Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Twinkie defense]

If Kuminga takes the QO at least that will leave more money for the players the Warriors want and who want to be here, like Horford and Melton. And it will make the wait worth it for them.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Lol, cam Thomas is seeking close to 40M per year...aka the full max.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Player option vs team option really doesn’t seem like jk is willing to bet on himself. It really shouldn’t matter in the end to him if hes betting on himself. He obviously is trying to secure that 2nd year.

I agree, but in some fantasy scenario I guess Kuminga could be thinking, when people see me play this season they're gonna want to give me a max contract, why should I have to play for $23 mil?

But then that doesn't explain why he was ok signing for Phoenix and Sacramento for less

Or jk thinks he'd put up mvp numbers on another team, so that 2nd year 22M is a severe underpay.

[Onus]

Player option vs team option really doesn’t seem like jk is willing to bet on himself. It really shouldn’t matter in the end to him if hes betting on himself. He obviously is trying to secure that 2nd year.

I agree, but in some fantasy scenario I guess Kuminga could be thinking, when people see me play this season they're gonna want to give me a max contract, why should I have to play for $23 mil?

But then that doesn't explain why he was ok signing for Phoenix and Sacramento for less

Jk’s starting salary next year would have to start at 36M for him to break even playing on the qo.

[Onus]

Lol, cam Thomas is seeking close to 40M per year...aka the full max.

That’s negotiating in bad faith. At least we’re close and only negotiating against a player option vs team option. I don’t think we budge and jk will either play on our deal or the qo.

[CS707]

Jonathan Kuminga Prefers $7.9M Qualifying Offer Over Warriors' Current Terms

Not surprising, but yuck. Looking more and more like we're going to have a disgruntled guy sitting the whole season on the bench and taking up ~$8M. Kerr didn't like him and didn't trust him before, I doubt he lets him see any meaningful time now. It's a bad look for the Warriors and a bad look for JK. If the Warriors are telling him they're going to trade him and he wants out that badly, why is he carping about being traded mid-season, or a 2nd year team option? On the other hand, why not just give him a second-year player option, or just a second year with no option? It's clear he's not going to want to stay anyway, it's clear the Warriors will do everything to trade him ASAP, and it doesn't seem like a deal-killer for a trade (presumably a team acquiring him is interested in him staying).

Jk is bluffing.

Player option vs team option really doesn’t seem like jk is willing to bet on himself. It really shouldn’t matter in the end to him if hes betting on himself. He obviously is trying to secure that 2nd year.

I just don’t get why we don’t want him back at any contract.

JK wants some control even if it seems marginal to you. He would be betting on himself with the QO and have some agency in regards to potential teams he would accept a trade to.

He’s not betting on himself. He’s betting on the Warriors to be a willing partner in providing him the opportunity to bet on himself next season. The organization isn’t going to sit him out of spite but they’re also not going to make any special effort to showcase him either like they would if he were tradeable. Taking the QO means he has to do exactly what Kerr asks AND produce in that role to get PT. He’d be smarter to take the money and the mutual investment it buys him from the organization.

[vvoland]

Not living in the states, I am not sure how your the 2nd person who says this. Its almost like people dont remember spreewell. Wasnt it him who said this? . I am not going to go look it up. Think it was spreewell the guy who choked the coach. Turned down his contract saying he needed more to feed his family. Thought people would get the reference , guess not and it offended people. Was not my intention, But go on think whatever you want.

Racism is offensive, plenty of good reasons as to why.

The fact that you don't live here doesn't make you not racist. It's weird how people from predominantly white places, use this as an argument. All I said is, you should be careful about what kind of tropes you fall for. You were not very careful and are now trying to deflect. Don't.

Perhaps spend a few minutes thinking about why it was JK that you confused as having multiple kids and not podz (another player that has made wild comments about his skillset). Or why you chose to analogize jk to spreewell, someone who was a poster child for felonious behavior with someone you've never seen or hear about doing anything inappropriate. The "I was just making a reference" part only indicates you haven't looked beyond the surface.

I do like jk, but less as a player and more as a potential player. My biggest gripe has been his various roles and his lack of development in his shooting. You have been reading this "for weeks" and decided to jump in from the top rope with "multiple kids" and "feeding his family." Just take a breath and try to understand how that looks.

I fail to see how I am comparing JK to Spreewell makes me a racist. I stated my location, because I stuggled to understand how anyone could not be seeing the comparison to spreewell. Think its an age thing and if you were a fan back then. Good job keeping the thread going with your admiration for JK. But your wrong about everything, as you are in your criticsim of me. Now I know why all the old posters are gone. The engagment is aggressive and offputing.

"Refusing all contract offers" turns out to be just one offer. An offer that every neutral observer I've heard has described it as some variation of "insulting." 2/45 with a team option and a waiving of the inherent NTC.

