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jayjaysee · Post #1861 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu Aug 7, 2025 8:26 pm

I don’t think anyone ever thought Caleb Martin was more than a 3 and D guy.

Assume if he’s still healthy, he’ll be the same guy he was in 2023-2024 and he’ll be a slight (but clear) positive.

And if his game sipped due to a hip injury? then he’ll be a negative...

But he’s just a 3/d guy to me..

HornetJail · Post #1862 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Aug 7, 2025 9:14 pm

speaking of the Martin's, i'm a little surprised nobody's picked up Cody yet. like, he does suck in general, but his defense is fine, and he can at least emulate the Mavs Josh Green role of standing in a corner and waiting for wide open threes.

Curious whether Cody's knee is just completely shot, or if his tendency to over-dribble to nowhere actually killed his career.

After their first two seasons in Charlotte, I would never have expected Caleb's career to outlive Cody's.

Post #1863 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Aug 7, 2025 10:07 pm

HornetJail wrote:speaking of the Martin's, i'm a little surprised nobody's picked up Cody yet. like, he does suck in general, but his defense is fine, and he can at least emulate the Mavs Josh Green role of standing in a corner and waiting for wide open threes.

Curious whether Cody's knee is just completely shot, or if his tendency to over-dribble to nowhere actually killed his career.

After their first two seasons in Charlotte, I would never have expected Caleb's career to outlive Cody's.

I would bet that he has some non-guaranteed training camp offers from teams right now. Probably holding out to see if he can get something with any guaranteed money.

SkyHook · Post #1864 » by **SkyHook** » Thu Aug 7, 2025 11:12 pm

Jake Fischer mentioned today interest from GSW in a double BYC sign-and-trade with Giddey and Kuminga. That would be a wild one to pull off.

eminence · Post #1865 » by **eminence** » Thu Aug 7, 2025 11:15 pm

SkyHook wrote:Jake Fischer mentioned today interest from GSW in a double BYC sign-and-trade with Giddey and Kuminga. That would be a wild one to pull off.

Any idea on the mechanics of such a move?

jayjaysee · Post #1866 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu Aug 7, 2025 11:41 pm

eminence wrote:
SkyHook wrote:Jake Fischer mentioned today interest from GSW in a double BYC sign-and-trade with Giddey and Kuminga. That would be a wild one to pull off.

Any idea on the mechanics of such a move?

Chicago has the TPE to make it work pretty easily (taking in Moody, or a third team’s player with Moody ending up there) but GSW also only has 25 mil under second apron (36 with Moody involved) and needs to fill 6 roster spots. And seems to have promised Al over the vet min

Seems like it would cost GSW both Moody and Buddy in order to backfill vet mins. Then you can give Al 5~ sign 6 vet mins (say 14 mil) and still have 26 for Giddey’s first year? All finger math..

SkyHook · Post #1867 » by **SkyHook** » Thu Aug 7, 2025 11:54 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
eminence wrote:
SkyHook wrote:Jake Fischer mentioned today interest from GSW in a double BYC sign-and-trade with Giddey and Kuminga. That would be a wild one to pull off.

Any idea on the mechanics of such a move?

Chicago has the TPE to make it work pretty easily (taking in Moody, or a third team’s player with Moody ending up there) but GSW also only has 25 mil under second apron (36 with Moody involved) and needs to fill 6 roster spots. And seems to have promised Al over the vet min

Seems like it would cost GSW both Moody and Buddy in order to backfill vet mins. Then you can give Al 5~ sign 6 vet mins (say 14 mil) and still have 26 for Giddey’s first year? All finger math..

Forgot about the Bulls' TPE. Dubs also have a fairly good sized one that can help make the math work fairly easily, but like you said they're better off unloading salary elsewhere in order to fill out their roster. I played around with it a bit on Spotrac with the Jazz. This would be a good use of the Collins TPE to acquire more assets in exchange for expiring deals; I still see them sticking with the "no future money" plan unless the returning assets are really good.

eminence · Post #1868 » by **eminence** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 12:08 am

jayjaysee wrote:
eminence wrote:
SkyHook wrote:Jake Fischer mentioned today interest from GSW in a double BYC sign-and-trade with Giddey and Kuminga. That would be a wild one to pull off.

Any idea on the mechanics of such a move?

