terms of winning, what exactly did Kevin Garnnett do Minnesota that made him so special? They were .500 ball club his first 5 seasons there. They broke out and had a little run but then quickly dropped back to a below average team that couldn't even make the playoffs. Minnesota won 32 games KG's last season in Wolves jersey. It's pretty plain KG had the better supporting cast over Bosh but then he ended up jumping ship and forming a big 3 anyway. It's not easy lifting an expansion club to that next level.

Listen to what Lebron, Wade, Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem have of all said about Bosh in terms of their praise in interview after interview. I am pretty sure those guys have a better understanding of Bosh's value than most on this forum. He was Miami's most important player. He went from the most efficient big in the league in the post in Toronto to basically inventing the stretch 5 under Eric Spoelstra in Miami. Who were the bigs back then who had Bosh's versatility? Bosh's all-around game is what allowed Miami to go small with five shooters since he could guard the other team's big and stretch the floor with his shooting ability from the 3p on the next possession. Because of Bosh's versatility teams couldn't pack the paint and this allowed Lebron and Wade to dominate attacking the rim. Far from being a bad playmaker, Bosh possessed elite balls skills for big and could front the basket as an iso scorer as a either pick and pop guy or take his man off the dribble to the basket. As an opposing defender you couldn't cheat on Bosh and try to shade in order to rim protect or you just got burned. Ya'll need to realize that Bosh had a three-year stretch in Miami where dude shot over 40 percent from 3p in consecutive title runs. Chet just shot 30 percent from 3p and got a 50 million extension. What do you think Bosh is geting paid in this era, huh? MAX. Bosh was the total package both on in the post and perimeter. On top of everything, Bosh was probably the best PnR defender in the league and Miami liked to trap a lot. He was insanely valuable as a mobile defensive big.

If Bosh were in the league today he would easily be a max contract player.

[Clay Davis]

I just want to repeat again, the guy had 1 winning season, won 3 playoff games, and missed the playoffs 5 times in 7 seasons with the Raptors. And this is the tenure we're calling "underrated".

His tenure with the Raptors was less successful than Elton Brand's with the Clippers or Zach Randolph's with the Grizzlies. OP would never even make this thread in the first place if Bosh never joined LeBron in Miami.

Fairly basic analysis not taking in the big picture. Toronto was an expansion team in Canada of all places that averaged just 31 wins in its first eight seasons of the franchise. Bosh starting as 19-year-old rookie lifted the Raptors to an overall .500 club in his last 4 seasons and he tied the season franchise win record. Raptors record with Bosh once he became established was ten percent higher than the historical average of the team and that matters. Furthermore, why don't people ever make these same low effort complaints about similarly situated young stars? Why couldn't Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter win in Toronto if it's that easy? In terms of winning, what exactly did Kevin Garnnett do Minnesota that made him so special? They were .500 ball club his first 5 seasons there. They broke out and had a little run but then quickly dropped back to a below average team that couldn't even make the playoffs. Minnesota won 32 games KG's last season in Wolves jersey. It's pretty plain KG had the better supporting cast over Bosh but then he ended up jumping ship and forming a big 3 anyway. It's not easy lifting an expansion club to that next level.

Listen to what Lebron, Wade, Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem have of all said about Bosh in terms of their praise in interview after interview. I am pretty sure those guys have a better understanding of Bosh's value than most on this forum. He was Miami's most important player. He went from the most efficient big in the league in the post in Toronto to basically inventing the stretch 5 under Eric Spoelstra in Miami. Who were the bigs back then who had Bosh's versatility? Bosh's all-around game is what allowed Miami to go small with five shooters since he could guard the other team's big and stretch the floor with his shooting ability from the 3p on the next possession. Because of Bosh's versatility teams couldn't pack the paint and this allowed Lebron and Wade to dominate attacking the rim. Far from being a bad playmaker, Bosh possessed elite balls skills for big and could front the basket as an iso scorer as a either pick and pop guy or take his man off the dribble to the basket. As an opposing defender you couldn't cheat on Bosh and try to shade in order to rim protect or you just got burned. Ya'll need to realize that Bosh had a three-year stretch in Miami where dude shot over 40 percent from 3p in consecutive title runs. Chet just shot 30 percent from 3p and got a 50 million extension. What do you think Bosh is geting paid in this era, huh? MAX. Bosh was the total package both on in the post and perimeter. On top of everything, Bosh was probably the best PnR defender in the league and Miami like to trap a lot. He was insanely valuable as a mobile defensive big.