There was nothing aggressive about me telling you to be careful the tropes you fall for. Comparing jk to spreewell is neither racist nor the reason I called you out. It's reductive and wrong, but feel free to be either and/or both.

It's the "feeding his family" and "multiple kids" that made me say something. Jk is be a very flawed player, to be certain. Nothing in his 4 years here, or the 3 years he was a star at the HS/Ignite level, would indicate he would assault a coach or complain about feeding his family or have multiple kids (I'm assuming you meant out of wedlock). Every indication is that he's a great kid, with good values, and a family focus. Hate him as a player all you want, but when you go ad hominem, be careful of the narrative you put out there.

I'm certainly old enough to remember spreewell, which is precisely why this comparison falls so flat. Spree was a big personality, vocal leader, and had significant anger management issues. Multiple felonies, weird business ventures, bankruptcies, etc. The chokehold and "feeding my family" contract fiasco were ~10 years apart, interceded by multiple controversial incidents. Find one such situation for JK and I'll rethink my criticism. When you can't, try and imagine what spreewell would look like if he was the top prospect in HS, grew up in the social media era, had a mic in his face since 15, and signed a 30m deal before turning 18.

P.S. You seem to imply that the old posters left because someone had the gall to challenge their assumptions or narratives. If that's true and asking ,calmly and politely, to be mindful of what they say and why, made them leave, GREAT. The board is better for it. I hope you'll engage further in these discussions, whether about JK, Kerr, or the general level of discourse here. I can't speak for what is offputting for you but there was nothing aggressive in my original response.

[vvoland]

Lol, cam Thomas is seeking close to 40M per year...aka the full max.

That’s negotiating in bad faith. At least we’re close and only negotiating against a player option vs team option. I don’t think we budge and jk will either play on our deal or the qo.

Cam Thomas plays in bad faith, not just negotiates.

I know I've been JK's attorney, agent, and PR at various points in this thread but it's the fact that all other RFAs aren't particularly close to signing that makes me feel much better about where we are with jk.

I can't imagine he'll play on the QO (unlike Cam, who might) and it's looking more and more like it'll just be a straight 2/45. 8 weeks ago, we'd all be thrilled for him to sign that and, had it been offered then, he very well might have.

[DonaldSanders]

He’s not betting on himself. He’s betting on the Warriors to be a willing partner in providing him the opportunity to bet on himself next season. The organization isn’t going to sit him out of spite but they’re also not going to make any special effort to showcase him either like they would if he were tradeable. Taking the QO means he has to do exactly what Kerr asks AND produce in that role to get PT. He’d be smarter to take the money and the mutual investment it buys him from the organization.

Yup. The QO scenario is the worst case for both parties. If JK wants some control, he'll completely lose control for a year in exchange for 1 year earlier control, which comes with around 15 million less guaranteed. I think both will continue some negotiating, and in the end it'll be a 1+1 with team control, but the Warriors will partially guarantee a bunch in the2nd year while retaining bird rights for the team swapping.

[Onus]

Lol, cam Thomas is seeking close to 40M per year...aka the full max.

That’s negotiating in bad faith. At least we’re close and only negotiating against a player option vs team option. I don’t think we budge and jk will either play on our deal or the qo.

Cam Thomas plays in bad faith, not just negotiates.

I know I've been JK's attorney, agent, and PR at various points in this thread but it's the fact that all other RFAs aren't particularly close to signing that makes me feel much better about where we are with jk.

I can't imagine he'll play on the QO (unlike Cam, who might) and it's looking more and more like it'll just be a straight 2/45. 8 weeks ago, we'd all be thrilled for him to sign that and, had it been offered then, he very well might have.

I doubt we cave and guarantee that 2nd year just like I doubt jk takes the qo. Maybe they agree to part of the 2nd year being guaranteed, but I can’t imagine us guaranteeing the whole year. I kind of doubt we concede the partial.

TBH we’re being quite generous in that we beat out all the offers in the 1st year. Maybe they give him a little more money this year to get the deal done.

If jk was really betting on himself he’d take our deal and expect to get paid even more next year. But he’s unwilling to bet on himself and wants that security of that 2nd year when there’s likely much more money available 2 years from now.

At least we’re close to a deal unlike cam Thomas being delusional. Seems like jk is somewhat realizing his value and is more concerned about next year than being unreasonable. His agent canvassed the whole league and should have a really good grasp at what his value is. I think he’s more scared that the team he gets traded to doesn’t pick up that 2nd year option tbh. Having to sign a long term deal next year when there’s likely not a lot of salary cap open means he might have to sign a mle and really he wants to be a free agent in 2 years so he wouldn’t want to sign a long term deal but he may only get offers for long term deals at the mle. This is why the 2nd year is the sticking point and not the amount of money, and why jk won’t sign the qo.

