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Post#41 » by arich35 » Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:23 pm

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Harry Palmer wrote:Can’t think of a position group I feel better about after that, maybe ST. Our tackle situation is dire…when Trent goes down, we have no legit OT to replace him. Purdy’s gonna get hurt and/or start seeing ghosts. Our rookies look meh, the most impressive guys have been the unsung 2nd/3rd year projects. Our schedule is soft as luxury toilet paper, but other than that and Saleh being back I can’t think of anything that says we’re better than last year. Even CMC doesn’t look like CMC.


We haven't even seen CMC yet lol.

Also how many teams can say they lose their all-pro LT and still be good at the position?


Chargers

They just lost Slater and will slide Joe Alt in his place


But that hurts them at RT. Their line won't be the same or nearly as good. We also have no idea how good Joe Alt will be at LT at the NFL level
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Post#42 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:26 pm

Now Jordan Watkins is out with a high ankle sprain. Can't keep WRs on the field....
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Post#43 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:31 pm

Pattersonca65 wrote:PFF scores and stats from the game

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/193053-49ers-broncos-grades-worst-counts/


Re: the PFF scores, it's not necessarily scientific, but Jarrett Kingston had a 79 PFF score for the Panthers this weekend, after playing well in the preseason last year. Nick Zakelj, who we kept over Kingston, had a 44.5 score. Don't want to read too much into a small sample size in a preseason game against different caliber opponents (Zakelj started against a good Broncos start and Kingston may have been third string against the Browns), but not super encouraging by Zakelj....
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Post#44 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Aug 11, 2025 9:34 pm

In some good news, Andre Dillard practiced today. We absolutely need him to lock down the swing OT job after Burford and Pleasants both **** the bed. Word is Cowing may be close to returning, too.
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Post#45 » by CrimsonCrew » Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:50 pm

In terms of the game, people at getting a little hysterical about the final score. Overall, I thought the game was pretty encouraging. Our mostly second-string D more than held their own against a pretty good Broncos offense. Granted we blitzed a lot for a preseason game, but if anyone should be ready to play against the blitz in the preseason, it should be Sean Payton. I was really disappointed with the QB play after Jones went out, mostly because it prevented us from getting a good look at offensive players at the back of the roster.

In terms of encouraging developments, I thought CJ West played well. Kalia Davis seemed a bit more up-and-down to me, but I thought he finally showed some things at least. I liked what I saw from Flowers, I didn't really notice Tre Brown much, but PFF had him as our highest-ranked player, and Chase Lucas had several great plays. Sigel looks like he could be legit. On the offense, Watkins showed some things that he's shown in practice, though he also had a couple bad plays and is injured down. Kiner ran hard.

Flip side was, some negatives, too. Alfred Collins was blown off the call a couple times, which was surprising. He's just got to play lower. I know he's not going to win as a pass-rusher yet, but he's got to be able to anchor in the run game at a minimum. Martin missed soooooo many tackles. I'm not freaking out about it, because it's not something he struggled with in college, and he missed a bunch of time with injury, so he may just have to re-acclimate to live play. He also was in position to miss a few tackles because of good instincts and speed where other players wouldn't have even been in the picture. So there's something to work with, but he's a long way off as of now. Beal didn't look great to me. Repeatedly seemed to lose contain, wasn't getting much done as a pass rusher.

On offense, between the OTs and backup QBs, you just couldn't really evaluate much of anything after the first two drives. I feel bad for any WRs fighting for a roster spot, though presumably the film shows if they were getting open. We really need Dillard to pan out or we're in deep doodoo if/when Trent goes down. If I were McKivitz, I would be holding in as of today. I also really, REALLY don't like what appeared to be Kyle calling the same protection that got Purdy injured in the NFCCG against speed rusher Nik Bonnitto. Please do not ask a pulling TE to block an elite edge rusher ever again.
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Post#46 » by wco81 » Tue Aug 12, 2025 1:07 am

Not sure what their source is but BA not expected back until at least Week 6.

Brandon Aiyuk continues his recovery from a torn ACL suffered during the 2024 season, but he is not expected back before Week 6.

Aiyuk caught 25 balls for 374 yards last season before suffering his injury in Week 7 against the Kansas City Chiefs.


https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/53159/Brandon-Aiyuk-Not-Expected-Back-From-ACL-Before-Week-6
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Post#48 » by Jikkle » Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:40 am

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They clearly need to overhaul something with their training staff because that's a pretty consistent pattern and that shows something is up in how we're preparing guys.