If Bosh were in the league today he would easily be a max contract player.

Exactly. There are not many big men in the league today who could out-perform Mr. Bosh defensively! People forget how oppressive those Miami teams were defensively. He was a great man, a great player, and a great mammal. I appreciate his rizz!

[Clay Davis]

How? His offense as a #1 was good, but he was not great, if great is guys who can be a #1 on a top contender, Bosh was not that at all.

Not a resilient enough scorer and not a playmaker to be that kind of guy. For example, we would argue that Paul George is a better #1 than Bosh, he's a superior playmaker and he's a better scorer, and George is not a guy we would consider a #1 on a title team.

If Bosh has his Miami defense and Toronto offense, that still doesn't get him to top 5 PF. Duncan, Malone, Giannis, Barkley, Dirk, KG is already 6 and he doesn't get over any of those guys, and AD is better on both ends, then you have Pau who has the size and passing over him and superior defense to Miami Bosh, so we're at 8 already, so no chance.

Yea, even with that, he's not touching top 5 PF's.

Only Duncan (late career), KG, AD, and Giannis demonstrated to capability to defend the pick and roll like he could. He was more switchable than the other guys you listed. Now, granted, they were suitable defenders for their time, able to body the big mon gwan pop in da block ting... but to switch onto guards like Boshtrich did? The times done changed, and the rizz must change with it. I think that Bosh had the defensive rizz relative to this current era to exceed many PFs iwho were historically considered great defensive playas.

And I hope you know that the Bosh is watching us... he is here, he is amongst us. He could be any of us.

Watch on YouTube

The rizz is certainly one way to look at it, and you are correct that he is (at least was) watching us

Thank you brother I believe that Chris is always watching us, caring about us, loving us. A great man! So it's why I appreciate his rizz. What other NBA player has made us feel seen, cherished, and loved? None of them. They all hate us like we're gum under their shoes.

[Stan]

I just want to repeat again, the guy had 1 winning season, won 3 playoff games, and missed the playoffs 5 times in 7 seasons with the Raptors. And this is the tenure we're calling "underrated".

His tenure with the Raptors was less successful than Elton Brand's with the Clippers or Zach Randolph's with the Grizzlies. OP would never even make this thread in the first place if Bosh never joined LeBron in Miami.

Fairly basic analysis not taking in the big picture. Toronto was an expansion team in Canada of all places that averaged just 31 wins in its first eight seasons of the franchise. Bosh starting as 19-year-old rookie lifted the Raptors to an overall .500 club in his last 4 seasons and he tied the season franchise win record. Raptors record with Bosh once he became established was ten percent higher than the historical average of the team and that matters. Furthermore, why don't people ever make these same low effort complaints about similarly situated young stars? Why couldn't Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter win in Toronto if it's that easy? In terms of winning, what exactly did Kevin Garnnett do Minnesota that made him so special? They were .500 ball club his first 5 seasons there. They broke out and had a little run but then quickly dropped back to a below average team that couldn't even make the playoffs. Minnesota won 32 games KG's last season in Wolves jersey. It's pretty plain KG had the better supporting cast over Bosh but then he ended up jumping ship and forming a big 3 anyway. It's not easy lifting an expansion club to that next level.