[BayAreaDub]

Either JK’s agent is an idiot or I’m missing something. Nets will be the only team that can offer him anything significant again next year. Everyone else is capped up from what I can tell.

So please explain to me how QO is a better deal than a 1+1 with significantly more money? Hint, it’s not.

This man cannot bet on himself when Kerr controls the rotations. Plus health wise, anything can happen.

Get traded who cares this makes no sense at all from JK’s standpoint. He’s being let down.

[vvoland]

That’s negotiating in bad faith. At least we’re close and only negotiating against a player option vs team option. I don’t think we budge and jk will either play on our deal or the qo.

Cam Thomas plays in bad faith, not just negotiates.

I know I've been JK's attorney, agent, and PR at various points in this thread but it's the fact that all other RFAs aren't particularly close to signing that makes me feel much better about where we are with jk.

I can't imagine he'll play on the QO (unlike Cam, who might) and it's looking more and more like it'll just be a straight 2/45. 8 weeks ago, we'd all be thrilled for him to sign that and, had it been offered then, he very well might have.

I doubt we cave and guarantee that 2nd year just like I doubt jk takes the qo. Maybe they agree to part of the 2nd year being guaranteed, but I can’t imagine us guaranteeing the whole year. I kind of doubt we concede the partial.

TBH we’re being quite generous in that we beat out all the offers in the 1st year. Maybe they give him a little more money this year to get the deal done.

If jk was really betting on himself he’d take our deal and expect to get paid even more next year. But he’s unwilling to bet on himself and wants that security of that 2nd year when there’s likely much more money available 2 years from now.

At least we’re close to a deal unlike cam Thomas being delusional. Seems like jk is somewhat realizing his value and is more concerned about next year than being unreasonable. His agent canvassed the whole league and should have a really good grasp at what his value is. I think he’s more scared that the team he gets traded to doesn’t pick up that 2nd year option tbh. Having to sign a long term deal next year when there’s likely not a lot of salary cap open means he might have to sign a mle and really he wants to be a free agent in 2 years so he wouldn’t want to sign a long term deal but he may only get offers for long term deals at the mle. This is why the 2nd year is the sticking point and not the amount of money, and why jk won’t sign the qo.

You really think JK holding out for a guaranteed second year, player option, or keeping the NTC is unreasonable?

[Crazy-Canuck]

Either JK’s agent is an idiot or I’m missing something. Nets will be the only team that can offer him anything significant again next year. Everyone else is capped up from what I can tell.

So please explain to me how QO is a better deal than a 1+1 with significantly more money? Hint, it’s not.

This man cannot bet on himself when Kerr controls the rotations. Plus health wise, anything can happen.

Get traded who cares this makes no sense at all from JK’s standpoint. He’s being let down.

Jk has a different set of priorities. He's jaded right now.

He wants to control that second year. He wants to go to a team that will guarantee him a starting role and minutes. That's what he wants.

A second year? He might be sent to another situation not in his favour.

So, him taking the qo offer is a gamble. Its dumb. But its his choice. He is only looking out for himself.

He thinks hes earned something.

[statsman]

Nets will be the only team that can offer him anything significant again next year. Everyone else is capped up from what I can tell.

Have you or someone else run the numbers, or is this a guess? Obviously, teams may be able to clear cap space next offseason that don't appear to have it now. Hard to say.

But I did read earlier today that the expectation is for the 2027 offseason to have quite a bit of free agent activity, with a lot of teams preparing to have cap space. So, maybe there's some truth to teams being locked up this offseason and planning to be in 2026.

[Old_Blue]

Not living in the states, I am not sure how your the 2nd person who says this. Its almost like people dont remember spreewell. Wasnt it him who said this? . I am not going to go look it up. Think it was spreewell the guy who choked the coach. Turned down his contract saying he needed more to feed his family. Thought people would get the reference , guess not and it offended people. Was not my intention, But go on think whatever you want.

Racism is offensive, plenty of good reasons as to why.

The fact that you don't live here doesn't make you not racist. It's weird how people from predominantly white places, use this as an argument. All I said is, you should be careful about what kind of tropes you fall for. You were not very careful and are now trying to deflect. Don't.

I fail to see how I am comparing JK to Spreewell makes me a racist. I stated my location, because I stuggled to understand how anyone could not be seeing the comparison to spreewell. Think its an age thing and if you were a fan back then. Good job keeping the thread going with your admiration for JK. But your wrong about everything, as you are in your criticsim of me. Now I know why all the old posters are gone. The engagment is aggressive and offputing.

Don't mind vvoland. For some reason, he likes to call people racist. Nobody here is racist though. We just don't like Kuminga.

[whatisacenter]

Jk is bluffing.

Player option vs team option really doesn’t seem like jk is willing to bet on himself. It really shouldn’t matter in the end to him if hes betting on himself. He obviously is trying to secure that 2nd year.