Especially with the amount of soft tissue injuries this team has which are injuries I pin on the training staff and/or the player. Not to mention players tend to struggle to get back onto the field after being injured.

I mean yeah a decent chunk of injuries are just plain bad luck. If your knee bends in a direction it's not supposed to and explodes that's just bad luck but ideally if your training staff is doing it's job those injury numbers should be on the lower end with occasional spikes upward due to bad luck.
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Post#49 » by Jikkle » Tue Aug 12, 2025 9:51 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:In terms of the game, people at getting a little hysterical about the final score. Overall, I thought the game was pretty encouraging. Our mostly second-string D more than held their own against a pretty good Broncos offense. Granted we blitzed a lot for a preseason game, but if anyone should be ready to play against the blitz in the preseason, it should be Sean Payton. I was really disappointed with the QB play after Jones went out, mostly because it prevented us from getting a good look at offensive players at the back of the roster.

In terms of encouraging developments, I thought CJ West played well. Kalia Davis seemed a bit more up-and-down to me, but I thought he finally showed some things at least. I liked what I saw from Flowers, I didn't really notice Tre Brown much, but PFF had him as our highest-ranked player, and Chase Lucas had several great plays. Sigel looks like he could be legit. On the offense, Watkins showed some things that he's shown in practice, though he also had a couple bad plays and is injured down. Kiner ran hard.

Flip side was, some negatives, too. Alfred Collins was blown off the call a couple times, which was surprising. He's just got to play lower. I know he's not going to win as a pass-rusher yet, but he's got to be able to anchor in the run game at a minimum. Martin missed soooooo many tackles. I'm not freaking out about it, because it's not something he struggled with in college, and he missed a bunch of time with injury, so he may just have to re-acclimate to live play. He also was in position to miss a few tackles because of good instincts and speed where other players wouldn't have even been in the picture. So there's something to work with, but he's a long way off as of now. Beal didn't look great to me. Repeatedly seemed to lose contain, wasn't getting much done as a pass rusher.

On offense, between the OTs and backup QBs, you just couldn't really evaluate much of anything after the first two drives. I feel bad for any WRs fighting for a roster spot, though presumably the film shows if they were getting open. We really need Dillard to pan out or we're in deep doodoo if/when Trent goes down. If I were McKivitz, I would be holding in as of today. I also really, REALLY don't like what appeared to be Kyle calling the same protection that got Purdy injured in the NFCCG against speed rusher Nik Bonnitto. Please do not ask a pulling TE to block an elite edge rusher ever again.


To be fair I'm pretty sure it was Kubiak calling plays this game but on the flip side a play that calls for a TE to pull to block a pass rusher shouldn't be in the playbook to call in the first place.

But overall I pretty much agree with your take and judging how our season is going to go based on the preseason is a fool's errand.

I actually came away more encouraged because how our 2nd team defense looked against their 1st team offense as defense is going to be the biggest question mark going into the season.

Some guys flashed and some guys like Nick Martin just need to be coached up but should be fine. I didn't see anything that caused me to worry at the moment.

Offensively it'll be basically what we expect in that the offense will be as good as usual but still has the same concerns with a paper thin offensive line that could collapse at any moment.

With the injuries on offense combined with a young D that will need time to gel I wouldn't be shocked if the team started off slow and looked clunky out there the first couple of games.

I still stand by my predicition that as long as injuries aren't a huge factor the team will start slow but finish strong this season.
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Post#50 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Aug 12, 2025 4:35 pm

wco81 wrote:Not sure what their source is but BA not expected back until at least Week 6.

Brandon Aiyuk continues his recovery from a torn ACL suffered during the 2024 season, but he is not expected back before Week 6.

Aiyuk caught 25 balls for 374 yards last season before suffering his injury in Week 7 against the Kansas City Chiefs.


https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/53159/Brandon-Aiyuk-Not-Expected-Back-From-ACL-Before-Week-6


I think that was always the best case. One year for an injury like that (not just the ACL, but basically everything in and around the knee) is to be expected.
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Post#51 » by Harry Palmer » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:07 pm

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wco81 wrote:Not sure what their source is but BA not expected back until at least Week 6.

Brandon Aiyuk continues his recovery from a torn ACL suffered during the 2024 season, but he is not expected back before Week 6.