Chicago has the TPE to make it work pretty easily (taking in Moody, or a third team’s player with Moody ending up there) but GSW also only has 25 mil under second apron (36 with Moody involved) and needs to fill 6 roster spots. And seems to have promised Al over the vet min

Seems like it would cost GSW both Moody and Buddy in order to backfill vet mins. Then you can give Al 5~ sign 6 vet mins (say 14 mil) and still have 26 for Giddey’s first year? All finger math..

Giddey pretty set on that 25M+ starting number?

If they could get him talked down a bit and find a way to keep Moody I'd really like it for them.

More neutral on it if they send out Moody/Buddy/Kuminga for him.

NYG · Post #1869 » by **NYG** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:50 am

I know cap wise it would take a lot more... but strictly on value, how far is both KAT and OG from Giannis? Would Milwaukee prefer to keep the vets or spin them off for picks?

mademan · Post #1870 » by **mademan** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:54 am

NYG wrote:I know cap wise it would take a lot more... but strictly on value, how far is both KAT and OG from Giannis? Would Milwaukee prefer to keep the vets or spin them off for picks?

I have OG probably closer to neutral value on his contract, and while I think KAT is underrated, he also definitely has a ceiling that limits teams. I dont see Milwaukee being interested in either player and i think it would be hard to find enough value from those 2 on the open market to send to the Bucks. And with no picks or young talent themselves, i just dont see how NY wins the Giannis sweepstakes, even if Giannis wants to go there

NYG · Post #1871 » by **NYG** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 1:56 am

mademan wrote:
NYG wrote:I know cap wise it would take a lot more... but strictly on value, how far is both KAT and OG from Giannis? Would Milwaukee prefer to keep the vets or spin them off for picks?

I have OG probably closer to neutral value on his contract, and while I think KAT is underrated, he also definitely has a ceiling that limits teams. I dont see Milwaukee being interested in either player and i think it would be hard to find enough value from those 2 on the open market to send to the Bucks. And with no picks or young talent themselves, i just dont see how NY wins the Giannis sweepstakes, even if Giannis wants to go there

Yeah, it's nearly impossible to find a way.

Post #1872 » by **zimpy27** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 2:44 am

Giddey is a nice fit for GSW, I really like that move for them.

Godaddycurse · Post #1873 » by **Godaddycurse** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 2:48 am

zimpy27 wrote:Giddey is a nice fit for GSW, I really like that move for them.

i hate it for chicago thoguh

babyjax13 · Post #1874 » by **babyjax13** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 3:56 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Giddey is a nice fit for GSW, I really like that move for them.

i hate it for chicago thoguh

Same. Maybe it is okay if they can also get rid of PWill as a part of the deal, but I'm not sure there is a third team willing to make that happen for assets GSW/CHI would put on the table.

daoneandonly · Post #1875 » by **daoneandonly** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 2:46 pm

People are still high on Giddey? I dont see why, what is he above average at on the court?

youngcrev · Post #1876 » by **youngcrev** » Fri Aug 8, 2025 3:02 pm

I have a hard time seeing Giddey as a fit next to Jimmy

Post #1877 » by **Mavrelous** » Sat Aug 9, 2025 4:47 pm

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SlimShady83 · Post #1878 » by **SlimShady83** » Mon Aug 11, 2025 7:09 pm

Some Laker fans seem to be mad about not trading Gabe/Vando? Lakernation/Trevor.

Watch on YouTube

Post #1879 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:30 pm

SlimShady83 wrote:Some Laker fans seem to be mad about not trading Gabe/Vando? Lakernation/Trevor.

Watch on YouTube

I mean there are no details on what it was for or what picks needed to be added. Not enough information to care either way.

I think Gabe should be close to neutral value since he's expiring, only $11m and is rotation level.
I think Vando is probably negative value because of injuries.

SlimShady83 · Post #1880 » by **SlimShady83** » Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:54 pm

zimpy27 wrote:I mean there are no details on what it was for or what picks needed to be added. Not enough information to care either way.

I think Gabe should be close to neutral value since he's expiring, only $11m and is rotation level.
I think Vando is probably negative value because of injuries.

I'm not ready to give up on Vando just, see how he goes this season.

As for Gabe surely we could get something for him? Without attaching anything?