I just don’t get why we don’t want him back at any contract.

JK wants some control even if it seems marginal to you. He would be betting on himself with the QO and have some agency in regards to potential teams he would accept a trade to.

He’s not betting on himself. He’s betting on the Warriors to be a willing partner in providing him the opportunity to bet on himself next season. The organization isn’t going to sit him out of spite but they’re also not going to make any special effort to showcase him either like they would if he were tradeable. Taking the QO means he has to do exactly what Kerr asks AND produce in that role to get PT. He’d be smarter to take the money and the mutual investment it buys him from the organization.

Fine, change the team option to a player option and he would probably sign.

[vvoland]

Racism is offensive, plenty of good reasons as to why.

The fact that you don't live here doesn't make you not racist. It's weird how people from predominantly white places, use this as an argument. All I said is, you should be careful about what kind of tropes you fall for. You were not very careful and are now trying to deflect. Don't.

I fail to see how I am comparing JK to Spreewell makes me a racist. I stated my location, because I stuggled to understand how anyone could not be seeing the comparison to spreewell. Think its an age thing and if you were a fan back then. Good job keeping the thread going with your admiration for JK. But your wrong about everything, as you are in your criticsim of me. Now I know why all the old posters are gone. The engagment is aggressive and offputing.

Don't mind vvoland. For some reason, he likes to call people racist. Nobody here is racist though. We just don't like Kuminga.

You've contributed nothing of any substance in months. Keep trolling

[SpreeS]

Either JK’s agent is an idiot or I’m missing something. Nets will be the only team that can offer him anything significant again next year. Everyone else is capped up from what I can tell.

So please explain to me how QO is a better deal than a 1+1 with significantly more money? Hint, it’s not.

This man cannot bet on himself when Kerr controls the rotations. Plus health wise, anything can happen.

Get traded who cares this makes no sense at all from JK’s standpoint. He’s being let down.

Jk has a different set of priorities. He's jaded right now.

He wants to control that second year. He wants to go to a team that will guarantee him a starting role and minutes. That's what he wants.

A second year? He might be sent to another situation not in his favour.

So, him taking the qo offer is a gamble. Its dumb. But its his choice. He is only looking out for himself.

He thinks hes earned something.

There are a lot of right things in your post, but it's not dumb decision by Kuminga to take QO. The most important thing for Kuminga is palying time and role on new team. I think he even would accept less money/years with new contract to have possibility to earn better contract in the future. It's a gamble but he thinks about two step forward, not one.

[wco81]

Nets will be the only team that can offer him anything significant again next year. Everyone else is capped up from what I can tell.

Have you or someone else run the numbers, or is this a guess? Obviously, teams may be able to clear cap space next offseason that don't appear to have it now. Hard to say.

But I did read earlier today that the expectation is for the 2027 offseason to have quite a bit of free agent activity, with a lot of teams preparing to have cap space. So, maybe there's some truth to teams being locked up this offseason and planning to be in 2026.

Lakers fans believe they can get Giannis or Jokic in the summer of 2027. That is when the Lakers plan to have a super max slot in their cap space, after extending Luca.

[Onus]

Cam Thomas plays in bad faith, not just negotiates.

I know I've been JK's attorney, agent, and PR at various points in this thread but it's the fact that all other RFAs aren't particularly close to signing that makes me feel much better about where we are with jk.

I can't imagine he'll play on the QO (unlike Cam, who might) and it's looking more and more like it'll just be a straight 2/45. 8 weeks ago, we'd all be thrilled for him to sign that and, had it been offered then, he very well might have.

I doubt we cave and guarantee that 2nd year just like I doubt jk takes the qo. Maybe they agree to part of the 2nd year being guaranteed, but I can’t imagine us guaranteeing the whole year. I kind of doubt we concede the partial.

TBH we’re being quite generous in that we beat out all the offers in the 1st year. Maybe they give him a little more money this year to get the deal done.

If jk was really betting on himself he’d take our deal and expect to get paid even more next year. But he’s unwilling to bet on himself and wants that security of that 2nd year when there’s likely much more money available 2 years from now.

At least we’re close to a deal unlike cam Thomas being delusional. Seems like jk is somewhat realizing his value and is more concerned about next year than being unreasonable. His agent canvassed the whole league and should have a really good grasp at what his value is. I think he’s more scared that the team he gets traded to doesn’t pick up that 2nd year option tbh. Having to sign a long term deal next year when there’s likely not a lot of salary cap open means he might have to sign a mle and really he wants to be a free agent in 2 years so he wouldn’t want to sign a long term deal but he may only get offers for long term deals at the mle. This is why the 2nd year is the sticking point and not the amount of money, and why jk won’t sign the qo.

You really think JK holding out for a guaranteed second year, player option, or keeping the NTC is unreasonable?

I said he’s not being unreasonable.