Aiyuk caught 25 balls for 374 yards last season before suffering his injury in Week 7 against the Kansas City Chiefs.


https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/53159/Brandon-Aiyuk-Not-Expected-Back-From-ACL-Before-Week-6


I think that was always the best case. One year for an injury like that (not just the ACL, but basically everything in and around the knee) is to be expected.



Agreed, but a lot of 49er adjacent voices had been talking more optimistically. I feel the Niners are terrible at managing information and expectations re: injuries. Like a lot of teams use meaningless language until they know, but it feels like the Niners go further and longer with that ****. Other than the drafting OL thing (and corresponding ~ indifference to qb injuries) it’s the thing that pisses me off the most about the team.

I should mention I like what Sigle’s put on film so far…his scouting reports always confused me, seeming to stress his being a box-only guy and lacking speed but his 40 is fast and he plays fast imo.
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Post#52 » by zman1 » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:08 pm

"I actually came away more encouraged because how our 2nd team defense looked against their 1st team offense as defense is going to be the biggest question mark going into the season."

Also, our second string offense beat their elite first string D. Overall encouraging.

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Post#53 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Aug 12, 2025 5:45 pm

Re: injuries, I agree something is going on with this team. It's just too consistent to chalk it up to luck. Sure, they're a somewhat older team, but it's not like the young guys have stayed healthy.

Having said that, I think most fitness experts these days would agree that dynamic stretching before exercise and static stretching after exercise is the preferred approach. Static stretching before exercise has been linked to more injury and reduced performance, though I don't know that the studies have looked at elite athletes.
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Post#54 » by wco81 » Tue Aug 12, 2025 6:09 pm

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wco81 wrote:Not sure what their source is but BA not expected back until at least Week 6.

Brandon Aiyuk continues his recovery from a torn ACL suffered during the 2024 season, but he is not expected back before Week 6.

Aiyuk caught 25 balls for 374 yards last season before suffering his injury in Week 7 against the Kansas City Chiefs.


https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/53159/Brandon-Aiyuk-Not-Expected-Back-From-ACL-Before-Week-6


I think that was always the best case. One year for an injury like that (not just the ACL, but basically everything in and around the knee) is to be expected.


I think one year Adrian Peterson came back in less than a year.

I recall Jerry Rice returned within a year but got injured again. I don't remember if it was within the same year but when I Google, apparently he ripped his ACL in week 1 and returned in week 16 but then broke the patella in the same knee. Again I didn't realize this was within the same NFL year but apparently it was.

Supposedly Rice has been advising players like Peterson and Aiyuk to take time rehabbing.
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Post#55 » by clyde21 » Tue Aug 12, 2025 8:16 pm

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Post#58 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:18 pm

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wco81 wrote:Not sure what their source is but BA not expected back until at least Week 6.



https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/53159/Brandon-Aiyuk-Not-Expected-Back-From-ACL-Before-Week-6


I think that was always the best case. One year for an injury like that (not just the ACL, but basically everything in and around the knee) is to be expected.


I think one year Adrian Peterson came back in less than a year.

I recall Jerry Rice returned within a year but got injured again. I don't remember if it was within the same year but when I Google, apparently he ripped his ACL in week 1 and returned in week 16 but then broke the patella in the same knee. Again I didn't realize this was within the same NFL year but apparently it was.

Supposedly Rice has been advising players like Peterson and Aiyuk to take time rehabbing.


A basic ACL tear is usually around 9 months. But Aiyuk did ACL and MCL. Good chance there was some meniscus damage, etc. It's a worse injury and requires more recovery time.
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Post#59 » by CrimsonCrew » Tue Aug 12, 2025 11:20 pm

CrimsonCrew wrote:Re: injuries, I agree something is going on with this team. It's just too consistent to chalk it up to luck. Sure, they're a somewhat older team, but it's not like the young guys have stayed healthy.

Having said that, I think most fitness experts these days would agree that dynamic stretching before exercise and static stretching after exercise is the preferred approach. Static stretching before exercise has been linked to more injury and reduced performance, though I don't know that the studies have looked at elite athletes.


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we really need to do a deep investigation into this **** happening every year man, is it the practice field? is it the training staff? is it diet or routine? is it a Levi's curse? **** is going on?


I may never get over Greenlaw's torn Achilles from hopping to run on the field in the SB. It was fairly early, but I don't see how we lose that game if he's healthy. He was dominating Kelce. Though I do attribute that one to the NFL making the Niners practice on a ****, too-soft field. One of about eight factors that conspired to cost us a SB we should have won handily. One of the coaches also had a phantom Achilles tear.

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