Listen to what Lebron, Wade, Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem have of all said about Bosh in terms of their praise in interview after interview. I am pretty sure those guys have a better understanding of Bosh's value than most on this forum. He was Miami's most important player. He went from the most efficient big in the league in the post in Toronto to basically inventing the stretch 5 under Eric Spoelstra in Miami. Who were the bigs back then who had Bosh's versatility? Bosh's all-around game is what allowed Miami to go small with five shooters since he could guard the other team's big and stretch the floor with his shooting ability from the 3p on the next possession. Because of Bosh's versatility teams couldn't pack the paint and this allowed Lebron and Wade to dominate attacking the rim. Far from being a bad playmaker, Bosh possessed elite balls skills for big and could front the basket as an iso scorer as a either pick and pop guy or take his man off the dribble to the basket. As an opposing defender you couldn't cheat on Bosh and try to shade in order to rim protect or you just got burned. Ya'll need to realize that Bosh had a three-year stretch in Miami where dude shot over 40 percent from 3p in consecutive title runs. Chet just shot 30 percent from 3p and got a 50 million extension. What do you think Bosh is geting paid in this era, huh? MAX. Bosh was the total package both on in the post and perimeter. On top of everything, Bosh was probably the best PnR defender in the league and Miami like to trap a lot. He was insanely valuable as a mobile defensive big.

If Bosh were in the league today he would easily be a max contract player.

Nowhere in my post did i ever dispute Bosh was a good player, and yes, with who gets the max I'm sure he would be a max player today.

My beef is OP's premise that a guy's tenure who accomplished nothing of note for 7 years is "supremely underrated" is completely ridiculous. In the history of basketball nobody who averaged 23/10 on 38 win teams was ever noteworthy to anybody. The truth is if he wasn't tied up in the LeBron agenda, genuinely nobody outside of maybe hardcore Raptor fans would ever care about Bosh's tenure there.

The guy won 3 playoff games and made one All-NBA Team in 7 years, someone has to explain to me what is underrated about this, or why this should be celebrated or even remembered 15-20 years later.

[YogurtProducer]

No team was doing damage with Bosh as their top 2 option, look at the Miami Heat post Lebron who had a record of 19-25 when Bosh played in 14/15, and 29-24 in 15/16.

Yeah, I am not sure we can really blame anyone for only being roughly .500 when you look at how injured that MIA team was and how poor that team was built.

[XTC]

My lasting memory of Bosh as a raps fan is him saying he's staying in his last year, then missing the last layup of the regular season to miss the playoffs, then heading off to miami a couple months later. Hopefully my memories not bad. And that one dumb cowboy allstar commercial he had.

Watch on YouTube

That's the play in question. Pretty much summed up Bosh's entire career in Toronto. Great stats (he had 42 points, 13 rebounds, 5 steals), but always coming up short in clutch situations. For context if Bosh makes that layup the Raptors make the playoffs... instead what happens was Bosh gets a facial injury... the worst part was he was cleared to play the final 6 games by team doctors, but he chose to sit out when his team was fighting for a playoff position. The Raptors ended uo going 2-4, while the Bulls went 4-2. It was cowardly, and he openly quit on the team. That is our last impressions of him.

[dhsilv2]

Bosh got punk'd by Mikey Moore in 2006-He was a good player but let's not wax poetically about the man.

He found his calling as a 3rd fiddle in Miami

He was 22 years old in his first ever playoff appearance.

The KG effect. You get judged on your early year play when we don't have a sample of your prime playoff runs to take from.

[PaulKellerman]

My lasting memory of Bosh as a raps fan is him saying he's staying in his last year, then missing the last layup of the regular season to miss the playoffs, then heading off to miami a couple months later. Hopefully my memories not bad. And that one dumb cowboy allstar commercial he had.

That was such a strange season with the Hero "ball" interview, Bosh theatrics................The Tyson Chandler trade falling through

[firedavidkahn]

Karl Anthony Towns was better as a Wolf and he got clowned non stop.

Stop this nonsense.